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the7thof9
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First of all, sorry if this is the wrong thread. I have a tactical romulan character nearing vice admiral. Season 9 could be bringing tier 6 ships in early 2014. I've been planning on buying the Scimitar since day 1 on this character, and I have a fairly good (imo) build planned. I'm not sure if it would be worth buying the level 50 ship with the possibility of level 60 ships being released very soon. Can anyone offer any opinions? Thanks in advance.
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They've talked about a lot of things, like commanding multiple ships like boffs in space, extended equipment systems for higher ranks, and upgrade systems. Of those I'd expect fleet command most because of the sheer weight of dilithium and zen spending that an additional 4 tier 5 ships can command.
Of course, earlier this year we were told that warp cores as equipment didn't fit the dev's current plans and were 2+ seasons away if they were likely at all, then a month later we were told warp cores were coming with LoR. So... yeah.
If there will be T6 ships, they will either be no better than Fleet-grade ships, or they will be accompanied by some kind of token that will allow you to upgrade your Fleet, 3-Pack, or Lockbox/Lobi ship to the new tier.
Beside the immense amount of ships that must be created to satisfy all factions/playstyle needs it will also make all current ships obsolete which WILL anger a massive amout of players and, I assume, is a mayor source of income that will be turned off.
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Or what all others said while I was typing slow
For ships, rather than building a whole tier of new ships, I would envision a generic "enhancement suite" that applies to all ships piloted by a level 50+ character--you could get a bonus of 1% to the shields and hull for every level above 50 (much like how shuttles scale).
That still leaves the issue of BOFF seating. Being a Flag Officer, a Fleet Admiral could have his "aide" be an at-large BOFF with a universal seat, above and beyond the seats allowed for the ship normally. A level 55 Admiral could have this be an Ensign seat, and a level 60 Admiral could have it be a Lieutenant (Shuttles would only ever get an Ensign though).
Rather than obsolete existing ships by introducing even stronger ones, I think that Fleet Admiral characters should simply get a bonus to the stats of any ship that they fly--this would let a FA be more powerful than a VA without overturning existing ships and builds. We already have a "scales to Captain's level" system in place with shuttles--why not apply something similar to big starships for the above-level-50 players?
People make enough fuss when a powerful ship comes along and usurps the status quo among a particular group, like the Bulwark blowing all existing tanky cruisers out of the water.
Now multiply that fuss by 100, and you will see the mess that a complete obsolescence of all existing ships and gear would make, just for the sake of turning the number 5 to 6 and XII to XIII. Why would we want that, and what business sense would that make?
They're not going to make an entire tier of C-Store ships obsolete overnight.
Indeed. They can start by dropping the rank gating that prevents you from accessing certain episode missions below a certain level. Why? To make some of those subjectively less-appealing "endgame" sets attractive again. Reman shields. Breen absolute zero. Etc. It would make leveling up a bit more fun.
The "T6 ship" is a player generated idea...
Pre-expansion you have several tiers of gear between the level cap and top endgame, so a seasoned raider is immensely more powerful than a fresh level cap. Post expansion as everybody reaches the new level cap, they're being given new gear equal or slightly higher than the old best.
Right now in STO, that gap is from mk X/XI blue and lower and mk XII purples overitemized with set bonuses and mk XII ultra-rares. After a level cap increase and gear reset, the standard mission rewards and drops could be mk XII and XIII, with top end being XIII set/fleet.
Very true a good comparsion is to compare the Assault Cruiser (T5) to the Assault Cruiser Refit (T5.5)
Same Hull strength, same console layout, but the power level bonus is different (+5 All for Assault, +10 Weapons +5 Shield and Aux on Refit), slight Different BOFF layout (Refit swaps the Assualts Lt CMDR Eng and Lt Tac around and replaces the Lt Sci with a Lt Universal) and the refit comes with the [Console - Universal - Metreon Gas Canisters] and the [Wide Angle Quantum Torpedo Launcher]
as you can see the Refit didn't make the old Assault Cruiser obsolete, but provides a different setup that you can use with it
Indeed. In fact, IMO, the Refit is not actually a true "T5.5." It seems more like a sidegrade to push it from a jack-of-all-trades cruiser to a real tactical cruiser. From what I have read, generally MMO players are more amiable to paying for alternatives and options for things like play style, and I think the C-Store ships are something of an extension of that. Fleet ships are undoubtedly power creep, of course, but at least IMO it's not too terrible and you don't need it if you can't afford it to enjoy the game quite a bit.
As per OP: I will echo everyone else's statements. I have purchased at least ten ships at T5, not including fleet ships, and while I try to avoid forum rage, I (and many, many others) will be pretty frothing should they go to T6 without bumping up the T5's somehow, or at least keeping them viable. I can't speak for anyone else, but I'm planning on sticking around STO for a while and continuing to spend as I can, though I do want my purchases to remain worthwhile. If all the ships I (and everyone else) bought suddenly go to spacedock to rust with the T1-4... it ain't gonna be pretty. This is made even worse by the fact that your ship is probably the most defining piece of gear most people will ever have on their toons. My Fleet AC will be separated from me only upon being pried out of my cold dead fingers.
So go ahead and buy that ship.
If they implemented something like this, I would rather it be a choice. As in, you could mod your ship(s) (basically, one mod "box"/ship/level, but only one modbox could be used on any particular ship/level.) That way, it would allow for a little customization, and especially for PvP types, would keep people on their toes. "Did the guy use his mods on shields, hull, inertia, power availability, etc etc.
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I think this idea has been talked about, and I'd say it's a neat one.
However, I also recall someone saying the engine wouldn't support the ability to individually modify ships. I would think it's possible with time, but if we get anything like that, I'll bet it'll be a while. If it requires extensive recoding it'll probably simmer on the back burner for 6-8 months slowly maturing after they decide they're going to put it in. Just a guess, though.