That's pretty biased lol, as far as denying the value about arguments that you don't agree with, and overblowing elements that, while certainly vary between people, still aren't as bad as you say imo.
And even if they were, it can't 'ruin' ST forever; people have been claiming that since TNG when the Enterprise-D showed up, and looked what happened. JJ Trek, whatever opinions about him or the movies, DID breathe life back into this franchise, and nothing can diminish that fact imo
And I can't take your 'more lens flares' seriously, because ST:ID toned them down somewhat compared to ST:2009
That is all I wished to say in this thread.
...actually, I think that I'm being kind of lenient. 2009 was practically unwatchable due to the lens flares, and ID was only marginally better. ID did have much better acting, but that's just because they threw in Benedict Cumberbatch, who inevitably raises the mean acting talent of whatever room he happens to be in at the moment.
Sure, JJ can't ruin Trek forever, but he sure as hell wasted a big pile of money that could've given us another Trek TV show, or a movie that was actually worth the time. Sure, he renewed interest in Star Trek (not that it needed renewing, a franchise like this, with fanboys like this, never needs renewed interest because the interest will never really wane), but he also made two overblown, poorly-written ego pieces and attempted to REWRITE TREK CANON to suit his own ego.
Seriously, the guy's worse than Steve Moffat was to Doctor Who (and no, I am still not over the Sue-ification of River Song). At least now he's bored with Trek and is heading over to ruin Star Wars even more, so hopefully CBS can get the rights back soon and give us a show or three.
I can never forgive him for calling his ego movies Star Trek. No, this will not irrevocably taint the franchise; fortunately the JJverse can be buried with a simple "oh, look, Ambassador Spock is back" episode or movie, and we can go back to our regularly scheduled timeline. It's just a massive waste of time and money spent to "sex up" Star Trek.
I still haven't forgiven JJ for New Kirk and the underwear scene in ID, and I probably never will.
In short, I find JJ Abrams to be an annoying, arrogant little poser of very little talent and very much ego. He can't plot his way out of a box and he directs like a 13 year old sneaking peeks at Playboy when he thinks nobody is watching. I personally hope that people see him for what he is very, very soon and he spends the rest of his life bagging groceries.
I also hope that they get someone with actual talent to direct the next show or movie. I mean, Renegades was better than JJ's TRIBBLE, and Renegades was basically Tim Russ (nothing against him, very cool guy) throwing all the best stuff he could think of into one giant mess. Turned out surprisingly well, though--maybe Tim Russ should direct the next Trek movie?
Or just get George Takei. He can do anything. Because, y'know, George Takei. He's just that awesome.
...actually, I think that I'm being kind of lenient. 2009 was practically unwatchable due to the lens flares, and ID was only marginally better. ID did have much better acting, but that's just because they threw in Benedict Cumberbatch, who inevitably raises the mean acting talent of whatever room he happens to be in at the moment.
Sure, JJ can't ruin Trek forever, but he sure as hell wasted a big pile of money that could've given us another Trek TV show, or a movie that was actually worth the time. Sure, he renewed interest in Star Trek (not that it needed renewing, a franchise like this, with fanboys like this, never needs renewed interest because the interest will never really wane), but he also made two overblown, poorly-written ego pieces and attempted to REWRITE TREK CANON to suit his own ego.
Seriously, the guy's worse than Steve Moffat was to Doctor Who (and no, I am still not over the Sue-ification of River Song). At least now he's bored with Trek and is heading over to ruin Star Wars even more, so hopefully CBS can get the rights back soon and give us a show or three.
I can never forgive him for calling his ego movies Star Trek. No, this will not irrevocably taint the franchise; fortunately the JJverse can be buried with a simple "oh, look, Ambassador Spock is back" episode or movie, and we can go back to our regularly scheduled timeline. It's just a massive waste of time and money spent to "sex up" Star Trek.
I still haven't forgiven JJ for New Kirk and the underwear scene in ID, and I probably never will.
In short, I find JJ Abrams to be an annoying, arrogant little poser of very little talent and very much ego. He can't plot his way out of a box and he directs like a 13 year old sneaking peeks at Playboy when he thinks nobody is watching. I personally hope that people see him for what he is very, very soon and he spends the rest of his life bagging groceries.
I also hope that they get someone with actual talent to direct the next show or movie. I mean, Renegades was better than JJ's TRIBBLE, and Renegades was basically Tim Russ (nothing against him, very cool guy) throwing all the best stuff he could think of into one giant mess. Turned out surprisingly well, though--maybe Tim Russ should direct the next Trek movie?
Or just get George Takei. He can do anything. Because, y'know, George Takei. He's just that awesome.
Well you may be right, but by all rights, interest in ST was waning since after Insurrection I believe (Nemesis almost 'killed' it, some even claim). And 'unwatchable' is a matter of opinion, as I found it interesting, but hardly drew my attention otherwise because I could see them and everything else at the same time (a years-of-being-a-gamer instinct).
Also, 'rewrite' canon isn't entirely true; he just created an alternate universe that branched off from the prime one. Remember when the Enterprise-D encountered thousands of quantum versions of itself, from different timelines existing all at once? Same thing basically, and other than Spock's disappearance and the destruction of Romulus and Remus, hardly anything has really changed the ST we all know.
JJ Trek is simply exploring a different, darker what-if path imo;
But it's okay if you don't agree; I'm just glad that you understand this movie hasn't 'ruined' ST forever, which isn't something you see often
Was named Trek17.
Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh', if only due to personal standards.
Next thing you know they'll be saying that Sir Patrick Stewart is British, Worf is a Klingon, the Scimitar is overpowered, and Benedict Cumberbatch is a brilliant actor. :cool:
Well you may be right, but by all rights, interest in ST was waning since after Insurrection I believe (Nemesis almost 'killed' it, some even claim). And 'unwatchable' is a matter of opinion, as I found it interesting, but hardly drew my attention otherwise because I could see them and everything else at the same time (a years-of-being-a-gamer instinct).
Also, 'rewrite' canon isn't entirely true; he just created an alternate universe that branched off from the prime one. Remember when the Enterprise-D encountered thousands of quantum versions of itself, from different timelines existing all at once? Same thing basically, and other than Spock's disappearance and the destruction of Romulus and Remus, hardly anything has really changed the ST we all know.
JJ Trek is simply exploring a different, darker what-if path imo;
But it's okay if you don't agree; I'm just glad that you understand this movie hasn't 'ruined' ST forever, which isn't something you see often
First paragraph: I agree.
Second: Um...he did try to rewrite canon. He tried to get the original TOS episodes pulled from reruns, DVDs, et cetera. I do know, however, that the Prime universe is basically what we're playing in STO right now.
Third: Sure, but...that doesn't mean that the movies are in any way good, or even watchable in the 2009 movie's case.
Fourth: Heh, I try to be reasonable. I hate JJ trek, and JJ, but I do realize that it hasn't ruined Trek.
At least, no more than Threshold (VOY) did. That one was so bad, it was struck from canon.
...talking to players is like being a mall Santa. Everyone immediately wants to tell you all of the things they want, and you are absolutely powerless to deliver 99% of them.
About Khan shedding tears, I believe that was fairly intentional, as it was a different take on the character.
In the Prime universe, Khan was defined by his obsession with vengeance over Kirk, though there were elements that showed he cared for his people, but it didn't show up that often.
In the JJ universe, there he cares far more for his 'family' than anything else, even enough to suppress his hatred for 'inferior' beings to do what they say, when they're threatened.
Yes I agree with your description of his motivations, but he is a warrior and showing such weakness in front of his opponents seems unlikely even for a genetically average male soldier. Also sociopaths just don't have the same feelings as normal people.
A TIME TO SEARCH: ENTER MY FOUNDRY MISSION at the RISA SYSTEM Parallels: my second mission for Fed aligned Romulans.
But anyway worffan101, 'watchable' and 'good' are also opinion, and I'll leave that aspect as such. And in my opinion, whether JJ did that or not, it can't and won't rewrite canon anyway, because they'll still exist on DVD's, the internet, and elsewhere. Even if ST:2009 and ST:ID were rewriting canon canonly (not a word but oh well), it ultimately wouldn't matter to me, due to my aforementioned reason
And I don't think anyone should think differently, because the old ST still exists alongside the newer one, no matter how much things change
Yes I agree with your description of his motivations, but he is a warrior and showing such weakness in front of his opponents seems unlikely even for a genetically average male soldier. Also sociopaths just don't have the same feelings as normal people.
True enough But we also must remember he thinks and feels he is superior, and therefore above inferior methods, behavior, and other such things. So even if he was aware of the weakness angle, he might not have cared in the depth of his sorrow
Of course, there's also the theory that he did it deliberately, as a further manipulation (which he was doing anyway)
Was named Trek17.
Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh', if only due to personal standards.
Sure, JJ can't ruin Trek forever, but he sure as hell wasted a big pile of money that could've given us another Trek TV show, or a movie that was actually worth the time. Sure, he renewed interest in Star Trek (not that it needed renewing, a franchise like this, with fanboys like this, never needs renewed interest because the interest will never really wane), but he also made two overblown, poorly-written ego pieces and attempted to REWRITE TREK CANON to suit his own ego.
Seriously, the guy's worse than Steve Moffat was to Doctor Who (and no, I am still not over the Sue-ification of River Song). At least now he's bored with Trek and is heading over to ruin Star Wars even more, so hopefully CBS can get the rights back soon and give us a show or three.
I can never forgive him for calling his ego movies Star Trek. No, this will not irrevocably taint the franchise; fortunately the JJverse can be buried with a simple "oh, look, Ambassador Spock is back" episode or movie, and we can go back to our regularly scheduled timeline. It's just a massive waste of time and money spent to "sex up" Star Trek.
I still haven't forgiven JJ for New Kirk and the underwear scene in ID, and I probably never will.
In short, I find JJ Abrams to be an annoying, arrogant little poser of very little talent and very much ego. He can't plot his way out of a box and he directs like a 13 year old sneaking peeks at Playboy when he thinks nobody is watching. I personally hope that people see him for what he is very, very soon and he spends the rest of his life bagging groceries.
I also hope that they get someone with actual talent to direct the next show or movie. I
NOOOOO!!!! At least John Barrowman is a good, straight American role-model...
I know, right?
And, hate to break it to you, but I think that he's TRIBBLE, too. Or at least bi. He plays Jack Harkness (pansexual immortal time traveler) so naturally, after all...
EDIT: Yeah, he's TRIBBLE. He's married to another man, after all. I really need to obsess more over Doctor Who. i've been slacking ever since the Eleventh Doctor and that god-awful finale to Torchwood: Miracle Day.
I don't think one could possibly make a good movie if they had to make it consistent with the entire Expanded Universe. Jettisoning it is the way to go.*
*I don't think they need to be removed from publication or anything, but the movies should be able to freely contradict them. Just like officially-licensed, non-canon Star Trek stuff.
Indeed. The outrage isn't about contradicting the EU, it's that JJ is taking all the Star Wars lore and molding it into his own version and making that version the only one. He's removing G-Canon and making it JJ-Canon.
Let me put it this way: If JJ had his way, his Star Trek would be the Prime Universe and STO would have been retooled completely to fit his new universe. Chris Pine would be the only Kirk your children would ever know. Vulcan wouldn't exist. Star Trek would have been another block buster action franchise than a light hearted series about life in space.
That's what he is doing with Star Wars. He's making the long established franchise and remaking it in his image. Now he has been on record stating that he wants to make Star Wars fandom approved, by returning to the mystical concepts and the dark hard moralities and the "Space is the frontier" backdrop. But with Disney removing parts of the EU and changing key points, it does add a sense of uneasy. Since we don't know what parts of the EU will remain and what won't, Episode VII is under some serious observation. That film will stand as a very powerful first impression to the fans about the new EU.
"A life is like a garden. Perfect moments can be had, but not preserved, except in memory. LLAP"
And, hate to break it to you, but I think that he's TRIBBLE, too. Or at least bi. He plays Jack Harkness (pansexual immortal time traveler) so naturally, after all...
OH G0DDAMN IT!!!! NOT ANOTHER ONE!!!!! :eek:
for the record, Barrowman is about as awesome as they get, and recently posted a pic on fb of a costume party he and his husband attended dressed as Waldo (John) and Superman (Scott) two totally awesome dudes :cool:
(goes off and does something more fun than argue about JJTrek, like pugging The Breach Elite in a Bortasqu')
...Oh, baby, you know, I've really got to leave you / Oh, I can hear it callin 'me / I said don't you hear it callin' me the way it used to do?...
- Anne Bredon
for the record, Barrowman is about as awesome as they get, and recently posted a pic on fb of a costume party he and his husband attended dressed as Waldo (John) and Superman (Scott) two totally awesome dudes :cool:
Of course he's awesome, he's John Barrowman! He's Captain Jack, who pioneered the Badass Longcoat! He was the most awesome Doctor Who companion! He time-traveled with both the 9th AND 10th Doctors! HE IS JOHN ****ING BARROWMAN!!!!!!!
He's the George Takei of Doctor Who, just as David Tennant is the Patrick Stewart of Doctor Who.
Of course he's awesome, he's John Barrowman! He's Captain Jack, who pioneered the Badass Longcoat! He was the most awesome Doctor Who companion! He time-traveled with both the 9th AND 10th Doctors! HE IS JOHN ****ING BARROWMAN!!!!!!!
He's the George Takei of Doctor Who, just as David Tennant is the Patrick Stewart of Doctor Who.
Eeeeeeeeeeehhhhhhh he was more Brent Spinner than Patrick Stewart.....
"A life is like a garden. Perfect moments can be had, but not preserved, except in memory. LLAP"
Eeeeeeeeeeehhhhhhh he was more Brent Spinner than Patrick Stewart.....
In terms of the character he played, sure.
But in terms of raw acting talent as opposed to Pure Awesomeness? Tennant was to Who what Stewart was to TNG. Both relied more on raw acting chops than on Pure Awesomeness. Takei and Barrowman both have an undercurrent of real-life awesomeness that makes them more awesome on screen.
Not that Sir Patrick Stewart and David Tennant aren't awesome. They just rely more on their astronomically elite acting skills.
Of course he's awesome, he's John Barrowman! He's Captain Jack, who pioneered the Badass Longcoat! He was the most awesome Doctor Who companion! He time-traveled with both the 9th AND 10th Doctors! HE IS JOHN ****ING BARROWMAN!!!!!!!
He's the George Takei of Doctor Who, just as David Tennant is the Patrick Stewart of Doctor Who.
Yeah, absolutely the best companion IMHO (although I think RTd went 'too far' with the character in Miracle Day, insolvent much as it needlessly retconned an already massively loved and accepted character)
So? Neither was Nicholas Meyer, Harve Bennet, Brannon Braga, Rick Berman and a number of other writers. You don't have to be a hardcore fan to write and produce good Star Trek.
And despite not being a fan, the new films have brought in millions of new fans and revived the franchise again.
yeah but jjcrap is films only though, after a few years the films will be forgotten and those "fans" will find something else to appeal to them. short term effect means nothing which you are trying to make a point on. let it go for a decade or two and see if there are still fans in such droves.
T6 Miranda Hero Ship FTW. Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
Yeah, absolutely the best companion IMHO (although I think RTd went 'too far' with the character in Miracle Day, insolvent much as it needlessly retconned an already massively loved and accepted character)
Hope you'll like the LC entry in the link :cool:
Miracle Day sucked TRIBBLE. I watched the finale: Shapiro (Q with a beard), an experienced black ops agent, got killed by a bomb planted by a transparently obvious sparrow (seductive infiltration agent), which has to be the lamest death scene ever. Esther (the cute character) just HAD to go into one side of Bad Guy Base with Rex (cool black guy), who had magic save-the-world juice in his bloodstream. So, with punctual predictability, the bad guy shot Esther as soon as Rex said that he was willing to die to stop the evil plan. Which was another stupidly lame death scene. The writers of Miracle Day will pay for their crimes.
And yeah, it was nice. The Jack cameo was hilarious!
Ooh, good one. JJ isn't iconic, suave, menacing, or even awesome enough to be Vader. Vader is...Vader. He is whole. He is pure. He is the incarnation of malevolent evil. You CANNOT corrupt him by comparing him to that poser JJ Abrams.
Now, Malgus is a flunky and a poser both. Seriously, a guy like that, with leet Jedi skillz like that, you'd think that he'd actually put up a fight, have an escape plan, and have a bunch of mooks ready to fly in and kill the heroes. But no, he folds like wet tissue. It's pathetic.
Surprised that nobody has mentioned the BSG reboot. Battlestar was a great series from my childhood, yet now that the reboot is over and done with, those new actors have not worked outside of sci-fi channel duds. When it came out it breathed new life into an old series, and everybody applauded it, but it ultimately killed the interest in it. jjTrek is the same thing, sure the corpse is moving, but soon enough it will go colder than it was before.
Miracle Day sucked TRIBBLE. I watched the finale: Shapiro (Q with a beard), an experienced black ops agent, got killed by a bomb planted by a transparently obvious sparrow (seductive infiltration agent), which has to be the lamest death scene ever. Esther (the cute character) just HAD to go into one side of Bad Guy Base with Rex (cool black guy), who had magic save-the-world juice in his bloodstream. So, with punctual predictability, the bad guy shot Esther as soon as Rex said that he was willing to die to stop the evil plan. Which was another stupidly lame death scene. The writers of Miracle Day will pay for their crimes.
And yeah, it was nice. The Jack cameo was hilarious!
Yup... I'd categorise Miracle Day as bad fanfiction with a budget
Surprised that nobody has mentioned the BSG reboot. Battlestar was a great series from my childhood, yet now that the reboot is over and done with, those new actors have not worked outside of sci-fi channel duds. When it came out it breathed new life into an old series, and everybody applauded it, but it ultimately killed the interest in it. jjTrek is the same thing, sure the corpse is moving, but soon enough it will go colder than it was before.
I just wanna add that BSG had one reboot film... we've already had two, both of which have made more money than any of the others (not adjusted to inflation, but still), and a third is on the way, currently to coincide with ST's 50th anniversary
I don't think we can call JJTrek a corpse at this point. What to call it instead is not exactly clear, but still
yeah but jjcrap is films only though, after a few years the films will be forgotten and those "fans" will find something else to appeal to them. short term effect means nothing which you are trying to make a point on. let it go for a decade or two and see if there are still fans in such droves.
I really think you underestimate the strength of the ST fans who do like JJTrek And besides, while it is short-term for some, the new Trek was also a starting point for others who were never otherwise interested
I don't know about you, but that's definitely a long-term benefit imo
Was named Trek17.
Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh', if only due to personal standards.
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...actually, I think that I'm being kind of lenient. 2009 was practically unwatchable due to the lens flares, and ID was only marginally better. ID did have much better acting, but that's just because they threw in Benedict Cumberbatch, who inevitably raises the mean acting talent of whatever room he happens to be in at the moment.
Sure, JJ can't ruin Trek forever, but he sure as hell wasted a big pile of money that could've given us another Trek TV show, or a movie that was actually worth the time. Sure, he renewed interest in Star Trek (not that it needed renewing, a franchise like this, with fanboys like this, never needs renewed interest because the interest will never really wane), but he also made two overblown, poorly-written ego pieces and attempted to REWRITE TREK CANON to suit his own ego.
Seriously, the guy's worse than Steve Moffat was to Doctor Who (and no, I am still not over the Sue-ification of River Song). At least now he's bored with Trek and is heading over to ruin Star Wars even more, so hopefully CBS can get the rights back soon and give us a show or three.
I can never forgive him for calling his ego movies Star Trek. No, this will not irrevocably taint the franchise; fortunately the JJverse can be buried with a simple "oh, look, Ambassador Spock is back" episode or movie, and we can go back to our regularly scheduled timeline. It's just a massive waste of time and money spent to "sex up" Star Trek.
I still haven't forgiven JJ for New Kirk and the underwear scene in ID, and I probably never will.
In short, I find JJ Abrams to be an annoying, arrogant little poser of very little talent and very much ego. He can't plot his way out of a box and he directs like a 13 year old sneaking peeks at Playboy when he thinks nobody is watching. I personally hope that people see him for what he is very, very soon and he spends the rest of his life bagging groceries.
I also hope that they get someone with actual talent to direct the next show or movie. I mean, Renegades was better than JJ's TRIBBLE, and Renegades was basically Tim Russ (nothing against him, very cool guy) throwing all the best stuff he could think of into one giant mess. Turned out surprisingly well, though--maybe Tim Russ should direct the next Trek movie?
Or just get George Takei. He can do anything. Because, y'know, George Takei. He's just that awesome.
Not even the EU agrees with itself. *Cough*KotoR II*Cough*
Also, 'rewrite' canon isn't entirely true; he just created an alternate universe that branched off from the prime one. Remember when the Enterprise-D encountered thousands of quantum versions of itself, from different timelines existing all at once? Same thing basically, and other than Spock's disappearance and the destruction of Romulus and Remus, hardly anything has really changed the ST we all know.
JJ Trek is simply exploring a different, darker what-if path imo;
But it's okay if you don't agree; I'm just glad that you understand this movie hasn't 'ruined' ST forever, which isn't something you see often
Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh', if only due to personal standards.
No way, surely not :eek:
First paragraph: I agree.
Second: Um...he did try to rewrite canon. He tried to get the original TOS episodes pulled from reruns, DVDs, et cetera. I do know, however, that the Prime universe is basically what we're playing in STO right now.
Third: Sure, but...that doesn't mean that the movies are in any way good, or even watchable in the 2009 movie's case.
Fourth: Heh, I try to be reasonable. I hate JJ trek, and JJ, but I do realize that it hasn't ruined Trek.
At least, no more than Threshold (VOY) did. That one was so bad, it was struck from canon.
Did you hear the rumors? Sir Ian McKellen (Gandalf, Magneto) is TRIBBLE!
Do you have a source on that?
Sorry, no. I read it in a news story, though--CBS and Bad Robot had this huge fight over it, if memory serves.
Yes I agree with your description of his motivations, but he is a warrior and showing such weakness in front of his opponents seems unlikely even for a genetically average male soldier. Also sociopaths just don't have the same feelings as normal people.
Parallels: my second mission for Fed aligned Romulans.
But anyway worffan101, 'watchable' and 'good' are also opinion, and I'll leave that aspect as such. And in my opinion, whether JJ did that or not, it can't and won't rewrite canon anyway, because they'll still exist on DVD's, the internet, and elsewhere. Even if ST:2009 and ST:ID were rewriting canon canonly (not a word but oh well), it ultimately wouldn't matter to me, due to my aforementioned reason
And I don't think anyone should think differently, because the old ST still exists alongside the newer one, no matter how much things change True enough
Of course, there's also the theory that he did it deliberately, as a further manipulation (which he was doing anyway)
Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh', if only due to personal standards.
NOOOOO!!!! At least John Barrowman is a good, straight American role-model...
I know, right?
And, hate to break it to you, but I think that he's TRIBBLE, too. Or at least bi. He plays Jack Harkness (pansexual immortal time traveler) so naturally, after all...
EDIT: Yeah, he's TRIBBLE. He's married to another man, after all. I really need to obsess more over Doctor Who. i've been slacking ever since the Eleventh Doctor and that god-awful finale to Torchwood: Miracle Day.
Indeed. The outrage isn't about contradicting the EU, it's that JJ is taking all the Star Wars lore and molding it into his own version and making that version the only one. He's removing G-Canon and making it JJ-Canon.
Let me put it this way: If JJ had his way, his Star Trek would be the Prime Universe and STO would have been retooled completely to fit his new universe. Chris Pine would be the only Kirk your children would ever know. Vulcan wouldn't exist. Star Trek would have been another block buster action franchise than a light hearted series about life in space.
That's what he is doing with Star Wars. He's making the long established franchise and remaking it in his image. Now he has been on record stating that he wants to make Star Wars fandom approved, by returning to the mystical concepts and the dark hard moralities and the "Space is the frontier" backdrop. But with Disney removing parts of the EU and changing key points, it does add a sense of uneasy. Since we don't know what parts of the EU will remain and what won't, Episode VII is under some serious observation. That film will stand as a very powerful first impression to the fans about the new EU.
-Leonard Nimoy, RIP
OH G0DDAMN IT!!!! NOT ANOTHER ONE!!!!! :eek:
for the record, Barrowman is about as awesome as they get, and recently posted a pic on fb of a costume party he and his husband attended dressed as Waldo (John) and Superman (Scott) two totally awesome dudes :cool:
PS Jack has a cameo in one of my LC entries...
OH, God, not this **** again...
(goes off and does something more fun than argue about JJTrek, like pugging The Breach Elite in a Bortasqu')
...Oh, baby, you know, I've really got to leave you / Oh, I can hear it callin 'me / I said don't you hear it callin' me the way it used to do?...
- Anne Bredon
Of course he's awesome, he's John Barrowman! He's Captain Jack, who pioneered the Badass Longcoat! He was the most awesome Doctor Who companion! He time-traveled with both the 9th AND 10th Doctors! HE IS JOHN ****ING BARROWMAN!!!!!!!
He's the George Takei of Doctor Who, just as David Tennant is the Patrick Stewart of Doctor Who.
Eeeeeeeeeeehhhhhhh he was more Brent Spinner than Patrick Stewart.....
-Leonard Nimoy, RIP
In terms of the character he played, sure.
But in terms of raw acting talent as opposed to Pure Awesomeness? Tennant was to Who what Stewart was to TNG. Both relied more on raw acting chops than on Pure Awesomeness. Takei and Barrowman both have an undercurrent of real-life awesomeness that makes them more awesome on screen.
Not that Sir Patrick Stewart and David Tennant aren't awesome. They just rely more on their astronomically elite acting skills.
Hope you'll like the LC entry in the link :cool:
No. He'd be Malgus to Mickey's Emperor.
-Leonard Nimoy, RIP
yeah but jjcrap is films only though, after a few years the films will be forgotten and those "fans" will find something else to appeal to them. short term effect means nothing which you are trying to make a point on. let it go for a decade or two and see if there are still fans in such droves.
Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
Miracle Day sucked TRIBBLE. I watched the finale: Shapiro (Q with a beard), an experienced black ops agent, got killed by a bomb planted by a transparently obvious sparrow (seductive infiltration agent), which has to be the lamest death scene ever. Esther (the cute character) just HAD to go into one side of Bad Guy Base with Rex (cool black guy), who had magic save-the-world juice in his bloodstream. So, with punctual predictability, the bad guy shot Esther as soon as Rex said that he was willing to die to stop the evil plan. Which was another stupidly lame death scene. The writers of Miracle Day will pay for their crimes.
And yeah, it was nice. The Jack cameo was hilarious!
Ooh, good one. JJ isn't iconic, suave, menacing, or even awesome enough to be Vader. Vader is...Vader. He is whole. He is pure. He is the incarnation of malevolent evil. You CANNOT corrupt him by comparing him to that poser JJ Abrams.
Now, Malgus is a flunky and a poser both. Seriously, a guy like that, with leet Jedi skillz like that, you'd think that he'd actually put up a fight, have an escape plan, and have a bunch of mooks ready to fly in and kill the heroes. But no, he folds like wet tissue. It's pathetic.
So.....what's new?
Glad you approve, it was fun to write :cool:
I don't think we can call JJTrek a corpse at this point. What to call it instead is not exactly clear, but still I really think you underestimate the strength of the ST fans who do like JJTrek
I don't know about you, but that's definitely a long-term benefit imo
Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh', if only due to personal standards.