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wuubb
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G'day mates!
i'm going to start working on a foundry project soon, and i want to have a great villian. remember wrath of kahn? whats one reason why people liked it so much?
---> good villain
to that end, i'd like to hear ideas on what the STO community thinks would be the best Star Trek villian.
and dont hold back on radical, super-didnt see that coming ideas. (those are the best)
Cheers!
i'm going to start working on a foundry project soon, and i want to have a great villian. remember wrath of kahn? whats one reason why people liked it so much?
---> good villain
to that end, i'd like to hear ideas on what the STO community thinks would be the best Star Trek villian.
and dont hold back on radical, super-didnt see that coming ideas. (those are the best)
Cheers!
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Too bad he died. I rather liked him too. (As a villain.)
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Is this going to just be a singular mission or is it going to be a series? My advice: play Atlas Affair. It is hands down, by far the best foundry series to date. It has a really good villain and the story is very detailed with great, likable characters. If anything, I'm sure playing the series will give you some ideas.
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currently, im looking at a 3 or 4 part series (depending on how much content i can fit into each part). i have a good general storyline and everything, i'm just missing a good bad guy/thing to put behind all of it. like i dont want it to be something stupid like "this was just a holodeck test" like that stupid section 31 DS9 mission. i'll also take a look at that atlas affair mission and play those
thanks all, and lets keep the ideas rollin'
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Divide et Impera, Suspect, and a select group of other Cryptic missions are ones.
The majority of all other Cryptic missions falls into either twos or threes.
And Atlas Affair is a ten.
As for thinking of a villain, the main thing that I think you should focus on in their development is trying to make the player feel like they would do the exact same thing if the roles were reversed. They should be cunning and to a point trick you into furthering their agenda.
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After him, the Borg Queen. Evil TRIBBLE--aka Evil Is Sexy, straight from TVTropes.
Ah'dar Ru'afo. Crappy movie, poorly-made villain, but AWESOME lines (most of which, to be fair, were various extensions of the word "no").
Dukat pwns, but Weyoun was more love-to-hate (because annoying). Keevan (that little Vorta puke who led his Jem'Hadar to their deaths and then got killed in "The Magnificent Ferengi") was easy to hate, too.
Lore. Because Evil Data.
General Chang, because Shakespeare-loving Klingons pwn major butt.
Those Klingon idiots from ST3 and ST5. Because it takes some major balls to be that stupid on a Klingon cruiser.
Obviously, some of these are more workable than others, and the last idea is not serious.
If I were to make a villain...I'd say someone with massive inherent power, but small and cute. A little "girl" who can look sweet and innocent...but then kills you in the most painful way she can, and ENJOYS it, just because she can. That's if you want creepy.
If you want "Epic Trek Movie Baddie", don't try a Khan ripoff. No revenge. Say, an evil Ferengi who's in it for the cash. Or maybe, somebody like Long Feng from the TV series Avatar: The Last Airbender. He was a good, sinister, bureaucratic sort of evil.
Just a thought that popped up...
How about an evil Ferengi whose plot is so devious it looks like they're in it for the cash (because, y'know, Ferengi) but in fact is in it for something else- but the cash it looks like they're in it for is only a means to the actual intended end.
Oh, DAMN...that's clever. Think DaiMon Bok crossed with FCA Liquidator Brunt...
Oh, man, that's evil. Think a Ferengi space TRIBBLE!
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Maybe a plot to engineer a shooting war between minor powers and profit off the back of it, like war between the Cardassian Union and the Deferi. Unlikely powers to fight, especially right now, but take a few stolen ships, bribe some disaffected True Way types, throw in some wildly illegal weapons of mass destruction, could be interesting.
that gave me an idea: what if there are multiple "layers" to the villain?
not sure how to explain it, but the closest thing i can think of is like in iron man 3 where the mandarin guy is really just a ****ed up actor and killian is the real one. except not as...cheesy and humorous.
So, I'm thinking insidious, and I remember The Price of the Phoenix, an early ST novel. The villian went by the name Omne, and was dangerous because he unlocked the secret of how to use a transporter to recreate any other body stored in the buffers, but with his consciousness inserted. He could also create a living duplicate or a corpse: duplicate body, no mind. It created quite a problem with dopplegangers, and worse, Omne knew how to resurrect himself in a new body when the old one died. Killing him was not easy.
Best villian move EVER.
After that, Khan. Methodical, ruthless. General Chang from Undiscovered Country. Quoting Shakespeare while tearing the Enterprise apart? EPIC.
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I remember watching somewhere that the Ferengi were originally going to be the main bad guys in TNG, and they started off in that direction with that episode where Picard was brainwashed to pilot his first command and blow up the Enterprise by some Ferengi captain wanting revenge for his family, who was in a ship Picard destroyed in self defence during that first command.
It was a good episode actually, but I don't think Ferengi made much impact as bad guys so they were re-written into a comedy relief role.
i think if i were doing a foundry series for feds, i would make the villain turn out to be the federation. perhaps leave the player with the sense that they have unwittingly participated in some unspeakable evil, but it was unquestioningly accepted because it was for the 'greater good' of the federation. in a sense the villain becomes the player themselves for not stopping to question the path they have been following throughout the mission.
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To be honest, the player (if fed) is the villain for the first part of the Romulan arc. He spend his time sabotaging, spying and destroying Romulan bases, some of them scientific or civilian. He even unleash an Undine in the Romulan ranks.
Then, when T'nae hear about a Romulan fleet being assembled around their new homeworld, she is scared (yep, a Vulcan), and task the player to destroy this fleet. Prime directive ? Who cares ! Why ? Because it's scary, they may use this fleet to attack the federation !
From Sela's point of vue, the Romulan lost their homeworld, they are struggling to rebuild, and the Fed comes, kills their people, push colonies to leave their ranks and join them instead, sabotage their bases, incite a Reman rebellion and spy on them. Then, when she try to build a fleet, probably to defend her Empire, she is attacked, in the heart of her Empire, by a bunch of self-righteous Starfleet madmen led by a crazy Vulcan thinking this is a new Crusade or something. Makes you wish she win.
I can't think of a better villain, I know I wanted to attack myself seeing how evil I was.
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Seems like a really nasty character.
No one to negotiate to, creepy, alien, only interested in technology. Much more like a Ant hive.
A real contrast to the federation.
Personally i don't like Trek storys where the heros have to do something bad "for the greater good". humanity has outgrown things like that, that's not Star Trek IMO.
And failing that grab Xanatos from Gargoyles. A schemer you can never decide to hate or admire. Where there is no one plan. But plans layered on top of one another so only he knows what is coming next.
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Network engineers are not ship designers.
Nor should they be. Their ships would look weird.
You might also take a look at the Featured Episode Series that was recently released on the Foundry. I thought Admiral Faultor was a very good villain.
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Too bad she dies rather unceremoniously midway through the story.
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Have him be some sort of time-altering alien looking to "reset" the universe into what HE sees as a better image.
YES!!!!! That would be hilarious!
or on a different tack, how about an eager beaver internal affairs guy looking to make a name for himself? let's face it, every one of us did decidedly un-federation like actions in our careers. I personally blew up the ferengi in the gamma quadrant a few times.
For purposes of this discussion in particular, knowing Kang killed him in 2370 is all we need to know. (Unless we want to go all "Friday the 13th" and kill him a few more times.)
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For the record, I wasn't actually suggesting trying to use Dukat (that runs the risk of butting up against the Foundry EULA anyway, even if he wasn't dead). Simply showing him as one example of how to write a good villain. Complex, well-developed character with believable motivations instead of one-note evil overlord. The latter has its place but gets overused.
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