If you have any desire to watch and enjoy the "Alien" franchise and haven't seen any of them, I highly suggest "Alien" and "Aliens" only.
Both are great movies and totally different in their style, yet are the best of the franchise. "Alien" was groundbreaking in its time. Nothing had been done like it before, esp. in regards to the featured alien. "Aliens" was a terrific action movie. One of the 2 movies that pushed James Cameron's career into great heights (other being "Terminator" at the time).
"Aliens 3" I hated. Without giving it away, if you were fond of certain things from "Aliens," then the first few minutes of 3 will TRIBBLE you off. Not sure what the hell people were thinking in doing that. From that point on, Aliens 3 dug a hole for itself that it never got out of, at least for me in liking the movie.
Never bothered with "Resurrection."
I don't count the AvP movies as true films for either the Aliens or Predator franchises.
Then we got "Prometheus." I had high hopes for it, with Scott coming back to the franchise. The visuals were amazing but... it just felt off. Part of me wanted to like it, but another half was kind of thinking, "WTF?"
Lastly, "Aliens" was huge for me as a kid and I still love it now. Loved the characters, the weapons, the Aliens, the many memorable lines... James Cameron had his **** together for this movie.
If you have any desire to watch and enjoy the "Alien" franchise and haven't seen any of them, I highly suggest "Alien" and "Aliens" only.
Alien was a very pure sci-fi horror, which I think is why it was so great. Through most of the movie, you never saw the big scary monster. Radar blips, sounds, and confined spaces lead to a more visceral terror than the visual effect of the monster upfront.
Compare this to Prometheus. In Prometheus they try to tackle the mental terror of the insignificance of humanity. Do they do it well? Not really. Attaching the Aliens franchise to it seemed an odd choice. Atleast with Aliens you have the franchise still made of that instinctive raw feeling. Action and horror often intermingle well. Horror and existentialism do not.
Alien was a very pure sci-fi horror, which I think is why it was so great. Through most of the movie, you never saw the big scary monster. Radar blips, sounds, and confined spaces lead to a more visceral terror than the visual effect of the monster upfront.
Compare this to Prometheus. In Prometheus they try to tackle the mental terror of the insignificance of humanity. Do they do it well? Not really. Attaching the Aliens franchise to it seemed an odd choice. Atleast with Aliens you have the franchise still made of that instinctive raw feeling. Action and horror often intermingle well. Horror and existentialism do not.
...Unless you're Lovecraft.
Alien was a cinematic masterpiece of sci-fi horror, and helped change the way movies were made from that point forward.
Aliens was more or less James Cameron trying to bring Starship Troopers to the big screen, of which he was an obviously big fan.
Alien 3 was an allegory for all the ways someone can die, and it's also considered an allegory for HIV and bringing Patient Zero into the populace.
Prometheus was odd. I had high hopes for it, especially since Ridley Scott decided to revisit the film that made him famous to begin with. It seemed like it was trying to be several types of film at once while not sufficiently identifying itself as one type.
The plot holes were extremely obvious, and the suspension of disbelief had to be invoked early on in the movie, whereas part of what made Alien so fantastic was the simplicity of its delivery.
Alien was a cinematic masterpiece of sci-fi horror, and helped change the way movies were made from that point forward.
Aliens was more or less James Cameron trying to bring Starship Troopers to the big screen, of which he was an obviously big fan.
Alien 3 was an allegory for all the ways someone can die, and it's also considered an allegory for HIV and bringing Patient Zero into the populace.
Prometheus was odd. I had high hopes for it, especially since Ridley Scott decided to revisit the film that made him famous to begin with. It seemed like it was trying to be several types of film at once while not sufficiently identifying itself as one type.
The plot holes were extremely obvious, and the suspension of disbelief had to be invoked early on in the movie, whereas part of what made Alien so fantastic was the simplicity of its delivery.
Plus all of Promethus was just a bloody and gory mess in every scene. Now I don't mind movies with blood and guts (I love predator, the original with Arnold Schwarzenegger) but Promethus was just excessive about it and went overkill aside from the plot holes. I just don't think it was as good as a sci-fi horror movie alien was. But aside from all that I recommend watching ALIENS next. I just love a good alien gunfight.:P
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Aliens was frickin' awesome. Definately a must watch after Alien.
Prometheus did fill a couple holes regarding the Space Jockey, but left other questions, such as their relationship to the Xenomorphs and if there was one with the Predators at all. Why would they have a bioweapon like what the crew of Prometheus found?
The less said about Alien 3, the better in my opinion.
Alien: Resurrection... it did keep the look of the older Alien movies... but... to me the story was a bit weak.
AvP was pretty good, as it finally brought the biggest two silver screen aliens (Xenomorphs and Predators) together after... how many games?
AvP:R... it had its moments, and we got to see something that tied it into the rest of the Alien franchise at the end.
NONE of this would have been possible without the original Alien.
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And while people bash the reboot Trek... I feel they miss the part where its introducing a new generation to Star Trek. Not everyone is going to think "Oh... I should check out this Star Trek" and go for the original series. They'd think it looks very dated by today's standards. Just like the original Battlestar Galactica would compared to the reboot series. Think of it as an introduction for the modern day. If they like it, they might check out the older stuff. But that doesn't mean its a total failure, especially if new fans are introduced to the franchise we all know and love. Now it is true that they could have done better with Star Trek, but you gotta consider that Nemesis was pretty much the end of the TNG era, there really wasn't much that could be done with DS9 or Voyager, and Enterprise did have the Earth-Romulan war to look forward to, but didn't make it there. So all that was left was either reboot or create a whole new crew and ship from scratch. Everything we know still exists. We just have this new reality that opens up all kinds of new story possibilities. Its a clean slate basically!
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I can't take it anymore! Could everyone just chill out for two seconds before something CRAZY happens again?!
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Prometheus did fill a couple holes regarding the Space Jockey, but left other questions, such as their relationship to the Xenomorphs and if there was one with the Predators at all. Why would they have a bioweapon like what the crew of Prometheus found?
Hehe... answers to questions like that lead to more questions. It would seem they were at war with another race. Who? Where? Why?
Those questions would probably get answered if such a race were to be introduced.... but then there would be more questions....
...Oh, baby, you know, I've really got to leave you / Oh, I can hear it callin 'me / I said don't you hear it callin' me the way it used to do?...
- Anne Bredon
But that's what I'm saying. It wasn't his job to write the script, nor to tell the actors/actresses not to follow it. And now he's got a bad rep because the writers plopped a **** sandwich in front of him. If he had a better plot to work from (how would you expect him to fix a plot where you lose track of the revenge schemes less than halfway through it?) Into Darkness might actually have been a decent movie. I literally can't fault his directing or production work. In fact, it's because of his work with Trek that new fans are appearing and learning about the old Treks, he gave a crappy script just enough of a glossy sheen to pass it off as cool, and the phenomenon is taking off again. Heck, I dunno if you're following Renegades at all, but it looks pretty promising as a pilot to the next Trek TV series, and it probably couldn't have happened had Trek's popularity not exploded with the JJverse, no matter how awful the writing was.
Personally, there are moments in those movies I like but on the whole I could do without them. But to fault JJ personally for everything wrong with the movie is just spiteful. He turned what could have been a massive failure into a sort-of success, and made a bunch more Trek fans in the process. How could you fault a guy for that?
As for Alien, I'm gonna have to rewatch it to form my opinions on it. Perhaps the violence won't be so offputting the second time around, and I might get to dig in a little deeper.
my point is that jj could of said no and had the scripers go back to stage 1 and come up with something more trek then this alternate universe TRIBBLE, instead he decided to just leave it, delivering something TRIBBLE without a second thought to the series overall, the whole concept of the alt dimension is one i will never ever accept as canon, i dont care if you offered me millions of pounds, forced a loaded gun to my head and danced a pesky elephant on my back, i would never accept it as canon nor recognize it related to the trek series. then you look at his other works recently, some of it is good, and yet he couldnt get his own trek films 1 up. that to me shows shoddy directorship. if renegades does better then it will show how poor jj's attempt at star trek was and the demands he wanted, but if the opposite is true that renegades fails then it changes nothing.
T6 Miranda Hero Ship FTW. Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
my point is that jj could of said no and had the scripers go back to stage 1 and come up with something more trek then this alternate universe TRIBBLE, instead he decided to just leave it, delivering something TRIBBLE without a second thought to the series overall, the whole concept of the alt dimension is one i will never ever accept as canon, i dont care if you offered me millions of pounds, forced a loaded gun to my head and danced a pesky elephant on my back, i would never accept it as canon nor recognize it related to the trek series. then you look at his other works recently, some of it is good, and yet he couldnt get his own trek films 1 up. that to me shows shoddy directorship. if renegades does better then it will show how poor jj's attempt at star trek was and the demands he wanted, but if the opposite is true that renegades fails then it changes nothing.
Well thats what I tried to explain him, too.
A director is responsible for the movie, he is the film maker. He is not forced to go with a bad screenplay by any means. Its his decision.
Saying "he is not responsible for the movie" is like saying "putin is not responsible for the situation in the ukraine. Yes he sent the soldiers there, but its the SOLDIERS who act there, that has nothing to to with Putin... its their fault"
But for the canon; well the canon rule is simple enough: Onscreen is canon, offscreen is not, there is no room for personal acceptance. So those TRIBBLE movies are canon, as much as I hate this fact.
A.K.A. the "Travis FINALLY watches a classic movie" thread.
So I'm not the biggest film buff out there and there's a lot of classic movies I have yet to watch. And today, I decided to finally check out the 1979 classic "Alien".
Started off great. The effects are visually stunning, the dialogue is better than the average sci-fi flick...
...and then it pretty much turns into a violent slasher flick.
It's like, if I let go and try to accept "Alien" as just a good sci-fi movie, it does still work, but I have such a bias against violent horror movies that the transition just didn't work for me.
But the movie is visually perfect. It's like the J.J. Abrams or Michael Bay flick of the 70s, lots of big, loud explosions and aliens designed by H.R. Giger, crazy good and even believable actors... I fail to find any actual fault with the film.
And I did enjoy the last bit of it, after she blows the ship.
I feel I have to say this...
Remember, this movie came out in 1979. VERY few 'horror flicks' of its type were out by then (Halloween was 1978, Friday the 13th was 1980). SciFi horror that treated both those genres seriously was almost non-existent.
Much like watching Casablanca today, and saying "That Rick guy, he's stealing all his moves from Indiana Jones!! Germans, a cantina, that other guy's like Jabba!" (This kinda happened to me - My wife.)
So to call it a slasher flick is to really degrade it... the movie was a lot more like Hitchcock than any of its ilk. Granted, gore and violence were intrinsic, but in context, with due respect to the horror films that came before, it more fairly started the ball rolling rather than copied a hackneyed formula.
Please reconsider ARC. Please make it optional, at the least. PLEASE.
It seems the vast majority of your most active players (forum regulars) hate the idea... and while that's a small subset of the playerbase, I think it's an important constituency.
THE PLAYERS DO NOT WANT THIS.
I must say that the original Alien is by far the best movie of the entire Alien series. I am generally not a fan of horror movies because horror movies generally starts off or ends up being completely stupid and an utter FAIL. I liked the story, the tension was really good and from what I remember (it's been about 7 years since I last saw it) the pacing of the story was also really.
The only other horror movie that I really enjoyed was the original Jaws and Alien seems to borrow a couple of ques from that movie like the pacing of the story and more importantly the fact that you do not actually get to see the "monster"looks like until towards the end of the movie. Everyone should know what a shark looks like, however Steven Spielberg did not reveal what the shark looked like until later into the movie.
I think the 1st time I saw the original Alien and Jaws was in the mid / late 80's.
But for the canon; well the canon rule is simple enough: Onscreen is canon, offscreen is not, there is no room for personal acceptance. So those TRIBBLE movies are canon, as much as I hate this fact.
anyways, back to the topic point. alien was far better then that TRIBBLE no matter what.
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For my part a guy in a suit will always be scarier than CGI. This is why movies like I Am Legend fail. They aren't scary at all. Get a guy with some prosthetics but spare us the computer people.
For my part a guy in a suit will always be scarier than CGI. This is why movies like I Am Legend fail. They aren't scary at all. Get a guy with some prosthetics but spare us the computer people.
I dunno. It depends how convincing the effects or GCI are. Look at the Arc in Space, the Doctor Who episode that could have been Alien if the wyrm hadn't have been made out of bubble wrap.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
It all matters about the budget for CGI aliens and people. If it is a low budget then it will look somewhat crappy and unconvincing. However if has a high budget like Avatar did then it will look amazing. But I agree, even though the original alien was just a puppet, it was still very good.
I dunno. It depends how convincing the effects or GCI are. Look at the Arc in Space, the Doctor Who episode that could have been Alien if the wyrm hadn't have been made out of bubble wrap.
I know I speak heresy, but a part of me wants them to go back to Classic Who and remaster everything, trimming out dead space for a tighter presentation, and also CGI'ing over the paper mache monsters and aliens.
I know I speak heresy, but a part of me wants them to go back to Classic Who and remaster everything, trimming out dead space for a tighter presentation, and also CGI'ing over the paper mache monsters and aliens.
I want them to do two disk sets, disk one is the remastered HD version of the old episode, disk two is the same with editing, corrections, CGI, tighter plots, no cliff hangers, 40 min episodes.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
I want them to do two disk sets, disk one is the remastered HD version of the old episode, disk two is the same with editing, corrections, CGI, tighter plots, no cliff hangers, 40 min episodes.
Nah.... the eps aren't long enough for each to need it's own disk. Just add a menu option for whether you want to play the remastered or original ep.
Nah.... the eps aren't long enough for each to need it's own disk. Just add a menu option for whether you want to play the remastered or original ep.
But there are usually about 12 episodes per story.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
I want them to do two disk sets, disk one is the remastered HD version of the old episode, disk two is the same with editing, corrections, CGI, tighter plots, no cliff hangers, 40 min episodes.
Throw in a CGI that makes all the Doctor's regenerations consistent in visual presentation, and I'll buy a copy. (4th to 5th will be a challenge)
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
Compare this to Prometheus. In Prometheus they try to tackle the mental terror of the insignificance of humanity. Do they do it well? Not really. Attaching the Aliens franchise to it seemed an odd choice. Atleast with Aliens you have the franchise still made of that instinctive raw feeling. Action and horror often intermingle well. Horror and existentialism do not.
Don't forget that Ridley Scott is also busily shoehorning Bladerunner into this as well. :rolleyes:
Soldier, a film based in the Blade Runner universe would fit in as well.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
New series stories are 1 40 min episode or 2 40 mins episodes (Except Turn Left / Utopia / Sound of Drums {three parter}, and the End of Time {60 mins}, and Day of the Doctor{film length}).
Classic stories were 6 to 12 25 min episodes, too many for one disk especially if a remastered version was provided as well.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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Both are great movies and totally different in their style, yet are the best of the franchise. "Alien" was groundbreaking in its time. Nothing had been done like it before, esp. in regards to the featured alien. "Aliens" was a terrific action movie. One of the 2 movies that pushed James Cameron's career into great heights (other being "Terminator" at the time).
"Aliens 3" I hated. Without giving it away, if you were fond of certain things from "Aliens," then the first few minutes of 3 will TRIBBLE you off. Not sure what the hell people were thinking in doing that. From that point on, Aliens 3 dug a hole for itself that it never got out of, at least for me in liking the movie.
Never bothered with "Resurrection."
I don't count the AvP movies as true films for either the Aliens or Predator franchises.
Then we got "Prometheus." I had high hopes for it, with Scott coming back to the franchise. The visuals were amazing but... it just felt off. Part of me wanted to like it, but another half was kind of thinking, "WTF?"
Lastly, "Aliens" was huge for me as a kid and I still love it now. Loved the characters, the weapons, the Aliens, the many memorable lines... James Cameron had his **** together for this movie.
Alien was a very pure sci-fi horror, which I think is why it was so great. Through most of the movie, you never saw the big scary monster. Radar blips, sounds, and confined spaces lead to a more visceral terror than the visual effect of the monster upfront.
Compare this to Prometheus. In Prometheus they try to tackle the mental terror of the insignificance of humanity. Do they do it well? Not really. Attaching the Aliens franchise to it seemed an odd choice. Atleast with Aliens you have the franchise still made of that instinctive raw feeling. Action and horror often intermingle well. Horror and existentialism do not.
...Unless you're Lovecraft.
Alien was a cinematic masterpiece of sci-fi horror, and helped change the way movies were made from that point forward.
Aliens was more or less James Cameron trying to bring Starship Troopers to the big screen, of which he was an obviously big fan.
Alien 3 was an allegory for all the ways someone can die, and it's also considered an allegory for HIV and bringing Patient Zero into the populace.
Prometheus was odd. I had high hopes for it, especially since Ridley Scott decided to revisit the film that made him famous to begin with. It seemed like it was trying to be several types of film at once while not sufficiently identifying itself as one type.
The plot holes were extremely obvious, and the suspension of disbelief had to be invoked early on in the movie, whereas part of what made Alien so fantastic was the simplicity of its delivery.
Plus all of Promethus was just a bloody and gory mess in every scene. Now I don't mind movies with blood and guts (I love predator, the original with Arnold Schwarzenegger) but Promethus was just excessive about it and went overkill aside from the plot holes. I just don't think it was as good as a sci-fi horror movie alien was. But aside from all that I recommend watching ALIENS next. I just love a good alien gunfight.:P
Prometheus did fill a couple holes regarding the Space Jockey, but left other questions, such as their relationship to the Xenomorphs and if there was one with the Predators at all. Why would they have a bioweapon like what the crew of Prometheus found?
The less said about Alien 3, the better in my opinion.
Alien: Resurrection... it did keep the look of the older Alien movies... but... to me the story was a bit weak.
AvP was pretty good, as it finally brought the biggest two silver screen aliens (Xenomorphs and Predators) together after... how many games?
AvP:R... it had its moments, and we got to see something that tied it into the rest of the Alien franchise at the end.
NONE of this would have been possible without the original Alien.
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And while people bash the reboot Trek... I feel they miss the part where its introducing a new generation to Star Trek. Not everyone is going to think "Oh... I should check out this Star Trek" and go for the original series. They'd think it looks very dated by today's standards. Just like the original Battlestar Galactica would compared to the reboot series. Think of it as an introduction for the modern day. If they like it, they might check out the older stuff. But that doesn't mean its a total failure, especially if new fans are introduced to the franchise we all know and love. Now it is true that they could have done better with Star Trek, but you gotta consider that Nemesis was pretty much the end of the TNG era, there really wasn't much that could be done with DS9 or Voyager, and Enterprise did have the Earth-Romulan war to look forward to, but didn't make it there. So all that was left was either reboot or create a whole new crew and ship from scratch. Everything we know still exists. We just have this new reality that opens up all kinds of new story possibilities. Its a clean slate basically!
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Those questions would probably get answered if such a race were to be introduced.... but then there would be more questions....
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...Oh, baby, you know, I've really got to leave you / Oh, I can hear it callin 'me / I said don't you hear it callin' me the way it used to do?...
- Anne Bredon
my point is that jj could of said no and had the scripers go back to stage 1 and come up with something more trek then this alternate universe TRIBBLE, instead he decided to just leave it, delivering something TRIBBLE without a second thought to the series overall, the whole concept of the alt dimension is one i will never ever accept as canon, i dont care if you offered me millions of pounds, forced a loaded gun to my head and danced a pesky elephant on my back, i would never accept it as canon nor recognize it related to the trek series. then you look at his other works recently, some of it is good, and yet he couldnt get his own trek films 1 up. that to me shows shoddy directorship. if renegades does better then it will show how poor jj's attempt at star trek was and the demands he wanted, but if the opposite is true that renegades fails then it changes nothing.
Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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Well thats what I tried to explain him, too.
A director is responsible for the movie, he is the film maker. He is not forced to go with a bad screenplay by any means. Its his decision.
Saying "he is not responsible for the movie" is like saying "putin is not responsible for the situation in the ukraine. Yes he sent the soldiers there, but its the SOLDIERS who act there, that has nothing to to with Putin... its their fault"
But for the canon; well the canon rule is simple enough: Onscreen is canon, offscreen is not, there is no room for personal acceptance. So those TRIBBLE movies are canon, as much as I hate this fact.
I feel I have to say this...
Remember, this movie came out in 1979. VERY few 'horror flicks' of its type were out by then (Halloween was 1978, Friday the 13th was 1980). SciFi horror that treated both those genres seriously was almost non-existent.
Much like watching Casablanca today, and saying "That Rick guy, he's stealing all his moves from Indiana Jones!! Germans, a cantina, that other guy's like Jabba!" (This kinda happened to me - My wife.)
So to call it a slasher flick is to really degrade it... the movie was a lot more like Hitchcock than any of its ilk. Granted, gore and violence were intrinsic, but in context, with due respect to the horror films that came before, it more fairly started the ball rolling rather than copied a hackneyed formula.
It seems the vast majority of your most active players (forum regulars) hate the idea... and while that's a small subset of the playerbase, I think it's an important constituency.
THE PLAYERS DO NOT WANT THIS.
I must say that the original Alien is by far the best movie of the entire Alien series. I am generally not a fan of horror movies because horror movies generally starts off or ends up being completely stupid and an utter FAIL. I liked the story, the tension was really good and from what I remember (it's been about 7 years since I last saw it) the pacing of the story was also really.
The only other horror movie that I really enjoyed was the original Jaws and Alien seems to borrow a couple of ques from that movie like the pacing of the story and more importantly the fact that you do not actually get to see the "monster"looks like until towards the end of the movie. Everyone should know what a shark looks like, however Steven Spielberg did not reveal what the shark looked like until later into the movie.
I think the 1st time I saw the original Alien and Jaws was in the mid / late 80's.
LOL...I will never use shock paddles on Wifred Brimley.
anyways, back to the topic point. alien was far better then that TRIBBLE no matter what.
Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
I dunno. It depends how convincing the effects or GCI are. Look at the Arc in Space, the Doctor Who episode that could have been Alien if the wyrm hadn't have been made out of bubble wrap.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
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'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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I know I speak heresy, but a part of me wants them to go back to Classic Who and remaster everything, trimming out dead space for a tighter presentation, and also CGI'ing over the paper mache monsters and aliens.
I want them to do two disk sets, disk one is the remastered HD version of the old episode, disk two is the same with editing, corrections, CGI, tighter plots, no cliff hangers, 40 min episodes.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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But there are usually about 12 episodes per story.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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Throw in a CGI that makes all the Doctor's regenerations consistent in visual presentation, and I'll buy a copy. (4th to 5th will be a challenge)
Like this :cool:?
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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Don't forget that Ridley Scott is also busily shoehorning Bladerunner into this as well. :rolleyes:
http://www.tor.com/blogs/2012/10/new-prometheus-material-confirms-blade-runner-and-alien-share-a-universe
Soldier, a film based in the Blade Runner universe would fit in as well.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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New series stories are 1 40 min episode or 2 40 mins episodes (Except Turn Left / Utopia / Sound of Drums {three parter}, and the End of Time {60 mins}, and Day of the Doctor{film length}).
Classic stories were 6 to 12 25 min episodes, too many for one disk especially if a remastered version was provided as well.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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