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Who else caught the premiere of "Cosmos"?

lauscholauscho Member Posts: 79 Arc User
edited March 2014 in Ten Forward
Nice little show. I mean I've honestly seen more informative documentaries on the topic, but the fact that a show like this is on Fox, hosted by the likes of Neil DeGrasse Tyson, and offers a deep, but concise, look at the nature of the universe... it's something I really appreciate and I'm gonna be a number one pusher of this show. I can't get behind it enough.

And the tribute to Sagan was beautiful.
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  • starkaosstarkaos Member Posts: 11,556 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    So does the connection to Seth McFarlane have any noticeable effect like what you expect from the creator of Family Guy or does he keep it professional and serious?
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  • grandnaguszek1grandnaguszek1 Member Posts: 2,188 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    I wonder if Rupert Murdock was opposed to the idea? It wouldn't surprise me but just remember Luke's words of wisdom.

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  • lauscholauscho Member Posts: 79 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    starkaos wrote: »
    So does the connection to Seth McFarlane have any noticeable effect like what you expect from the creator of Family Guy or does he keep it professional and serious?

    It's true to the spirit of the original. :)
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  • mightybobcncmightybobcnc Member Posts: 3,354 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    This is all the Cosmos I need right here:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZP7K9SycELA
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    Nitpicking is a time-honored tradition of science fiction. Asking your readers not to worry about the "little things" is like asking a dog not to sniff at people's crotches. If there's something that appears to violate natural laws, then you can expect someone's going to point it out. That's just the way things are.
  • timelords1701timelords1701 Member Posts: 556 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    As long as it has no involvement by scientologists, i may be interested when it becomes available to watch here, but if they mention anything to do with hubbard and his band of cronies, the switch will flick pretty damn fast... :rolleyes:
  • bubblygumsworthbubblygumsworth Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    mightybobcnc wrote: »
    This is all the Cosmos I need right here:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZP7K9SycELA


    Yes! Yes! And a Yes! Degrasse Tyson can go suck it.
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  • idronaidrona Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    Not sure.. 4 minutes intro, too much lensflare and Neil deGrasse Tyson didn't impress tbh. But I'll still watch it. :D


    Guess I'm spoiled with this..
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  • tacofangstacofangs Member Posts: 2,951 Cryptic Developer
    edited March 2014
    I've got it recorded. Hoping to watch tonight. Glad to hear so many saying such good things about it's premiere.
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  • psiameesepsiameese Member Posts: 1,650 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    I've been guarded but hopeful that it interprets well. And that it engages interest in science in the way Sagan did before. I want to see more people inspired to enter science fields again.
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  • cptjhuntercptjhunter Member Posts: 2,288 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    I watched the later run of "The Walking Dead" to see it.

    Compared to the Tripe, that TLC is airing as "Educational" it is a step in the right direction.

    My faith in humanity is somewhat restored.
  • seannewboyseannewboy Member Posts: 667 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    tacofangs wrote: »
    I've got it recorded. Hoping to watch tonight. Glad to hear so many saying such good things about it's premiere.
    Same here.
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  • iconiansiconians Member Posts: 6,987 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    Watched it, thoroughly enjoyed it. Equally blended style with substance. It will never replace Carl Sagan's Cosmos, but it's a worthy successor to it.

    Being stuck to Carl Sagan without being willing to see what NDT is cooking up, is the antithesis to what Carl Sagan was all about.

    Question everything, and don't get stuck in the past. Always look to the future, and if there's a crazy theory that goes against your beliefs, question it if anything else to disprove it -- but do so objectively.

    I had my doubts about the new show, but I was willing to give it a looksie to see if my skepticism was correct.

    It wasn't.

    And for that, I'm glad I was wrong.
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  • skyywalk3rskyywalk3r Member Posts: 31 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    tacofangs wrote: »
    I've got it recorded. Hoping to watch tonight. Glad to hear so many saying such good things about it's premiere.

    Taco,

    I really enjoyed it. You should set your DVR to record the series. I hope the series stirs up a few ideas in the DEVS head the could translate to STO :)
  • iconiansiconians Member Posts: 6,987 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    skyywalk3r wrote: »
    Taco,

    I really enjoyed it. You should set your DVR to record the series. I hope the series stirs up a few ideas in the DEVS head the could translate to STO :)

    What is Cryptic's beef with the spaceship of the imagination? It needs 5 Commander Tactical Boff slots or it's fail.
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  • skyywalk3rskyywalk3r Member Posts: 31 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    iconians wrote: »
    What is Cryptic's beef with the spaceship of the imagination? It needs 5 Commander Tactical Boff slots or it's fail.

    HA!!!!!!!!!!!! Nerfed it:D
  • skyywalk3rskyywalk3r Member Posts: 31 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    Will we see a Tier 5 Spaceship of the imagination in season 9 :confused:
  • iconiansiconians Member Posts: 6,987 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    skyywalk3r wrote: »
    Will we see a Tier 5 Spaceship of the imagination in season 9 :confused:

    With Attack Pattern Sagan.

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  • mightybobcncmightybobcnc Member Posts: 3,354 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    If we get a ship of the imagination then I demand that the meat planet be made into a social zone.
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    Finger wrote:
    Nitpicking is a time-honored tradition of science fiction. Asking your readers not to worry about the "little things" is like asking a dog not to sniff at people's crotches. If there's something that appears to violate natural laws, then you can expect someone's going to point it out. That's just the way things are.
  • starkaosstarkaos Member Posts: 11,556 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    cptjhunter wrote: »
    I watched the later run of "The Walking Dead" to see it.

    Compared to the Tripe, that TLC is airing as "Educational" it is a step in the right direction.

    My faith in humanity is somewhat restored.

    I have lost all respect for TLC since it is supposed to be The Learning Travel and a rival to Discovery.

    Cosmos was excellent.
  • kirksplatkirksplat Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    I enjoyed it, but I was a little underwhelmed by a few things. Maybe it didn't help that I rewatched the first episode of the original, and it kind of made me miss Sagan.

    I have to say though, the animated history section was full of outdated stuff. Bruno was burned at the stake for denying the divinity of Christ, and the show made him into a martyr of science for his related beliefs that he was not burned for. The accusation of "other worlds" in the trial was completely made up, as far as I know. The only charge against him that had anything really to do with the plurality of worlds was his belief in infinity. That was a crazy idea, even for Galileo and Kepler.

    Wiki: Bruno was tried for heresy by the Roman Inquisition on charges including denial of the Trinity, denial of the divinity of Christ, denial of virginity of Mary, and denial of Transubstantiation.

    He wasn't burned for being a futuristic scientist. This is mostly a myth of outdated Whig history. It's like Braga didn't even interview a post-Sagan historian.

    This inaccuracy made me sad. Sure, it is to be expected with people like Sagan in 1980. But this is 2014. At least they could have read the wikipedia page which is edited by many historians.

    Maybe just the mention of Braga put me in a skeptical state. +5 for entertainment, -10 for bad history.
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  • iconiansiconians Member Posts: 6,987 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    kirksplat wrote: »
    Braga

    Some of the outdated stuff bothered me as well. I also understand that Cosmos has a time limit on it, but I think NDT could have gone into further detail on some of the segments. That said, I think the show is a fair compromise for helping us rid of the anti-intellectual counterculture we have these days.

    But yeah. When I saw his name in the billing I rolled my eyes. Hard. But I guess maybe he can work on his penitence with this show.
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  • tacofangstacofangs Member Posts: 2,951 Cryptic Developer
    edited March 2014
    Just watched it. Very good. Can't wait for next week.
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  • lilchibiclarililchibiclari Member Posts: 1,193 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    kirksplat wrote: »
    I have to say though, the animated history section was full of outdated stuff. Bruno was burned at the stake for denying the divinity of Christ, and the show made him into a martyr of science for his related beliefs that he was not burned for. The accusation of "other worlds" in the trial was completely made up, as far as I know. The only charge against him that had anything really to do with the plurality of worlds was his belief in infinity. That was a crazy idea, even for Galileo and Kepler.

    It pretty much wasn't until Newton and Leibnitz invented calculus that even the abstract mathematical concept of infinity was taken seriously, so the statement that anything physical could be infinite was even harder for people to accept.

    The universe as we currently understand it may not be literally infinite, but unless we can achieve and sustain at least Warp 9, intergalactic travel is a complete non-starter, so the distinction is mainly useful only for cosmological purposes.
  • starkaosstarkaos Member Posts: 11,556 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    The idea that there were multiple worlds similar to Earth was not a common idea back in the 16th Century. So while it looks like Cosmos got the animated history wrong, wikipedia is hardly the most reliable source for information. Post-secondary teachers hate students using wikipedia as a reference. Although which version of history is correct is debatable since history can easily be rewritten especially in the case of some dead person's life. This link seems to give a more accurate view of Bruno's life and someone that seemed to have done more for Astronomy than Bruno did in that era.
  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,236 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    kirksplat wrote: »
    I have to say though, the animated history section was full of outdated stuff.
    I expected this. :( "Science" focused shows rarely deliver good quality information these days. It's usually filtered and reprocessed like baby food....

    Bleah. It's sad when shows like "How it's made" and Mythbusters(which are both awesome) are more informative than stuff that's supposed to be informative.
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  • kirksplatkirksplat Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    starkaos wrote: »
    The idea that there were multiple worlds similar to Earth was not a common idea back in the 16th Century. So while it looks like Cosmos got the animated history wrong, wikipedia is hardly the most reliable source for information. Post-secondary teachers hate students using wikipedia as a reference. Although which version of history is correct is debatable since history can easily be rewritten especially in the case of some dead person's life. This link seems to give a more accurate view of Bruno's life and someone that seemed to have done more for Astronomy than Bruno did in that era.

    Actually, most of wikipedia is correct now, due to historians of science being geeks who know how to edit the thing. I will check out your link.
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  • lilchibiclarililchibiclari Member Posts: 1,193 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    From a bigger Roman Catholic theological perspective, the existence of other inhabited worlds throws a wrench into the whole "Fall of Man" paradigm. Basically, if there exist people who are not descended from Adam, then one of four scenarios must be true:

    1: The aliens never had a Fall and have no need of salvation

    2: The aliens have Fallen, but without Christ they have no hope for salvation (i.e. Christ died not for them)

    3: God has a separate salvation planned for them (e.g. Christ lived and died on their world as well as ours)

    4: Christ came to the children of Adam (i.e. us), and it is our duty to spread the Word to all of the other worlds so that they too may be saved.

    Thus, from the perspective of a theologian of Bruno's era, proposing the existence of extra-terrestrial sapients calls into question the relationship between God and Man. If God so loved Man that He sent His Son to die for us, then Man must be special among all Creation, so a worldview that reduces Man to relative insignificance flies in the face of the very foundation of the Church.
  • galadimangaladiman Member Posts: 346 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    You're right, (I think), lilchibiclari. I think that was the crux of the animated section, though I suspect many of you are right that it was likely wrong.

    But the point that belief in a non-Earth-centric Universe poses some extreme threats to religious doctrine as told in the Bible, and other religious texts, makes the torture of that guy (among many others) by the various churches (Catholic et al), likely a direct product of all that 'dangerous science-talk'.

    And given the current trends of the status of Politics, religion, and science in this country (USA), I think Cosmos has come along at just the right time, hopefully not too late.

    I think Cosmos did a great job of introducing the subject to a populace increasingly uncomfortable with things that aren't spoon-fed to them or glaringly obvious. I think he will reach people for which Sagan, in all his greatness, holds no interest - he is 'educated' and thus 'elitist.' Ahem. Pretty pictures and shiny things do a lot to hold people's attention.

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  • starkaosstarkaos Member Posts: 11,556 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    lilchibiclari wrote: »
    From a bigger Roman Catholic theological perspective, the existence of other inhabited worlds throws a wrench into the whole "Fall of Man" paradigm. Basically, if there exist people who are not descended from Adam, then one of four scenarios must be true:

    1: The aliens never had a Fall and have no need of salvation

    2: The aliens have Fallen, but without Christ they have no hope for salvation (i.e. Christ died not for them)

    3: God has a separate salvation planned for them (e.g. Christ lived and died on their world as well as ours)

    4: Christ came to the children of Adam (i.e. us), and it is our duty to spread the Word to all of the other worlds so that they too may be saved.

    Thus, from the perspective of a theologian of Bruno's era, proposing the existence of extra-terrestrial sapients calls into question the relationship between God and Man. If God so loved Man that He sent His Son to die for us, then Man must be special among all Creation, so a worldview that reduces Man to relative insignificance flies in the face of the very foundation of the Church.

    You missed one.

    5: We are the worst world out there so Christ came to our world to rehabilitate us. Most of the aliens have already received salvation.
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