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luvsto1701
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I have recently started posting on these forums and I wish I hadn't come here.
What I have recently discovered is that the devs do not listen, they do not care, and they are not going to change anything.
There are so many posts asking for the refine dil cap removal and they won't do it. There are many posts everywhere asking for restrictions to be lifted on male clothing pieces, ships we will never see, changing colors of our visual weapons ship/ground.
New innovations and some outstanding foundry expanding ideas that sound amazing, left unanswered.
This is not the Cryptic team mentality that I fell in love with from City of Heroes. Those guys provided freedom and choices.
Is it all some PWE mentality now that I never saw coming?
Most MMOs have a Dev tracker section and you can see where Devs are listening, it's disabled on these forums?
I guess I have been fighting it too long and between the lack of Devs caring and the outstanding forum trolls here, I just really feel like this whole situation has become an oppressive environment.
Does anyone else feel like this?
What I have recently discovered is that the devs do not listen, they do not care, and they are not going to change anything.
There are so many posts asking for the refine dil cap removal and they won't do it. There are many posts everywhere asking for restrictions to be lifted on male clothing pieces, ships we will never see, changing colors of our visual weapons ship/ground.
New innovations and some outstanding foundry expanding ideas that sound amazing, left unanswered.
This is not the Cryptic team mentality that I fell in love with from City of Heroes. Those guys provided freedom and choices.
Is it all some PWE mentality now that I never saw coming?
Most MMOs have a Dev tracker section and you can see where Devs are listening, it's disabled on these forums?
I guess I have been fighting it too long and between the lack of Devs caring and the outstanding forum trolls here, I just really feel like this whole situation has become an oppressive environment.
Does anyone else feel like this?
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Right now they are under PWE authority and many things depend on what PWE wants, the devs may want one thing and PWE may come and say no now, put it in the back burner.
Not things regarding the T5 Constitution-class, which is a decision they're not allowed to make, no.
As for feeling defeated; No, I don't. With the exception of the grind for the Dyson ships, which I feel was badly handled, the Devs listen pretty well on most things.
There it is.
Watch out for tacofangs. He bites. I don't know if he has had his shots.
This game is made in a commercial world, which means that Cryptic in this case has to make money out of this game. The more money is given, the more developers / developing hours can be spend in this game.
Do you know anything about programming? It's rather... complex.
To keep the money rolling, they have to create something new every time. This needs development time. Have you've seem the Dyson ships dev blog? I believe they started working on S8.5 about 6 months in advance. Even if they want to, they couldn't just "put something in the game" without upsetting people (OP/UP), the economy or just creating new bugs.
Like the dil cap removal; you want to know why they don't do it? It's called throttling. If they don't do this, too much dil will enter the market which in turn makes dil nearly worthless (more dil for less zen means that less zen would be bought for the same amount of dil with the current price). By throttling this they can keep the player coming back. When it all goes too slow, well, the player can always pay for zen.
See? It's about the money,
I call it, the Stoutes paradox.
You are being fooled by the vast MINORITY of players that are complainers. The Developers cant put in every wished for item nor can they work on every requested feature, they have to plan things out over a long term. And they cant deviate from this general plan without losing their way in making the game. So you arent going to get your T5 Constitution class, or your boots to click as you walk down the hall. You might get some things you want, you might get some bugs fixed, but these game are played out over the long haul, the developers have a long range plan they have to follow or the game becomes just a mess.
Example, there was one game that kept adding features and making changes that the game never got released. And the company, a major software gaming company, failed because of it.
There have been a lot of times that peoples feed back from the forums has been listened to and changes made because of it. But for the times that doesn't happen, well we don't know what is going on behind the scenes. There maybe very good reasons why they don't.
PWE/Cryptic want to make a game that is both fun for the player and profitable for them and that is a sometimes a very fine line to walk, so no not everything that the players want can (or sometimes even should) make it into the game.
R.I.P. Leonard Nimoy
That's not to say that Cryptic run the forums very well mind you. Their could be a whole lot more interaction from their end, along with an occasional admittance of poor decisions, or justifications of Cryptic's official stance on whatever.
Take off the rose-colored glasses, City of Heroes wasn't some nirvana of dev-player interaction either. You're just remembering it that way due to nostalgia.
Just because a lot of players say they want something, that doesn't make it a good idea.
Remove the dil cap? The game is a for profit game, in spite of the free with transactions model. If you could refine 50k dil a day or whatever, there would be no reason to ever buy anything. One of 2 things would have to happen if the dil cap were removed: either the ability to get dil in game would be nerfed to death (instead of 1500 per quest, it would become 100 per, or less!) OR they would remove the dil exchange (no longer able to convert to zen). I like it the way it is, given those alternatives. I would point to Lotro as an example: 2 hours of work gets you 15 (average) turbine points (about like zen). The last thing I bought in their store was about 2000 TP.... do the math.
Cosmetic bugs and changes are lower priority than actual content. This is not barbie online, where playing dress up dolls is the main theme. It is important, and they add some costumes and work on it some, but its not the end all goal of the game. Here again, its a choice, would you rather play dolls, or see some new areas and quests? If I have to pick, I say more quests, less clothing. Hopefully a mix of both, but resources are finite.
The other suggestions, I am sure they read them. I would bet you that over 4 years any number of suggestions have made the way, in whole or in part, into the game. But they cannot do every random idea that players have, first because a lot of the ideas are not really very good and second because they have only so many man hours per year to do things.
My advice is rather than get upset over it, lower your expectations a bit (stop expecting the dil cap removal or addition of ships that cryptic can't afford to license from the trek copyright owners) and continue to make useful suggestions in hopes that some of the stir the creative juices for the devs. The one thing I can assure you of is that someone is reading... its rare, but you get a detailed reply now and then. Just this week a detailed reply on how things work was posted in response to a question... rare, but someone out there is reading it.
Note that the Dev Tracker here only works if you're logged in (since it's based on the search function, which requires login), and you can't go to previous pages due to how the search unfortunately works.
@STO_DevTracker is a Twitter bot that serves as an unofficial replacement.
That's a terrible idea. There are people out the with millions in unrefined ore. If they could cash all those in, say goodbye to the Dil exchange, as prices would increase a hundred-fold overnight, and I suspect Dil prices everywhere else in the game would skyrocket as well. The 8k limit is there to provide balance, and it may not be pretty, but it does so.
Some people just can't take no for an answer.
Defending The Galaxy By Breaking One Starfleet Regulation After The Next.
2nd dilith if there uped the cap to 10k say the exchange price would just go up its players that set the price.
3rd trust me there do take in to account what we think at one point thaere took dilith out of stf rewards. We the forum uses got 2/3ish of it put back. There took away fleet marks a reward for foundry missions. We the forum uses complained n all fleet mark missions got the amount put up by i think its the base amount of 30 marks.
Some devs do care about this game e,g branflakes n tacofangs both play this game taco comes on my fleets chat channel RedditChat.
Dont expect changes over night the new boss of sto ssid he wonts bugs stamped ob give him chance to prove him self.
Yes devs do silly things sometimes n i will join in with the forum uses n nor hold back. But when there do something right e,g the new mission i say thanks loved it.
veterans of a certain #of days can refine an extra 1k dil.
Fleet dil mines also got an extra 500 a day, its not a lot, but it does allow people to refine a little more.
They don't chip in on everything.. they can't, not and still be able to do dev work.
And it is a business. No make money? No product. They are going to structure the game in such a way as to maximize its earning potential. The parent company (PWI) has a good deal of experience pushing that to just beyond the edge of irritation. Oh well, if you don't play, you can't "win" (and defining "win" is different for every customer)
Many wish they would be a bit more forthcoming on a lot of topics and points raised on the forums. Me included.
You MUST be logged into the forums for the Dev tracker to work properly. If your logged in and it's still not working, check your forum settings. Likely you've got something out of whack.
The devs do have to prioritize on what they do... New content is always number one on the list. Bug stomping is number 2. Feedback to customers is at best number 3. Everything else comes after...
It wasn't, true.
It did, however, feature quite a lot of back and forth interaction between developers and community managers communicating feedback thoroughly.
We seem to lack that. Just a tad.
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
Just because you don't see replies does not mean the devs do not read through what is here. There is alot of creativity here and the people here can debate a topic from more angles than a dozen devs in a conference room for an hour. They would be foolish to ignore that resource. And I for one do not think they are foolish.
And like others have said. They can't respond to every comment. It is just not feasible.
My best suggestion. Go, login to the game and play. Enjoy the feel of the game. Then come band and look at these forums as a mostly separate entity. It is Star Trek. But it is not really STO as a whole.
(Oh and ask people how the original Fed tutorial went versus the new one. Or how many here were irked about Tovan, so the fed equivalent was made removable so you would not have that issue. They always listen. They just don't always say when they are responding.)
Originally Posted by pwlaughingtrendy
Network engineers are not ship designers.
Nor should they be. Their ships would look weird.
As much as we all want to believe our voice isn't being heard if the changes we wish for aren't materializing, some things aren't going to change.
I've only played a short while, but..as far as the dil cap, I could only imagine the havoc that would wreak on the dill->zen->dil economy.
Also, our voices are one among many. Changes that seem to be widely supported in our own subjective experiences may not be supported game wide.
I wouldn't take it personal, and I would enjoy things for what they are at present.
http://youtu.be/a8pgVIhboi0
And considering how much abuse they risk may wading through our troll-infested whine bar, it really is amazing how much they interact with us.
If you start to feel defeated, log off the forums, log in to the game, play and have fun. That's how you win.
...Oh, baby, you know, I've really got to leave you / Oh, I can hear it callin 'me / I said don't you hear it callin' me the way it used to do?...
- Anne Bredon
Just because they have reviewed your ideas and rejected them, not responded, or not implemented doesn' mean they haven't been looked at and considered.
Not to mention, a lot of ideas out here in Forum land tend to benefit one faction/class/playstyle over another. So you might be asking for X, but the next guy is asking for the complete opposite... both can't be implemented.
Finally there as pointed out above, this is a business that has expenses, and needs revenue to keep the lights on at ESD. Each and every idea they consider has to be weighed for cost benefit.
Star Trek Online, Now with out the Trek....
You're joking, or thinking you're joking, but frankly, quite a few people seem to be of that exact mindset.
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Actually, I don't think he is joking... I've seen the posts here myself... "I don't play anymore but I know without a shadow of a doubt thae game is DOOOOOOMMMMMMMED" or something to that effect.
Star Trek Online, Now with out the Trek....
1 - PWE owns them, thus they lack freedom on the "business" side.
2 - CBS owns the ST franchise, thus they lack freedom on the "creative/artisitic" side.
TBH i am pretty amazed at what they managed to do so far with their right hand shackled by Atari/PWE and the left one by CBS.
Devs do post here and they do listen. There is a Dev Tracker forum - and I have no idea how you could miss it right there near the top of the forum. In fact there is a thread around here right now talking about how much the Devs have recently been posting and answering questions.
You do need to keep in mind that you cannot suggest something on Monday and expect the Dev team to drop everything and do what you want. There is an entire chain of command that needs to be gone through starting with a Dev reading it on this forum and stretching all the way to CBS approving it. Suggestions can take weeks to implement - and many of them are never implemented because what you want might not be what is best for the game or what the Devs have planned for the coming months. You see, they don't just make it up day-by-day. They are planned out 6-12 months in advance.
Due to turnover on staff, a lot of the code really can't be tinkered with effectively. So changes can't happen because the people who created it aren't there and the people who are there may break more than they fix, so change is slow and tiny.
Those guys are long gone.