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Cryptic show some love for the B'rel and change its console layout ?
doctorstegi
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I m not asking for much but the B'rel is the only KDF ship with an andvanced Battlecloak. It can not compete by any means with the T'Varo for various reasons even though the B'rel has all universal BO's.
Why am I whining about the B'rel ?
You give the agressive tac oriented Klingons ships which haven't made much sense since the beginning of this game.
The B'rel is raider call it a hit and run ship if you must however the fleet version has 4 eng consoles while by any sense of what the Klingons are like it should be 4 tac consoles. By all the ships out there its not a balance issue its a common sense issue. Not much people play a B'rel anymore in pvp because they rarely stand a chance against anything else people fly. The raider bonus joke will not change the fact that the B'rel needs love and is otherwhise underpowered.
I m serious Cryptic what genius thought that a Bird of Prey needs 4 eng consoles ? You guys think that ship is suppose to be a tank or something like that ?
So maybe just maybe look into this matter and change it. I find it a joke to begin with that the fleet version takes a T5 Starbase Military while better ships can be purchased in lower Tiers.
The B'rel needs love...
Why am I whining about the B'rel ?
You give the agressive tac oriented Klingons ships which haven't made much sense since the beginning of this game.
The B'rel is raider call it a hit and run ship if you must however the fleet version has 4 eng consoles while by any sense of what the Klingons are like it should be 4 tac consoles. By all the ships out there its not a balance issue its a common sense issue. Not much people play a B'rel anymore in pvp because they rarely stand a chance against anything else people fly. The raider bonus joke will not change the fact that the B'rel needs love and is otherwhise underpowered.
I m serious Cryptic what genius thought that a Bird of Prey needs 4 eng consoles ? You guys think that ship is suppose to be a tank or something like that ?
So maybe just maybe look into this matter and change it. I find it a joke to begin with that the fleet version takes a T5 Starbase Military while better ships can be purchased in lower Tiers.
The B'rel needs love...
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-Leonard Nimoy, RIP
Regardless, this is the standard, and it's not gonna change for any ship any time soon I'm afraid.
Maybe use that extra Engineering console to try and improve your own survivability? Maybe with a damage resistance console or something? That's probably gonna be as good as it gets here.
if it does not work, use the ship as a torpedo, if it works the warriors are honored for bringing victory.
Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
I agree that more or less quiet a few ships need some updates in terms of BO layout or console layout and i know the only reason why that is not under consideration is the money they make with the OP layout Lockbox Ships. So baicly money over balance. But you can't blame me for trying who knows maybe they will bring updated ships in the future for purchase or lockboxes so that they can at least make some money on it and we can fly ships we actually like not just in PVE missions.
In the words of the famous Klingon Battle Maiden O'Prah: "YOUR FAMILY RECEIVES HONOR AND YOUR FAMILY RECEIVES HONOR. EVERYBODY'S FAMILIES RECEIVES GREAT HONOOOOOOOR!"
-Leonard Nimoy, RIP
Well if i m not mistaken the T'Varo has a 333 layout and get an extra Tac Console slot.
I think its a few ships who get extra tac or science consoles. Its cruisers who usually get an extra eng console not raiders or escorts. But yeah I could have made that post a year ago I just recently started missing flying a BoP. All my major KDF toons went into retirement because of the lag of KDF ships they can use in a meaningful way.
Given that the T'varo receives the same enhanced cloak plus a 2-console set that directly enhances torpedo damage and reload timer it would be fair to 'up' the B'rel to equivalent level.
For this, I suggest a single tier-5 zstore console to be added to the B'rel (not the fleet version) that gives the B'rel an ability that matches in functionality the FOUR benefits that the T'varo receives with its 2-consoles & set bonuses.
Console: Enhanced battle cloak grants torpedo bonuses based on ship's weapon power settings. These bonuses become linked to the enhanced cloak. Literally, when the ship decloaks these bonuses are triggered.
Weapon Power: Increases torpedo and mine damage by X% per 1 point of power for a max of 15% bonus @ 125 power setting. Bonus damage buff duration is 10 seconds.
Shield Power: Increases HP on Destructible projectiles (heavy torpedoes and mines) by 25% max @ 125 shield power. Buff is permanent upon projectile launch.
Engine Power: Like the above, except it increases the travel speed and defense of destructible torps/mines up to 2x @ 125 engine. Buff is permanent upon projectile launch.
Aux Power: Aux power increases the duration of secondary effect of the projectile weapon. All dots, stuns, slow, etc receive bonus of up to 2x duration @ 125 aux power
I would like to point out, that when STO released, there was no playable, endgame B'Rel.
Yes, yes, I know... the KDF pulled something off on the devs :cool:
I've been trying for over 3 years to get them to do something like they did with the t'varo for the b'rel but unless this new EP/returning EP gets the KDF where we can have some canon uniqueness since most of our content we play has to rely on not Klingon type content but reputation gear of borg, tholians, romulan, etc to try to simulate canon.
Anyways glad to hear more voices on this front but lets hope they have learned from their mistakes
When used together they can give a buff of;
+10% torpedo damage
- 33% reduction on fire and recloak effect of ABC.
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DISHONOR ON YOU, DISHONOR ON YO' COW...
But seriously the B'rel shouldn't even be in this game. It's a hundred and fifty years old. Let it rest.
It was given a 4th engineering slot to give it a touch more survivability since that?s what players were complaining about.
Its already getting the new flank buff what more do you want?
Alright, here goes: While the added Engineering console was a weird choice to say the least, I think you're overvaluing the bonus from a single Tac console. The damage boost from a single tac console, while it helps, isn't going to make or break the B'rel. Granted, the value of Tac consoles has gone up with the Spire consoles adding CritD and CritH, but these can be covered with a single extra universal console in the Engineering slot.
In the end, I would've valued an extra Sci console much more than an Engineering one, because of all the Sciency wonder a cloaked torpedo B'rel can pull out. 4x Grav Gen Gravity Wells are fun. Besides, it'd fill a gap in the line-up of Raiders more than an Engineering console. Hoh'sus is the tactical bird, B'rel could've - and in my humble opinion should've - filled a science gap in our layout.
I've flown, and still fly, a B'rel since F2P. While it's a weaker ship to bring into an Arena fight - which it always has been, mind you - it's still a fine ship to go hunting with in Ker'rat or Cap and Hold. I see quite a few players in the Fleet B'rel in there. It's a ship that just works nicely with a wingman. If you're a tac captain? Bring a sci wingman. Sci? Tac.
Like I said earlier: I agree it's an odd choice. However, it gives you a little room to play with. I've been derping around with an EptE1/Aux2Damp/EptS3 B'rel with 4x Fleet RCS for a while. It's a fun little spin-around ship. Warning: do not fly if prone to dizzyness.
Also, Engineering slots are not just for armour. What's that, you say? Well, my hit-and-run B'rel actually flies around without armor and makes good use of those extra engineering slots to boost damage even further. I can pretty much slot all the sexy universal consoles I like. You're not staying in the fight anyway, are you? Also, armor has massive diminishing returns, so slot something else.
The T5 prerequisite is a bit silly, I agree. However, plenty of T5 starbases around already. Join a Public Service channel and grab your Fleet B'rel for free.
I'm actually just fine with the place the B'rel is in right now. It's damage, while lower than the T'varo's (I'm looking at you, Romulan Bridge Officers) is still just fine. With all Universal Slots, you can put all kinds of sexyness on your B'rel. It's a bit of a jack-of-all-trades, not a straight up Tac ship.
Let me ask you a question: If you're running it like a hit-and-run vessel - as you should :P -, what is your spec/build? Pulling 70k BO3 crits with it right now on a regular basis, with just +beam damage consoles (Sexy, sexy Proton Barrage). Spike damage is in such an overpowered spot right now, the added tac console would just be lost in the string of vapes.
Short Answer: B'rel is fine. Engineering console is fine. It's an iconic sexy ship. Klingon Warriors make do with what they get, and don't whine about it.
You can see how their thinking about things "matured" a bit as more ships were introduced.
They have?!?
where it'll likely stay... in less the feds get it... then we'll get it two weeks after they do
if I stop posting it doesn't make you right it. just means I don't have enough rum to continue interacting with you.
more or less, in less just cause I said that it turns out it is coming in the next patch or season
if I stop posting it doesn't make you right it. just means I don't have enough rum to continue interacting with you.
/yo dawg, i heard you like B'rels, so i put a B'rel in yo B'rel!
IKS Korrasami (Fleet B'rel Bird of Prey Retrofit T5-U)
Yep my dream a b'rel with 10 hangers, flanking, and 10 tactical consoles.
The bigger things IMHO is the BOP is down 1 weapon and has significantly weaker shields and hull. I would much rather see those two things equalized than move a console from e to t.
edit ^^^ tvaro comparison response to the orig post. Also, FWIW I have tanked in the tvaro with my eng. Even squishy ships are fine in PVE.