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curedmencuredmen Member Posts: 215 Arc User
I think we deserve better info from Cryptic on what they are working on and planing to release. We need more polls on what the players actually want to see in the game. And im not taliking about any "possible to be made" when ever if ever.

Sure i do check from time to time on stowiki upcoming content but i want sto community to get pure facts and not any speculations on whats head of us.

Why not give us monthly updates on what you developing and ASK us, do we want it or not.
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  • daan2006daan2006 Member Posts: 5,346 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    only a minority use the forums polls dont help and as seen from the last dont even matter
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    This! Their ability to outdo their own failures is quite impressive. If only this power could be harnessed for good.
  • curedmencuredmen Member Posts: 215 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    daan2006 wrote: »
    only a minority use the forums polls dont help and as seen from the last dont even matter

    Nothing matters if the majority thinks nothing matters. i for one dont want to be guided by a blind man.
  • twg042370twg042370 Member Posts: 2,312 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    curedmen wrote: »
    Why not give us monthly updates on what you developing and ASK us, do we want it or not.

    Dev "We have plans to do A"

    Player "Yay! A!"

    months later

    Dev "We couldn't do A for various reasons. Most of which are business related and we don't have the freedom to go into it."

    Player "Die in a fire."

    And that's why they don't tell us these things any more.
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  • mewmaster101mewmaster101 Member Posts: 1,239 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    curedmen wrote: »
    I think we deserve better info from Cryptic on what they are working on and planing to release. We need more polls on what the players actually want to see in the game. And im not taliking about any "possible to be made" when ever if ever.

    Sure i do check from time to time on stowiki upcoming content but i want sto community to get pure facts and not any speculations on whats head of us.

    Why not give us monthly updates on what you developing and ASK us, do we want it or not.

    You will never get that, Cryptic/PWE do not care about the players, they only care about lining their own pocket. A lot of what they say is a lie in the first place, and everyone knows what to expect, more broken ships and consoles in the C-store and more grinding for Rep.
  • curedmencuredmen Member Posts: 215 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    damn, i made another place for griefers to go. i give up
  • peetapipmacpeetapipmac Member Posts: 2,131 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    curedmen wrote: »
    I think we deserve better info from Cryptic on what they are working on and planing to release.


    One quick question. Why?
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  • peetapipmacpeetapipmac Member Posts: 2,131 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    curedmen wrote: »
    damn, i made another place for griefers to go. i give up

    Erm... just cause you don't like the reply's doesn't mean people are griefing you. :rolleyes:
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  • talonxvtalonxv Member Posts: 4,257 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    twg042370 wrote: »
    Dev "We have plans to do A"

    Player "Yay! A!"

    months later

    Dev "We couldn't do A for various reasons. Most of which are business related and we don't have the freedom to go into it."

    Player "Die in a fire."

    And that's why they don't tell us these things any more.

    That's literally any game that's online.
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  • lan451lan451 Member Posts: 3,386 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    curedmen wrote: »
    I think we deserve better info from Cryptic on what they are working on and planing to release. We need more polls on what the players actually want to see in the game. And im not taliking about any "possible to be made" when ever if ever.

    Sure i do check from time to time on stowiki upcoming content but i want sto community to get pure facts and not any speculations on whats head of us.

    Why not give us monthly updates on what you developing and ASK us, do we want it or not.

    Because Cryptic tried that before in the form of Engineering Reports. Problem was, people took everything in those reports as "promises". When the schedule changed or they decided not to do a certain feature, people accused them of not keeping their promises to the playerbase and raged. That's how Dan got his reputation of being a "liar", even if it wasn't really justified.
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  • bobbydazlersbobbydazlers Member Posts: 4,535 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    so there's this great game that everyone is playing, you only have one character to control and though you are allowed to make a few minor mistakes in the game your character will not usually suffer to greatly as a result.
    you will need to accomplish certain task throughout the game but each task has its own rewards, some tasks have better rewards then others and depending on your choices throughout the game may become available to you or may never be available to you, some tasks are great fun but other task can seem like a grind.
    you can visit the different zones within the game but they are often changing and though some may get better to visit others might get much worse or even disappear from the game without warning often taking many of the game players with them when they go.
    all the time you play the game your character is growing earning different currency's collecting items some that are useful and fulfil certain functions within the game, other items have no use and are classed as vanity items.

    only one problem with this game is the creator will never tell you or any of the other players what is to come in the game and what is planned for them personally or the game as a whole, there may be some players that profess a knowledge of what is to come in the game but they are most often so vague about upcoming content you cant really ever believe them and they are often wrong anyway.
    many players have said in the past that the game will come to an end very soon but they have always been proved wrong.

    so bearing in mind that you will never know where the game will take you or what is likely to come in the game do you want to stop playing?

    you want to know the name of the game, that's life.

    When I think about everything we've been through together,

    maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,

     and if that journey takes a little longer,

    so we can do something we all believe in,

     I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.

  • ashkrik23ashkrik23 Member Posts: 10,809 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    twg042370 wrote: »
    Dev "We have plans to do A"

    Player "Yay! A!"

    months later

    Dev "We couldn't do A for various reasons. Most of which are business related and we don't have the freedom to go into it."

    Player "Die in a fire."

    And that's why they don't tell us these things any more.

    This. People go all nuts and say they devs broke a promise when they didn't promise anything. They simply said it's what they plan to do. Plans change..
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  • thecosmic1thecosmic1 Member Posts: 9,365 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    Cryptic used to have Engineering Reports, where they tried to update us monthly about what was forthcoming. While it was nice to see what was on the horizon it ended up creating a lot of angst because many people on the forum could not understand why something was changed or pushed back. The information ended up causing much more hostility within the community then helping.

    Plus we already have STO Wiki. They go through all the podcasts and interviews and forum statements and try to compile all upcoming information HERE.
    STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
  • unangbangkayunangbangkay Member Posts: 10 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    thecosmic1 wrote: »
    Cryptic used to have Engineering Reports, where they tried to update us monthly about what was forthcoming. While it was nice to see what was on the horizon it ended up creating a lot of angst because many people on the forum could not understand why something was changed or pushed back. The information ended up causing much more hostility within the community then helping.

    Plus we already have STO Wiki. They go through all the podcasts and interviews and forum statements and try to compile all upcoming information HERE.

    Yes, this.

    And let's not forget that any content that is actually finalized is worked on very, VERY far in advance. Remember the dev blog that was posted detailing the ship design process? That takes a MINIMUM of six months of work, for a process that is arguably the most refined and modular in all of STO.

    By comparison designing, testing, writing, iterating, and executing new content is practically like designing a whole new game to bolt onto your existing game.

    And yet some folks like the OP think that somehow Cryptic and STO would be best served if they made their content and design decisions based on FORUM POLLS!

    Please. Feedback from players and playtesters is important, but polling the forums is about the worst possible way to gather the information you need to make critical decisions like what goes into your game next.
  • greyhame3greyhame3 Member Posts: 914 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    Any multiplayer game designed by player vote would be the worst game ever made.
  • hevachhevach Member Posts: 2,777 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    twg042370 wrote: »
    Dev "We have plans to do A"

    Player "Yay! A!"
    Player "What about B?"
    Player "Yay! B!!!"

    month later

    Dev "We're still working on A, but no, it won't be on tribble for this current update, which is very exciting and we'll be talking about that in a dev blog next week."

    Player "WTF YOU PROMISED US A SIX YEARS AGO WTF IS THIS LYING BULL**** **** LOVING **** **** MOTHER **** WITH A *** ***** ****** **** DOORKNOB."
    Player "WHAT EVER HAPPENED TO B IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE READY TO PATCH IN LAST YEAR"

    New thread: "B Cancelled, STO DOOMED"


    And that's why they don't tell us these things any more.

    Fixed that for a much more common outplay. Your version certainly happens, but this one happens a lot more. Take 90% of the speculation about Gecko's twitter hint at a dev blog coming this week or next about something we've been told about and are expecting: Most people seem to expect it to be either something we've been told *won't* happen or some of the same stuff they thought the STO Fugitive twitter account was about.

    Heck, just yesterday at least three people were still posting about the Fugitive as if it was the herald of something official, and the time for I-Told-You-Sos was over a month ago.
  • daan2006daan2006 Member Posts: 5,346 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    greyhame3 wrote: »
    Any multiplayer game designed by player vote would be the worst game ever made.

    even by star trek fans? :D
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    macronius wrote: »
    This! Their ability to outdo their own failures is quite impressive. If only this power could be harnessed for good.
  • mirrorchaosmirrorchaos Member Posts: 9,844 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    Yes, this.

    And let's not forget that any content that is actually finalized is worked on very, VERY far in advance. Remember the dev blog that was posted detailing the ship design process? That takes a MINIMUM of six months of work, for a process that is arguably the most refined and modular in all of STO.

    By comparison designing, testing, writing, iterating, and executing new content is practically like designing a whole new game to bolt onto your existing game.

    And yet some folks like the OP think that somehow Cryptic and STO would be best served if they made their content and design decisions based on FORUM POLLS!

    Please. Feedback from players and playtesters is important, but polling the forums is about the worst possible way to gather the information you need to make critical decisions like what goes into your game next.

    especially considering the few of us here are the only voice on sto, what 10%? or something like that. however it seems the romulan faction was the exception to this, for the most par it was a good choice but then there is the minifaction thing. some see this once and assume its gonna happen everytime, but PWE isnt like that.
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  • daan2006daan2006 Member Posts: 5,346 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    however it seems the romulan faction was the exception to this, for the most par it was a good choice but then there is the minifaction thing. some see this once and assume its gonna happen everytime, but PWE isnt like that.

    who you calling a mini faction we are a full faction dev said we are!!!!!!
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    macronius wrote: »
    This! Their ability to outdo their own failures is quite impressive. If only this power could be harnessed for good.
  • thecosmic1thecosmic1 Member Posts: 9,365 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    daan2006 wrote: »
    even by star trek fans? :D
    Especially by Star Trek fans. Trek fans are not unified in any way. You have fans who only like TOS, and fans who only like TNG + DS9. You have fans who only like Voyager. Fans who never watched Voyager. Fans who like Enterprise, and fans who hated Enterprise. And there are whole groups of fans who only like the JJverse stuff. The fans who like it all, like me, are extremely rare. Most of Trek is divided into cliques.
    STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
  • greyhame3greyhame3 Member Posts: 914 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    daan2006 wrote: »
    even by star trek fans? :D
    Yes. /tenchar
  • daan2006daan2006 Member Posts: 5,346 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    thecosmic1 wrote: »
    Especially by Star Trek fans. Trek fans are not unified in any way. You have fans who only like TOS, and fans who only like TNG + DS9. You have fans who only like Voyager. Fans who never watched Voyager. Fans who like Enterprise, and fans who hated Enterprise. And there are whole groups of fans who only like the JJverse stuff. The fans who like it all, like me, are extremely rare. Most of Trek is divided into cliques.

    i like tos for being what started it all but yes i do love Voy TNG and DS9 i dont really have a hate tho some fan here can make want to hate on a captain but that for something else to be discuss
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    This! Their ability to outdo their own failures is quite impressive. If only this power could be harnessed for good.
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  • bobbydazlersbobbydazlers Member Posts: 4,535 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    thecosmic1 wrote: »
    Especially by Star Trek fans. Trek fans are not unified in any way. You have fans who only like TOS, and fans who only like TNG + DS9. You have fans who only like Voyager. Fans who never watched Voyager. Fans who like Enterprise, and fans who hated Enterprise. And there are whole groups of fans who only like the JJverse stuff. The fans who like it all, like me, are extremely rare. Most of Trek is divided into cliques.

    youre not so rare, I like it all also, I even like to read some of the fan fiction and watch some of the fan made stuff on you tube, especially the ones that feature some of the original cast members.

    When I think about everything we've been through together,

    maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,

     and if that journey takes a little longer,

    so we can do something we all believe in,

     I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.

  • thecosmic1thecosmic1 Member Posts: 9,365 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    f2pdrakron wrote: »
    *Cough*

    Why are you making as if everyone that was a TNG fan was automatic a DS9 fan?
    There are also TOS+TNG fans that view everything after Gene passing the decline.
    Not necessarily a fan, but it was easy for them to relate to. TNG and DS9 were set in the same era and in the same general location - they could interact. While Voyager was set in the same era it was completely removed from the normal Star Trek environment. In some ways Voyager might have been the series closest to TOS - strange new worlds, etc. But TNG and DS9 were more recognizable Trek with Klingons, Romulans, etc.
    STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
  • edgecrysgeredgecrysger Member Posts: 2,740 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    LOL. At first i thought this was another joke-kind sort of post.

    Cryptic NEVER info the players on whats going on. They only heads up 1 or 2 weeks before they release something.

    They never info the players on what is the status of the -fixing bugs- part. Mostly because they just dont want to fix bugs, and they dont have any info to give to the players. Thats the hard truth. I honestly want crytic to care more about the customers, but today, i dont see many expectations. I just only hope the game will not be dead in 2015. Because that is the way cryptic is leading the game.
  • tenkaritenkari Member Posts: 2,906 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    oh right. Poll: should we add Feature X to the game?


    Yes: 50%
    No: 50%


    if company's only put in what the player wanted, the company would never make any money. (many people loathe the lockboxes.... one of STOs main funding sources) lets face it, while some features aren't that welcome by some, others absolutely love them, it's completely impossible to please everyone all the time.
  • decroniadecronia Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    twg042370 wrote: »
    Dev "We have plans to do A"

    Player "Yay! A!"

    months later

    Dev "We couldn't do A for various reasons. Most of which are business related and we don't have the freedom to go into it."

    Player "Die in a fire."

    And that's why they don't tell us these things any more.

    So true. Blizzard still hasn't lived down the dance studio thing. It still comes up on the forums years later.
  • bobbydazlersbobbydazlers Member Posts: 4,535 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    LOL. At first i thought this was another joke-kind sort of post.

    Cryptic NEVER info the players on whats going on. They only heads up 1 or 2 weeks before they release something.

    They never info the players on what is the status of the -fixing bugs- part. Mostly because they just dont want to fix bugs, and they dont have any info to give to the players. Thats the hard truth. I honestly want crytic to care more about the customers, but today, i dont see many expectations. I just only hope the game will not be dead in 2015. Because that is the way cryptic is leading the game.

    you want to try reading the release notes every Thursday, may be a little late in the day as it just going out but this is the closest you will get to upcoming changes, and it is most surprising to see the lists of all the bug fixes they have made some I knew of some which I had no idea about but then I suspect a game like sto will never be 100% bug free.
    but its like I said in another comment, if everyone spent the next 3 months posting nothing but complaints about the bugs they hate the most the next big update would likely be nothing but bug fixes but they don't all they harp on about is what content they want to see next.

    When I think about everything we've been through together,

    maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,

     and if that journey takes a little longer,

    so we can do something we all believe in,

     I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.

  • johngazmanjohngazman Member Posts: 2,826 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    You can also read the Tribble patch notes for advance warning of what's coming out.

    But that said, I do think they need to be a bit more open and communicate more. For example, D'Angelo dropped the news that there was a new PvE event coming, similar to the CE event, in his first interview. Yet still no news as to when it's coming out, even with the Grindiversary ending on Thursday.
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  • szerontzurszerontzur Member Posts: 2,724 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    Community directed development almost always ends horribly. It's important for a development team to listen to feedback, but not be controlled by it.

    The best way for you to 'vote' on things, as a customer, is with your wallet and participation. If you buy something, you're saying "Please sell me more of this!". If you complain about a mechanic, but still log on to play it each day, you're saying "I am willing to do this content, even if I don't like it." If you don't make purchases and ignore an aspect of the game entirely, PvP for example, you're saying "I am not interested in this, spend your development and marketing time elsewhere."


    As for upcoming news, follow the podcasts. Al and D'angelo gave away a ton of information recently about what the team is planning and working on for the months ahead.
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