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I haven't' played as the KDF in over a year before the release of the Fleet Star bases so forigive me If my information is a little out of date I have been recently considering remaking my KDF character mainly because I miss the Gurumba Destroyer and I've been feeling nostalgic but I couldn't help notice where is the Fleet Gurumba?
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*shrugs* It's a KDF ship.
But now there is a fleet Galaxy-X and no fleet Guramba. I don't have any idea why don't they release this ship, it's the #1 contender for a KDF escort/destroyer with 5 tactical consoles.
Same here. Not many people are willing to downgrade to a 9 console ship at this point, but a lot will buy a 10 console version just for the looks, even if it's on par with what they already fly. Is Cryptic having a problem with too much profit?:rolleyes:
Yep, and Cryptic will continue to wonder why not so many people play KDF.
1. It's tough for them to add in more fleet ships. I don't mean a new costume or anything, but maybe there is some difficulty somewhere in the coding or whatever for them to add more fleet ships.
2. They don't make as much money as Cryptic wants, possibly even losing money. I have a feeling this might be more the case. Fleet ships might not sell as well relative to the amount of time needed to put them in, so they hesitate to add more.
PS. As much as I want the Fleet Guramba to have 5 tac consoles, I really doubt they will actually do that.
Perhaps if there is enough support they'll release it but still even the 9 console C Store Gurumba is powerful in it's own right the Javelin has a small enough cool down to allow it to be used effectively and on top of that a built in Plasmonic Leech when in Siege mode perhaps Cryptic felt that the Gurumba doesn't need a Fleet version since it already has all of these bonuses but I'll have to make do with the C Store Gurumba until the Fleet version is released (if they do release it).
And a 5 Tactical console Fleet version would be fantastic along with Attack pattern alpha and Beta and a Weapons Battery the Javelin would do epic Spike damage.
We can only dream...
Not working in the industry, I can't respond to number 1.
But I don't think it'd be loosing them money to release new fleet ships. In case of existing Tier 5 C-Store equivalents, people buy the C-Store variant to get FSM reductions (and sometimes maybe even the console/s). Compared to designing a brand new ship, it is the same reward (or more, if claimed on several characters) for Cryptic for much less work (only a new skin and adding 1 console slot and shield and hull bonuses to the system for Tier 5 ships). Unless it somehow isn't 'much less work' , see number 1.
Since I find it hard to believe it would be somehow unexpectedly difficult to code a new fleet ship, I believe they just don't want to release all the Fleet ships at once and want to keep some aces up their sleeves. As a back up plan if they have trouble with new releases.
Toi'Va, Ti'vath, Toivia, Ty'Vris, Tia Vex, Toi'Virth: Add Tier 6 KDF Carrier and Raider.
Tae'Va, T'Vaya, To'Var, Tevra, T'Vira, To'Vrak: Give us Asylums for Romulans.
Don't make ARC mandatory! Keep it optional only!
I've been wondering too. It seems that almost all Fed ships have a fleet version, by now, at a cursory glance.
Let's see.
First off, the Romulans have all ships in fleet version, which makes sense.
Barring the 3-packs, the Feds currently miss:
Escorts:
Blockade Runner
(NX Class Light Escort)
Cruisers:
Cruiser (& Constitution)
Light Cruiser
Sci:
Oberth
D'Kyr
So, ehm, that's just the T1 ships, Blockade Runner and the D'Kyr.
KDF misses:
Bird-of-Preys:
QulDun/QulDun BoP
Ki'tang/Ch'Tang BoP
Hegh'ta/Haj Heavy BoP
Raptors:
SuQob/Qorgh Raptor
Puyjaq/Pach Raptor
Battle cruisers:
K'Tanco Battle Cruiser
Destroyers:
Guramba Siege Destroyer
Vandal Destroyer
Support Vessels:
Dacoit Flight-Deck Cruiser
Phalanx Science Vessel
Draguas Support Vessel
Seems the facts back you up on that one. Pity, too - plenty of opportunities for great ships. Also seems the battle cruisers are slightly overrepresented.
One minor thing however: the Blockade Runner does have a retrofit which brings it to 10 console level:
http://sto.gamepedia.com/Blockade_Runner_Escort_Retrofit
However the Andorian Light Escort, which nobody seems to know anything about, doesn't.:)
http://sto.gamepedia.com/Andorian_Light_Escort
Incidentally, the T1 Kumari was a freebie with the Neverwinter prepurchase pack, I believe. And I say freebie with some scepsis, as the pack was 150 bucks or something
Thanks again.:)
I don't think they would give her 5 tac consoles because of the javelin...but honestly I don't care if she doesn't have 5 tac consoles...I'd just be glad she would have a fleet version.
I would like to point out one thing about the BoPs: The Hoh'sus and Fleet Hoh'sus are essentially upgraded Hegh'ta BoPs in terms of stats. I mean, all the Fleet Hoh'sus gains over the Hegh'ta is a tac console and some hullpoints and shield mod. The biggest difference is the model. I have NO idea why Cryptic didn't simply make it a Fleet Hegh'ta. Speaking of visual similarities, the Norgh looks kinda similar to the QulDun in shape and design, with some skin differences and minor variations in hull shape. Why didn't they just make it a Fleet QulDun Retrofit? Furthermore, the Ch'tang (the refit of the Ki'tang) looks VERY similar to the Hoh'sus - all the way down to the low-hanging wings and wing guns. Why not make that a Fleet Ki'tang Retrofit or something?
There's a lot of weird things Cryptic did.
The Blockade Runner Retrofit has 10 consoles and 1.0 mod shields, it is "fleet".
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
If that ship was the only one which was that way, I'd go with that, but honestly it doesn't jive with me anymore, and I don't consider that a good enough reason to justify not having it.
Other ships like the Excelsior, Gal-X, B'rel, and T'varo all have some interesting, extra 'thing' that is completely built into the ships and takes up no console slots at all. B'rel and T'varo have the enhanced battle cloak, the Excelsior has it's transwarp feature, and the Gal-X has the Phaser Lance. Maybe other examples I am forgetting as well. All of these ships also have fleet versions.
Point is that I feel that reasoning doesn't hold water, because it's clear that they are perfectly ok to release fleet versions of ships with wholly innate abilities.
The cynic in me wants to say that they won't give us the Fleet Gurumba because that would possibly imply that they might give the KDF a 5 tac-console escort-esque ship, and they don't wanna do that because it'd upset Feds and Roms. Can't be giving KDF any kind of 5 tac console ship, despite them being the first ones to ever have that. That'd be BAD!
Now, that's just the cynical part of me saying that. The rest of me is just more along the lines of being BAFFLED as to why they haven't. On the previous page of this thread I made a post wondering why they release so few fleet ships in general. I have another thing to mention though in regards to only this ship:
Are they worried about balance for some reason in regards to it?
Honestly they really shouldn't be. Seriously, aside from it's Disruptor Javelin and Siege Mode, it's basically a Patrol Escort for all intents and purposes. 4 tac, 3 eng, 2 sci consoles. Stats that are fairly close enough to a Patrol Escort for all the things that matter.
Are they worried on PvE balance? They shouldn't be. They designed the game to be completed in pretty much any ship a player desires, so who cares if the Gurumba has it's unique features?
Are they worried about PvP balance? First off, being a PvPer, lol at them ever using that as a reason; second, they still shouldn't be since PvP mostly is a game of either dying REALLY fast or never dying at all pretty much. It also lacks a major feature, particularly after Romulans were introduced: A cloak.
So again, why is there no Fleet Gurumba? It just shocks me that they simply haven't made this happen yet. There must be an awfully good, or awfully dumb reason for it.
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Maybe we should ask Geko.
In an interview last year he said that Cryptic would release the Fleet Gurambe at the same time as the Fleet Galaxy Dreadnought. So...
Three words: Fleet Galaxy Dreadnought.
R.I.P
Agreed. It's such and old ship that is still shockingly popular even without a fleet version - everywhere I turn I always see a Guramba flying around.
The mix of being a good escort-type ship, the unique look + mechanic and the power of the 'javelin' seem to do their thing. I'm very sure that a Fleet Guramba would sell like wild. Heck, I'd buy one!
And as I said - this is probably the best KDF candidate for finally giving us that 5 tactical consoles escort-type ship, you know - like the ones the other 2 factions have had for ages, Cryptic?
Nothing against you, but the first mistake in listening to Geko is to BELIEVE Geko. He said that, I remember it, but it doesn't mean we should have believed him, considering well...there's a Fleet Gal-X now, and no Fleet Gurumba.
Indeed Roach. Again, it shocks me why they haven't done so. The damn thing pretty much prints money, and as Shpoks said, is still overall one of the more popular C-store KDF ships.