Answer: I'd chalk it up to a learning experience and not go back to that theater. Or the other one either. Getting mad after it happens is pointless if nothing is going to change immediately. I should have been observant enough in the first place to avoid wasting my money or my time. Caveat Emptor, Y'all. Eventually, both theaters will start showing a loss and either go out of business or change their operations and personnel. Neither will happen as fast as I'd like but they will happen.
But to stand outside either theater and shout angrily and loudly about and at them would be foolish. It accords them too much gravitas. There are other, far more important things in the world to get militant over. Like civil rights abuses and starving children.
And no, pwe/cryptic doesn't have a captive audience. Last time I checked, Netflix still had Star Trek on tap. The demo version of Star Trek: Armada II is still a free download as well. Past time I figured out out how to add the Physics Project to it. The other day when the servers were down, I pulled out my Bridge Commander game and installed it. Saffi is still annoying. BTW. And WileyCoyote's JJPrise mod is still just as impressive.
STO is a game, not a lifestyle choice. Getting worked up as much as some do around here over something ingame which doesn't suit them is silly. Sillier still to do so in public. Are there things in STO I don't care for? You betcha. Do I need to rain on someone else's parade here about them? Nope.
But to go back to the original topic: Do I feel appreciated? Actually, I don't care whether or not I feel appreciated. pwe/cryptic is putting out a product which I currently like. When I stop liking it, I'll stop playing. But it is their product, not mine. All I can do is vote with my money and my time on the changes they make. My feelings have nothing at all to do with it.
So then, how is someone saying that they're not giving cryptic any more money for not giving them the time of day any different than you refusing to go back to the theater for the same reason? And why would you chastise someone for something you just admitted you would do yourself?
"It's just a game, bro!" Maybe? Ironically that term was coined by the Game Producer EA.
Said NO to Arc. Gets punished by not being given a free outfit, free lobi, and free shuttle. Now forced to use Arc's site when trying to get to STO site. Still not rewards for beta testing the Arc website by force. Bravo Cryptic.
So then, how is someone saying that they're not giving cryptic any more money for not giving them the time of day any different than you refusing to go back to the theater for the same reason? And why would you chastise someone for something you just admitted you would do yourself?
"It's just a game, bro!" Maybe? Ironically that term was coined by the Game Producer EA.
I see where this is going. It has become more important to you that you are viewed as right in front of your public than anything else.
Winning or being seen as winning has become everything to you in this conversation.
Regardless of anything else.
It takes two people to have an argument. And neither this topic nor you are important enough for me to waste the energy and time to continue it.
So there. You've won. Enjoy it. Meanwhile, ima go play me some STO.
A six year old boy and his starship. Living the dream.
thunderfoot006, you obviously have not seen "where it is going" at all.
It is not about "winning" it is about "understanding" the other persons opinion and acknowledging that you understand them. Does not matter if you agree or not as long as you point out you do get why someone has that view even if you do not.
The old expression "Agree to disagree" applies.
Trying to be condescending over it ("Winning or being seen as winning has become everything to you in this conversation." and also "Caveat Emptor", using a dead language, really??) is uncalled for, reeks of a "wanna be" superiority complex and frankly, in my opinion, quite rude.
As for your theater analogy, that is a massive fail.
For a start, theater a and b... really? please tell me of another MMO based on Star Trek. (aka - only 1 theater to start with, so no other choices of where to "view" - aka, we are captive to that choice of 1 or none).
Secondly, standing outside the theater shouting (the forums) is basically all we have. No company has an email address reading "does-our-game-direction-suck@we-own-your-wallet.com"
Also, going in to the theater and making use of the Bar and its other facilities (playing other mission, doing other grinds) does not let them know you disapprove of something they are doing or have done. Just because you do not see the show, that does not send the message they messed up. Not going in to start with sends a message. Shouting outside while not going in, works well, with online games and in the real world (protests have been quite common in history - see: woman's right to vote, black equality just to name 2)
Final Note, Netflix is to "watch" Star Trek, not "play" Star Trek. This was just a pointless comparison used to pad out your post as far as I can tell. Also, are Star Trek: Armada II or Bridge Commander MMOs ? No? oh, so just a bit more padding out then as they also do not apply.
There is my thoughts on your recent posting, like it or not - I don't really care, but like you, I had a superiority complex moment and felt the need to share it :P
Considering we help make 2013 the BEST year ever for STO I am surprised how they have started to regress. But I guess we should have seen it coming, the more popular it gets the quicker they want to milk us so they just release tat and then expect us to be grateful.
Not only that but free stuff we now have to grind to get it ?!?!?!?! New FE we have to turn on underwater view so black areas in SPACE disappear, PvP shuttle arena was not even checked before release and is now under review and dont get me started on FAW !
I have had times when I have not logged in due to no desire to play but always log in for FE's and events. This time I find myself not even bothered to log in at all, it feels like clocking in at work !
They've cancelled hourly events and will put them on the weekend, with the logic of providing a chance for those who can only play then to participate. Nice.
That's their "reasoning" .
The truth is that they have turned the weekends into a "cash infusion event" that benefits only Cryptic and the removal of the Marks bonuses has hurt every player in the game .
Plus notice how barren the weekends look on the in game Calendar, and take a clue .
How appreciated do YOU feel?
Enough that a new sig was needed .
Sadly , this time my ire is not saved for Cryptic alone .
Thus my response is playing the new FE once and removing myself from any positive "statistic" that could be gained from my participation in the "festivities" .
In short , I want to hurl .
People and their grand notions of self-entitlement....really? Me me me give me give me give me. A free ship is a free ship...why does it matter if you have to earn it? If it was a handout day one it isn't like you would end up flying it on all chars and maybe not even long term. The free ships in the game die out so fast. This one at least has substance to it.
I appreciate all the work they have done in the game lately. They are developing things a lot faster and better quality now.
I think the slap in the face was the removal of the events calender. I don't see how making the players want to play less all the time but a lot 2 weekends out of a month makes any sense.
Because that's the difference between it being free, and it not being free. Literally, by the very definition of "free."
Stopped reading at that glaring logical fallacy.
Yes I know that but STO's definition of free means not using a currency to buy it, your time is what it takes. Now you can argue that time=money or Qmendations are a currency.
I don't like the F2P grind at all. It's what drove me away from the game. I started a new account with only one character and have made a promise to myself that I will only make one more so I can have one fed and one klink and that's it.
I did not do any of the summer Risa grind nor did I do any of the winter event grind last year. I'm going to take it a step further this time around and not join a fleet and not do any rep grind whatsoever. The never ending grind that is a fleet and that is the rep system is not enjoyable and like people have said in this thread turns STO into a second job and not a fun game. I think I'll be fine as I can still team up with friends and talk with them without being in a fleet.
For anyone that wants a much more Trek like gaming experience than STO should try Star Trek Deep Space 9: The Fallen on PC. It's pretty fun if you don't mine the old poo graphics.
Anyway,
Lets put Cryptic's metrics that they base their decisions on to the test. Don't do fleet grind. Don't do rep grind. Since we can't really vote with our wallets in a F2P game let's vote with our time and where we spend it.
Yes I know that but STO's definition of free means not using a currency to buy it, your time is what it takes. Now you can argue that time=money or Qmendations are a currency.
So not only are they allowed to TRIBBLE the fans whenever they feel like it, but now they're allowed to change words in the english language to suit their greeds as well?
The problem here isn't people feeling entitled, the problem is Cryptic is constantly lying to the players, or trying to take things away from them. This isn't the first time and it won't be the last. There is a difference between entitlement, and standing up for yourself, and just rolling over and taking it with a smile (which is what a lot of people are doing).
Had this been an original Cryptic game and IP, i'd say let them ruin it all they want. But this is Star Trek, who by its very fundamentals is against everything Cryptic is doing to it. To make matters worse, there has been a steady decline in quality as they try to reach out and get more money. More money, which people would gladly be shelling out if we were being given quality content, but instead, Cryptic has to resort to petty tactics that play against the love of the IP (like using Khan to get ARC out there) or forcing them to play when they want us to by locking bonus content and limiting our ability to gain resources.
The entirety of Season 8 is a complete backtracking, and 8.5 is doing nothing but pushing it harder.
For me it wasn't the way they presented this ship, it's not even the fact that it's a hybrid....It's the fact that here we are playing Season 8 a season that was to be all about Voyager, a science ship, and yet they have done nothing to fix the rest of the science skills...And I'm sorry but they've been needing to fix these skills for 2 years or more now. It's sad when you're content is all about a science ship but you can't do something to balance that class properly.
What makes it more insulting is even while playing in the mission version of the ship, I knew that they skewed the numbers on normal powers (not the ones with the character's names on them mind you) but things like Feedback Pulse which had WAY higher scores on it than the standard one with maxed out everything on normal science ships, being able to do the damage that skill should be doing to everything else in the game while on an NPC ship was a total insult to all science captains on science ships that have ever played this game.
Yes I know that but STO's definition of free means not using a currency to buy it, your time is what it takes. Now you can argue that time=money or Qmendations are a currency.
I won't bother. Trying to argue with someone who accepts STO's word that the yellow drizzle landing on them is actually rain = futility.
So not only are they allowed to TRIBBLE the fans whenever they feel like it, but now they're allowed to change words in the english language to suit their greeds as well?.
How do I feel? I feel very appreciated by the people who make this game. They could have done jack this year or any year, but they went out of their way to give us everything here. The ships, the costumes, the returning actors, everything. I'm very glad they did this.
However, you know who doesn't make me feel appreciated? The players who stamp their feet and whine and cry because the game makers are making them do more work. The people who demand that companies don't change because they can't make it work. The people who call those who defend or don't even care about these things "apologists" because how dare we have an opinion that differs from yours.
When I see those posts attacking Arc or the grind or any of that stuff without trying it, you make me feel like my fun isn't worth it. Like the only way I can have fun is if I bend to your wills. That I have to demand that everything be given away for free and that big changes should never be done.
We're all entitled to opinions, aren't we? Well, then: I feel appreciated by Cryptic and their work, but I don't feel that way with the players who act the way they do.
When I see those posts attacking Arc or the grind or any of that stuff without trying it, you make me feel like my fun isn't worth it. Like the only way I can have fun is if I bend to your wills. That I have to demand that everything be given away for free and that big changes should never be done.
We're all entitled to opinions, aren't we? Well, then: I feel appreciated by Cryptic and their work, but I don't feel that way with the players who act the way they do.
I'm glad you do feel appreciated.
I am a little confused though, as you appear to be suggesting that the very act of posting a view that differs from yours is somehow offensive.
Is not the opposite also potentially true? That by expressing your positive opinion you are forcing your view on someone else?
Or, is it perhaps better to suggest that expressing ones opinion is better than not doing so, and if someone elses expressed opinion makes you feel like agreeing with it, perhaps it has merit.
Someone who likes what Cryptic has done is no traitor, they are not playing the game wrong.
All of which is also true to those who dont like something cryptic has done.
However, the more aware cryptic is of both sorts of opinions the better, surely?
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So then, how is someone saying that they're not giving cryptic any more money for not giving them the time of day any different than you refusing to go back to the theater for the same reason? And why would you chastise someone for something you just admitted you would do yourself?
"It's just a game, bro!" Maybe? Ironically that term was coined by the Game Producer EA.
I see where this is going. It has become more important to you that you are viewed as right in front of your public than anything else.
Winning or being seen as winning has become everything to you in this conversation.
Regardless of anything else.
It takes two people to have an argument. And neither this topic nor you are important enough for me to waste the energy and time to continue it.
So there. You've won. Enjoy it. Meanwhile, ima go play me some STO.
It is not about "winning" it is about "understanding" the other persons opinion and acknowledging that you understand them. Does not matter if you agree or not as long as you point out you do get why someone has that view even if you do not.
The old expression "Agree to disagree" applies.
Trying to be condescending over it ("Winning or being seen as winning has become everything to you in this conversation." and also "Caveat Emptor", using a dead language, really??) is uncalled for, reeks of a "wanna be" superiority complex and frankly, in my opinion, quite rude.
As for your theater analogy, that is a massive fail.
For a start, theater a and b... really? please tell me of another MMO based on Star Trek. (aka - only 1 theater to start with, so no other choices of where to "view" - aka, we are captive to that choice of 1 or none).
Secondly, standing outside the theater shouting (the forums) is basically all we have. No company has an email address reading "does-our-game-direction-suck@we-own-your-wallet.com"
Also, going in to the theater and making use of the Bar and its other facilities (playing other mission, doing other grinds) does not let them know you disapprove of something they are doing or have done. Just because you do not see the show, that does not send the message they messed up. Not going in to start with sends a message. Shouting outside while not going in, works well, with online games and in the real world (protests have been quite common in history - see: woman's right to vote, black equality just to name 2)
Final Note, Netflix is to "watch" Star Trek, not "play" Star Trek. This was just a pointless comparison used to pad out your post as far as I can tell. Also, are Star Trek: Armada II or Bridge Commander MMOs ? No? oh, so just a bit more padding out then as they also do not apply.
There is my thoughts on your recent posting, like it or not - I don't really care, but like you, I had a superiority complex moment and felt the need to share it :P
Not only that but free stuff we now have to grind to get it ?!?!?!?! New FE we have to turn on underwater view so black areas in SPACE disappear, PvP shuttle arena was not even checked before release and is now under review and dont get me started on FAW !
I have had times when I have not logged in due to no desire to play but always log in for FE's and events. This time I find myself not even bothered to log in at all, it feels like clocking in at work !
That's their "reasoning" .
The truth is that they have turned the weekends into a "cash infusion event" that benefits only Cryptic and the removal of the Marks bonuses has hurt every player in the game .
Plus notice how barren the weekends look on the in game Calendar, and take a clue .
Enough that a new sig was needed .
Sadly , this time my ire is not saved for Cryptic alone .
Thus my response is playing the new FE once and removing myself from any positive "statistic" that could be gained from my participation in the "festivities" .
In short , I want to hurl .
I appreciate all the work they have done in the game lately. They are developing things a lot faster and better quality now.
I think the slap in the face was the removal of the events calender. I don't see how making the players want to play less all the time but a lot 2 weekends out of a month makes any sense.
Because that's the difference between it being free, and it not being free. Literally, by the very definition of "free."
Stopped reading at that glaring logical fallacy.
Yes I know that but STO's definition of free means not using a currency to buy it, your time is what it takes. Now you can argue that time=money or Qmendations are a currency.
I did not do any of the summer Risa grind nor did I do any of the winter event grind last year. I'm going to take it a step further this time around and not join a fleet and not do any rep grind whatsoever. The never ending grind that is a fleet and that is the rep system is not enjoyable and like people have said in this thread turns STO into a second job and not a fun game. I think I'll be fine as I can still team up with friends and talk with them without being in a fleet.
For anyone that wants a much more Trek like gaming experience than STO should try Star Trek Deep Space 9: The Fallen on PC. It's pretty fun if you don't mine the old poo graphics.
Anyway,
Lets put Cryptic's metrics that they base their decisions on to the test. Don't do fleet grind. Don't do rep grind. Since we can't really vote with our wallets in a F2P game let's vote with our time and where we spend it.
So not only are they allowed to TRIBBLE the fans whenever they feel like it, but now they're allowed to change words in the english language to suit their greeds as well?
The problem here isn't people feeling entitled, the problem is Cryptic is constantly lying to the players, or trying to take things away from them. This isn't the first time and it won't be the last. There is a difference between entitlement, and standing up for yourself, and just rolling over and taking it with a smile (which is what a lot of people are doing).
Had this been an original Cryptic game and IP, i'd say let them ruin it all they want. But this is Star Trek, who by its very fundamentals is against everything Cryptic is doing to it. To make matters worse, there has been a steady decline in quality as they try to reach out and get more money. More money, which people would gladly be shelling out if we were being given quality content, but instead, Cryptic has to resort to petty tactics that play against the love of the IP (like using Khan to get ARC out there) or forcing them to play when they want us to by locking bonus content and limiting our ability to gain resources.
The entirety of Season 8 is a complete backtracking, and 8.5 is doing nothing but pushing it harder.
What makes it more insulting is even while playing in the mission version of the ship, I knew that they skewed the numbers on normal powers (not the ones with the character's names on them mind you) but things like Feedback Pulse which had WAY higher scores on it than the standard one with maxed out everything on normal science ships, being able to do the damage that skill should be doing to everything else in the game while on an NPC ship was a total insult to all science captains on science ships that have ever played this game.
The devs should be ashamed.
I won't bother. Trying to argue with someone who accepts STO's word that the yellow drizzle landing on them is actually rain = futility.
In the eyes of the "extremely devoted," yes.
"I know it's true, 'cause PWE said so!"
However, you know who doesn't make me feel appreciated? The players who stamp their feet and whine and cry because the game makers are making them do more work. The people who demand that companies don't change because they can't make it work. The people who call those who defend or don't even care about these things "apologists" because how dare we have an opinion that differs from yours.
When I see those posts attacking Arc or the grind or any of that stuff without trying it, you make me feel like my fun isn't worth it. Like the only way I can have fun is if I bend to your wills. That I have to demand that everything be given away for free and that big changes should never be done.
We're all entitled to opinions, aren't we? Well, then: I feel appreciated by Cryptic and their work, but I don't feel that way with the players who act the way they do.
I'm glad you do feel appreciated.
I am a little confused though, as you appear to be suggesting that the very act of posting a view that differs from yours is somehow offensive.
Is not the opposite also potentially true? That by expressing your positive opinion you are forcing your view on someone else?
Or, is it perhaps better to suggest that expressing ones opinion is better than not doing so, and if someone elses expressed opinion makes you feel like agreeing with it, perhaps it has merit.
Someone who likes what Cryptic has done is no traitor, they are not playing the game wrong.
All of which is also true to those who dont like something cryptic has done.
However, the more aware cryptic is of both sorts of opinions the better, surely?