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What is your beef with the Suliban Cell Ship?
no09dysonsphere
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I for one am tired of this blatant bias against the red headed step child of the Star Trek franchise, Enterprise. On screen, the Suliban Cell Ship is basically Enterprise's equivalent to the Jem'Hadar Attack Ship, but in game the Suliban's most iconic combat vessel isn't even designed for combat! What!?!?!!
As a fan of the Suliban trying to make this ship work, it's incredibly disappointing that the CSC starts off at a HUGE disadvantage to practically every single other vessel. It's missing 7 console slots, 3 bridge officer stations, multiple weapon hardpoints, and a massive amount of hull. And to rub salt in the wound, I can't even take it into the Borg STFs or PvP
Not even small craft pvp (And where''s that cloaking device it CANONICALLY comes with?)
I can't think of any other iconic Star Trek warship that is as COMPLETELY underpowered and unviable as the cell ship. At the very least, this ship needs to be reclassified as a raider and have the stats to match. Please get it right!
As a fan of the Suliban trying to make this ship work, it's incredibly disappointing that the CSC starts off at a HUGE disadvantage to practically every single other vessel. It's missing 7 console slots, 3 bridge officer stations, multiple weapon hardpoints, and a massive amount of hull. And to rub salt in the wound, I can't even take it into the Borg STFs or PvP
Not even small craft pvp (And where''s that cloaking device it CANONICALLY comes with?)I can't think of any other iconic Star Trek warship that is as COMPLETELY underpowered and unviable as the cell ship. At the very least, this ship needs to be reclassified as a raider and have the stats to match. Please get it right!
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Lockheed Martin said no. It's a licensing issue.
They could cloak, and in both Prime and Mirror universes Trip adapts one to work on Enterprise.
That makes neither sense as a legitimate complaint or a bad troll on the complaints about the Galaxy class.
As someone who does have the cell ship, which has a very functional cloaking device, I can assure you that it far more useful than any of the current Galaxy class variants with or without recently announced ..."revamp" out there.
It's a regular cloak ... not a battle cloak.
Considering the Kumari is an end game ship and arguably so is the D'kyr it's only fair the Cell ship gets a revamp so it's at least usable
STO story dictates, that the Cabal fell apart shortly after the events in "Storm Front".
By then, all the future benefits, Technology, Genetic Re-sequencing and chit-chat with the future ended, and since the Suliban were already a nomadic species at the time of Enterprise, the species fell into a time of darkness.
By the time of STO, the remaining suliban had sold off loads of whatever valeuable tech they had left, and were getting by on scrapes and scrap.
Enterprise was also able of detecting the cloak protecting the suliban ships, which was btw significantly less advanced than the romulan cloak of the time, so that would be way out of date by the time of enterprise (it's unlikely that a scattered race would be able to bring up the coordination of maintaining research on those advanced tech.
On the above point, I see no need to even get started on the weapons.
Damn it Lockheed Martin :mad:
Nope, Cryptic's beef with the cell ship keeps it out of STFs
True, but this is a game where people are flying all sorts of out of date 22nd century ships, the T'varo, the D'kyr, the Kumari, you name it. Heck, even racing craft like the Risian corvette can get in on the action. So why can't I refit a cell ship as a raider? It obviously works except the beef, there's not even the threat of our CBS overlords casting their shadow over everything like there is with the Connie.
Stargate came into my mind...
Bra'tac: Perhaps if the warships of your world attack we will be able...
Carter: (interrupting) Eh, excuse me... did you say 'the ships of our world'?
Bra'tac: Surely you have such vessels?
Jackson: Well, we have a number of...of...
Jackson and O'Neill: Shuttles.
Bra'tac: These... 'shuttles'... they are a formidable craft?
O'Neill: Oh yeah... yeah... bad day...
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Suliban cell ships can cloak just fine. Remember how Tucker had to get the cloak working, getting half his arm cloaked in the process?
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So is the NX class, but that's in the game as a playable starship
That may be true... However, you will find that I generally oppose said old timer ships, and that I don't fly them.
However, IF I were forced to provide an explanation (and I kinda am)... Let's look at the cell-ship.
(I am going to assume that we are taking the one that had grown in the episode where Reed lost his scanner).
- It generally holds one person, but can support 4-5.
-From what I've seen, it must be using
-- a micro warpcore
-- is equipped with two phased weapon ports.
- Granted, the STO variant is what... 30'ish docked together?
The NX 01, while being earths most advanced ship at the time, was in comparison still pretty weak, but was still 1o1 able to take on the cell ship. We've seen her take on several in fact.
All the other ships you've mentioned are generally bigger and COULD support more advanced and larger tech compared to the cell ship. Let's be pretty basic: The cell-ships ARE extremely small... It's unlikely that it could support the more advanced tech... Even if we put an effort into explaining it.
Do you not think that the Sulliban would have different ship configurations for different uses.
They are a mobile society with vessels that allow them to join the collective assembly. It makes
perfectly good sense that the particular cell ship available to us, has a configuration just for
trading and travel purposes.. oh, and last i checked.. it did have a cloaking device!
After that, its a ship you want for its interior. Not for anything else. She wasn't designed for combat, she should not do combat. Its a trading vessel, like the Tuffli. And I think that Traders will start doing combat the day that it is revealed that Q's Winter Wonderland was actually in Gre'thor.
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Problem is as you admitted the in game cell ship is 30 of the little pods docked together (some of the skins are practically a helix, we also have the cylindrical variant of the cell ship available), so it's not like we're weaponizing a 5 person pod here...
Huh? The Suliban Cell Ship has 10k hull. That is exactly how much hull the tier 1 B'rel has. In fact hull plus shields the cell ship is equivalent to the Miranda. The only difference is the Cell Ship trades two ensign stations for a single lieutenant station.
And the whole point of this thread is that the cell ship as depicted on the show is a combat vessel, the whole trading vessel only TRIBBLE is non canonical BS. Besides, we have the Ferengi D'kora which functions as a trading vessel AND an end game cruiser so traders are already doing combat...
Obviously they're not being built with 2409 techniques, technology, and materials. These are the same exact ships that were on screen 200 years ago. That's the only possibility.
:rolleyes:
enterprise and its phased cannons at the time could destroy suliban cell ships pretty quickly thats why the suliban swarm cell ships, safety in numbers. if anything the cell ship should be even worse then a shuttle in stats none upgraded, even with its one disruptor beam weapon it couldnt really damage enterprise that well, imagine shielding in the way, the suliban ships weapon wouldnt even make a dent in the shielding of any modern ship, even that of the connie or miranda class ships.
as i understand it, the cell ship has its own purpose and its internal space is far far too big for all the various different shapes on the outside. considering a single cell doesnt hold more then two suliban at most in a closed cramped cockpit.
Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
And jem'hadar attack ships blow up in practically every episode of DS9. The point is that the cell ship is a warship, it should be viable, right? It's not canonically a tuffli.
Why not? I played through almost the entire Klingon War arc in a Tuffli.
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