Definitely playing less. The grind is really getting bad. I never completed the Nukara rep, my Klingon got bored of the Romulan rep and now Dyson rep? It's really more a job than a game now. And one that is slowly but surely becoming way too repetitive and boring...
I love my Klingon Dyson destroyer but I fear it will not be enough to keep be interested. Also, in the new FE there was a point where they were mentioning a Voth scientist had joined my crew and I had no idea what they were talking about. I then learned from a guildy that it was something that had to do with T5 Dyson rep... It didn't make sense to me and I'm sure it didn't make sense for a lot of people. I have not even completed T1. I don't know when (and if) I will ever complete T5.
I also skipped the Winter and Anniversay events grind. I used my lobi to get my anniversay ship. I didn't like the ceramic look at first but it is growing on me. But I would still prefer a more Klingon feel to it.
On a side note, I started playing Neverwinter last week. Good job Cryptic! I love the game. When the grind gets to bad I just log into Neverwinter.
I have been playing less for quite a while - it has nothing to do with 8.5, but rather over the last 6ish months. In the past I would grind-out my 20-25,000 Dilithium and then go and do something else for an hour or two each day. Then I dropped to just doing my Dilithium grind. Now I'm just doing my Dilithium grind and QMendation grind and that is it.
The 6-10 minutes it takes me to do QMendations is not upsetting to me in the least. The lack of new mission content is what is keeping me out of the game.
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
Two weeks???? reality check: bonus marks was only a 20% boost. It was the difference between playing 5 STFs and 6. There was no way at all to get two weeks worth of grinding done in an hour that way. So yeah, it is very untruthful to say that the lack of bonus marks makes STFs pointless. It might be true that you choose not to play them now, but that's on you.
Granted, their comment about something that could be done in an hour, instead of two weeks was an exaggeration. However, there are some of us that the 20% was a huge help. Removing it has hurt how quickly we can get the marks.
I am disabled, and cannot move around. I need to remain on my back all the time. So, I got to spend a lot of time in the game. I would do the hourly events, not just the marks grind, and I didn't do all of them. However, that was the only reason I was in the game during the weeks. There was something to do.
Between the events that I liked, I would play around, and sometimes even goof off. But, I was just wasting time till the next event came around.
Now, they have removed the hourly events, and put them on weekends. So, I am waiting till then to get on and play.
I went from spending hours on end in the game, to just getting on in the weekends (which I was getting on then anyway), and doing my rep grind, then leave. There is nothing to keep my interest for the 9+ days between grinds. And I added the + in there, because if they do a weekend event I don't need to grind through to do, then I will most likely not get on then.
[Also, I have noticed something with the weekend events. They start on Thursdays. Since they do their patches on Thursday, if there is an unforeseen problem with the patch, will they consider extending whatever weekend event for that weekend, so that those that were not able to play it would have another chance, or do they just suffer through. That was just a thought I had.]
I can understand that for you, the change might be an improvement. However, just because it hurts our gameplay, it doesn't mean that it makes it "untruthful" when we say it does hurt our gameplay.
Tim.
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As this is Steam you get the number of co-current players, rather than total players in a day. So getting people to play for longer in a sitting will increase the number co-current players. Also this is people using Steam and there may be shift to Steam prior to Arc coming out.
Two weeks???? reality check: bonus marks was only a 20% boost. It was the difference between playing 5 STFs and 6. There was no way at all to get two weeks worth of grinding done in an hour that way. So yeah, it is very untruthful to say that the lack of bonus marks makes STFs pointless. It might be true that you choose not to play them now, but that's on you.
Borg Set Example.
96k dilithium for three pieces plus assimiliated console and cutting beam at 30k dilithium, roughly 240k XP, and 5000 omega mark.
Doing two Borg STf's I can do 230 marks in 10 minutes doing that on the hourly event. So i do it 4 times a day, easy, getting 1000+ marks a day.
Now getting dilithium is trickier but running Crystalline Catastrophe , Borg stf's, and nimbus. You can do this for 3 characters during the bonus hour, its easy to get 270 nukara marks. Get another 30 nukara marks.Do this with 3 characters to make 24k dilithum per day.
Now run the mirror universe several times with elite built players. 2 or 3 hour runs will net you 300k+ plus XP
Any good build and team can complete any STF in minutes except the hive.
What you think is impossible is possible. You'll have enougth left over to put all fleet weapons on a ship.
In less then a week. I don't know how easy it would be now.
96k dilithium for three pieces plus assimiliated console and cutting beam at 30k dilithium, roughly 240k XP, and 5000 omega mark.
Doing two Borg STf's I can do 230 marks in 10 minutes doing that on the hourly event. So i do it 4 times a day, easy, getting 1000+ marks a day.
Now getting dilithium is trickier but running Crystalline Catastrophe , Borg stf's, and nimbus. You can do this for 3 characters during the bonus hour, its easy to get 270 nukara marks. Get another 30 nukara marks.Do this with 3 characters to make 24k dilithum per day.
Now run the mirror universe several times with elite built players. 2 or 3 hour runs will net you 300k+ plus XP
Any good build and team can complete any STF in minutes except the hive.
What you think is impossible is possible. You'll have enougth left over to put all fleet weapons on a ship.
In less then a week. I don't know how easy it would be now.
My point was that even without the events that can be done in a week. The event only makes it a little faster. It doesn't even make it 20% faster when you consider that it only boosts your acquisition rate of one resource at a time..
My point was that even without the events that can be done in a week. The event only makes it a little faster. It doesn't even make it 20% faster when you consider that it only boosts your acquisition rate of one resource at a time..
If you are filling two or more resources at a time. One resource get all marks, other all dilihium, and other all XP. I do it that way.
This is one of my builds. Its not accurate because I changed Boff to boost abilities. I also have weapons for faster DPS and more damage in PVP. So, I can play a 5 person STF with only 1 more person. Making it a 2 person a STF. The bonus console or weapons from it. I can sell high for EC. Doing this in the hourly event.
I want the Dyson ship but otherwise I've been playing less. Kind of bored/depressed when I go into the game...not the way I should feel lol.
Same here.
I'm going online to refresh the big Dyson projects on the last chars that still need to reach T5 each day (I already have the commendations), but that's pretty much it.
gotta say less. session 8 Dyson got old fast. 8.5 and the grind for the new ship only has me popping on for 10 minutes or so. im sure once we got the ship we would grind for gear etc.
More. Only because after the winter event ended I really didn't play and now I'm getting this ship. Now you have to wait for an event to play the game otherwise there is nothing to do. Apparently that is what D'Angelo wants because is supposed to make it more fun for us and more money for them. How? who knows.
That depressing feeling you get when a beloved IP gets slaughtered by a Chinese company and their American cronies for the sake of making an extra dollar. I just login every few days and doff away. No point in grinding for a subpar ship or trying to find mini q's or pick the right present. That and event weekends...
So yeah, MUCH less.
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That depressing feeling you get when a beloved IP gets slaughtered by a Chinese company and their American cronies for the sake of making an extra dollar. I just login every few days and doff away. No point in grinding for a subpar ship or trying to find mini q's or pick the right present. That and event weekends...
So yeah, MUCH less.
While I understand how you feel, I also believe us the players are partly to blame for the direction the game has gone. We continue to play the game even when we don't like what we are doing. We are running the corporate rat race in game for the next best shiny even if we probably wont use it.
Unfortunately it's not Star Trek in the real world and greed abounds and so to change something we have to show them our discontent with the current direction. If the metrics (us playing a certain mission, etc) show something is making them more money and more people are playing more hours every month then it is likely to continue.
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While I understand how you feel, I also believe us the players are partly to blame for the direction the game has gone. We continue to play the game even when we don't like what we are doing. We are running the corporate rat race in game for the next best shiny even if we probably wont use it.
Well, i'm running that particular rat race less and spending a lot less (zero)
I'm assuming that if I'm not utterly alone in that change to my behaviour Cryptic may notice some rustling in the metric jimmies in a while.
Too late to do any good, of course, but eventually.
Well, i'm running that particular rat race less and spending a lot less (zero)
I'm assuming that if I'm not utterly alone in that change to my behaviour Cryptic may notice some rustling in the metric jimmies in a while.
Too late to do any good, of course, but eventually.
Yeah me too.. I'm curious to see what it will be like after everyone has their ships in another 10 days and doesn't have an event to sign in for during the week.
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The loss of hourly events has significantly cut my interest in playing during the week days. I basically will log in ATM to get my Romulan 4 year anniversary ship with Qs party time, maybe a reputation and doff cycle and thats the lot. I used to look at the event calendar and see if bonus marks was coming up soon and if so would hang around till the end of that, but without that being there, there is little to no reason to play except on bonus weekends for either dilithium or Marks. And that now appears to only be 1 weekend a month at best. I think your going to see a massive exodus of players through the weekdays.
What about people that work on weekends that play STO, their pretty much screwed now. I'm sorry but the loss of a daily opportunity to gain bonus marks or dilithium is a big slap in the face of a paying customer as far as I am concerned. It has already effected my renewal plans as have dropped for the first time in years my subscription and will just endure the limitations of free to play because i see no added benift anymore to being a subscriber and I am unwilling to reward a company that made such a bad choice for punishing those that do not play the way THEY want them to. As in only on the weekends evidently... Its already resulted in most veteran players hardly doing STFs at all during the weekdays. just try to get a Vortex Elite or Onslought going during the day. its an endless Queue. even longer for mantrap or into the hive. I was in for 4 hours queueing for a mantrap just yesterday and never hit one. NOT ONE! Under the old system during bonus marks we could AT LEAST get a run or two (on different character) in during bonus marks. Now forget about it.
My point was that even without the events that can be done in a week. The event only makes it a little faster. It doesn't even make it 20% faster when you consider that it only boosts your acquisition rate of one resource at a time..
What I find amusing in your "it's only 20%" arguments (that you repeat non-stop) is that you truly seem to only see one single 20% , and to you that is a really small fry (apparently) .
To me the 20% Bonus was not one single static number , but a whole lot of collection of 20%'s .
How many ?
Well let's see ... , if I was really in the mood to grind , that would be most Fleet Mark missions x 4 , with 4 different characters , in one hour . (I could pull 5 , but why brag)
So to me , if I multiply that with say ... one 3 hour Bonus Mark Event off the Calendar , the math looks like 20% x 4 x 3 = 240% of additional Fleet Marks .
And that is from ONE Bonus Mark Event .
On any given day , there were either 2 or 3 of those .
That's either 480% or 720% . Surely still small fries ... to you maybe .
So if you "markhawkman" want to delude yourself (and us) that you're going to make the same amount of Fleet Marks in a 5 day Weekend that comes every 1-2 months (at best) like you could do with the Bonus Mark Event off the Calendar -- you go ahead .
Since you obviously spend a great time on the forums (instead of the game) , I'll just rely on my math , and not your "but it's just 20% guys ..." whining .
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I love my Klingon Dyson destroyer but I fear it will not be enough to keep be interested. Also, in the new FE there was a point where they were mentioning a Voth scientist had joined my crew and I had no idea what they were talking about. I then learned from a guildy that it was something that had to do with T5 Dyson rep... It didn't make sense to me and I'm sure it didn't make sense for a lot of people. I have not even completed T1. I don't know when (and if) I will ever complete T5.
I also skipped the Winter and Anniversay events grind. I used my lobi to get my anniversay ship. I didn't like the ceramic look at first but it is growing on me. But I would still prefer a more Klingon feel to it.
On a side note, I started playing Neverwinter last week. Good job Cryptic! I love the game. When the grind gets to bad I just log into Neverwinter.
The 6-10 minutes it takes me to do QMendations is not upsetting to me in the least. The lack of new mission content is what is keeping me out of the game.
Granted, their comment about something that could be done in an hour, instead of two weeks was an exaggeration. However, there are some of us that the 20% was a huge help. Removing it has hurt how quickly we can get the marks.
I am disabled, and cannot move around. I need to remain on my back all the time. So, I got to spend a lot of time in the game. I would do the hourly events, not just the marks grind, and I didn't do all of them. However, that was the only reason I was in the game during the weeks. There was something to do.
Between the events that I liked, I would play around, and sometimes even goof off. But, I was just wasting time till the next event came around.
Now, they have removed the hourly events, and put them on weekends. So, I am waiting till then to get on and play.
I went from spending hours on end in the game, to just getting on in the weekends (which I was getting on then anyway), and doing my rep grind, then leave. There is nothing to keep my interest for the 9+ days between grinds. And I added the + in there, because if they do a weekend event I don't need to grind through to do, then I will most likely not get on then.
[Also, I have noticed something with the weekend events. They start on Thursdays. Since they do their patches on Thursday, if there is an unforeseen problem with the patch, will they consider extending whatever weekend event for that weekend, so that those that were not able to play it would have another chance, or do they just suffer through. That was just a thought I had.]
I can understand that for you, the change might be an improvement. However, just because it hurts our gameplay, it doesn't mean that it makes it "untruthful" when we say it does hurt our gameplay.
Tim.
http://steamgraph.net/index.php?action=graph&jstime=1&appid=9900&from=1359936000000&to=1391472000000
As this is Steam you get the number of co-current players, rather than total players in a day. So getting people to play for longer in a sitting will increase the number co-current players. Also this is people using Steam and there may be shift to Steam prior to Arc coming out.
Borg Set Example.
96k dilithium for three pieces plus assimiliated console and cutting beam at 30k dilithium, roughly 240k XP, and 5000 omega mark.
Doing two Borg STf's I can do 230 marks in 10 minutes doing that on the hourly event. So i do it 4 times a day, easy, getting 1000+ marks a day.
Now getting dilithium is trickier but running Crystalline Catastrophe , Borg stf's, and nimbus. You can do this for 3 characters during the bonus hour, its easy to get 270 nukara marks. Get another 30 nukara marks.Do this with 3 characters to make 24k dilithum per day.
Now run the mirror universe several times with elite built players. 2 or 3 hour runs will net you 300k+ plus XP
Any good build and team can complete any STF in minutes except the hive.
What you think is impossible is possible. You'll have enougth left over to put all fleet weapons on a ship.
In less then a week. I don't know how easy it would be now.
Extremely likely, in my view.
My character Tsin'xing
If you are filling two or more resources at a time. One resource get all marks, other all dilihium, and other all XP. I do it that way.
This is one of my builds. Its not accurate because I changed Boff to boost abilities. I also have weapons for faster DPS and more damage in PVP. So, I can play a 5 person STF with only 1 more person. Making it a 2 person a STF. The bonus console or weapons from it. I can sell high for EC. Doing this in the hourly event.
http://www.stoacademy.com/tools/skillplanner/?build=romulanfedhafehfad_4634
When I get this Romulan Dyson ship. Ill take my Haakona put it in spacedock. Equip it with the highest fleet weapons in days. Ill be set.
Even tho 20% seem low. When running 1 or 2 person STF's in a hourly. It adds up to a lot.
Same here.
I'm going online to refresh the big Dyson projects on the last chars that still need to reach T5 each day (I already have the commendations), but that's pretty much it.
That depressing feeling you get when a beloved IP gets slaughtered by a Chinese company and their American cronies for the sake of making an extra dollar. I just login every few days and doff away. No point in grinding for a subpar ship or trying to find mini q's or pick the right present. That and event weekends...
So yeah, MUCH less.
IF YOU ARE READING MY SIG - THEN YOU ARE DOING IT WRONG
While I understand how you feel, I also believe us the players are partly to blame for the direction the game has gone. We continue to play the game even when we don't like what we are doing. We are running the corporate rat race in game for the next best shiny even if we probably wont use it.
Unfortunately it's not Star Trek in the real world and greed abounds and so to change something we have to show them our discontent with the current direction. If the metrics (us playing a certain mission, etc) show something is making them more money and more people are playing more hours every month then it is likely to continue.
Lifetime Sub since June 2010
Well, i'm running that particular rat race less and spending a lot less (zero)
I'm assuming that if I'm not utterly alone in that change to my behaviour Cryptic may notice some rustling in the metric jimmies in a while.
Too late to do any good, of course, but eventually.
Yeah me too.. I'm curious to see what it will be like after everyone has their ships in another 10 days and doesn't have an event to sign in for during the week.
Lifetime Sub since June 2010
What about people that work on weekends that play STO, their pretty much screwed now. I'm sorry but the loss of a daily opportunity to gain bonus marks or dilithium is a big slap in the face of a paying customer as far as I am concerned. It has already effected my renewal plans as have dropped for the first time in years my subscription and will just endure the limitations of free to play because i see no added benift anymore to being a subscriber and I am unwilling to reward a company that made such a bad choice for punishing those that do not play the way THEY want them to. As in only on the weekends evidently... Its already resulted in most veteran players hardly doing STFs at all during the weekdays. just try to get a Vortex Elite or Onslought going during the day. its an endless Queue. even longer for mantrap or into the hive. I was in for 4 hours queueing for a mantrap just yesterday and never hit one. NOT ONE! Under the old system during bonus marks we could AT LEAST get a run or two (on different character) in during bonus marks. Now forget about it.
What I find amusing in your "it's only 20%" arguments (that you repeat non-stop) is that you truly seem to only see one single 20% , and to you that is a really small fry (apparently) .
To me the 20% Bonus was not one single static number , but a whole lot of collection of 20%'s .
How many ?
Well let's see ... , if I was really in the mood to grind , that would be most Fleet Mark missions x 4 , with 4 different characters , in one hour . (I could pull 5 , but why brag)
So to me , if I multiply that with say ... one 3 hour Bonus Mark Event off the Calendar , the math looks like 20% x 4 x 3 = 240% of additional Fleet Marks .
And that is from ONE Bonus Mark Event .
On any given day , there were either 2 or 3 of those .
That's either 480% or 720% . Surely still small fries ... to you maybe .
So if you "markhawkman" want to delude yourself (and us) that you're going to make the same amount of Fleet Marks in a 5 day Weekend that comes every 1-2 months (at best) like you could do with the Bonus Mark Event off the Calendar -- you go ahead .
Since you obviously spend a great time on the forums (instead of the game) , I'll just rely on my math , and not your "but it's just 20% guys ..." whining .