One thing we know now is The Doctor was bluffing Mr. Clever in "Nightmare in Silver " about using up a regeneration to get rid of him. He couldn't regenerate and he knew it, but thankfully the Cyber Planner didn't, hence why The Doctor went through all that risk to beat the entity out of him.
Wonder what crazy idea the Grand Moff has up his sleeve next...
Everywhere I look, people are screaming about how bad Cryptic is.
What's my position?
That people should know what they're screaming about!
(paraphrased from "The Newsroom)
Problem is, 12 is not supposed to be a good guy. He's supposed to be the Darker Doctor that creates the Valeyard. The Valeyard's backstory is that he's the dark amalgamation of the Doctor's darkest natures that is created between the Twelfth and "Final" Doctors. So, Twelve must be the Doctor who delves into his more darker impulses which will most likely end very badly for him and cause him to expel his darkness into a separate form, this creating the Valeyard who will travel back to the 1970's to interrogate the Sixth Doctor and steal his seven remaining regenerations.
Technically Capaldi is the 12th Doctor because he's the 12th guy to use the name, but really he's the 13th incarnation of the guy which I'm pretty sure is what the Timelords were counting there not how many have used the name.
It is possible that even if the Valeyard was a regeneration of the Doctor or the cast off remains of a Doctor that the events that created the Valeyard no longer exists. By knowing one's future, then it ceases to exist as proven by STO when younger B'Vat was confronted by his older self.
There is also by knowing one's future, it is forced to happen as proven by the Oedipus story. Oedipus' father heard a prophecy that his son would kill him so he sent Oedipus away as a baby. Oedipus without knowing who his father was, killed him.
It is possible that even if the Valeyard was a regeneration of the Doctor or the cast off remains of a Doctor that the events that created the Valeyard no longer exists. By knowing one's future, then it ceases to exist as proven by STO when younger B'Vat was confronted by his older self.
There is also by knowing one's future, it is forced to happen as proven by the Oedipus story. Oedipus' father heard a prophecy that his son would kill him so he sent Oedipus away as a baby. Oedipus without knowing who his father was, killed him.
Actually they do. Doctor Who doesn't follow the laws of Paradox like Star Trek. Every chance of a paradox in the Doctor's timeline, it always ends up being the correct events, seen through a different perspective. One of the biggest examples being the Fall of Gallifrey.
From 9 and 10's perspective, Gallifrey was destroyed by the War Doctor when he deployed The Moment and then locked the entire cataclysm behind a Time Lock using a modified De-Mat Gun and the Key of Rassilon. A Time Lock is explained as a never ending time loop where the contents replay over and over and over. It is an artificial fixed point in time. Nothing can get in or out. Gallifrey would burn forever and the Doctor could do nothing. The War Doctor is condemned as the destroyer and the Doctor forsakes him.
Fast forward to The Stolen Earth. Davros, who was believed to be destroyed during the Time War, emerges in the present day and explains he was saved by Dalek Caan, one of the surviving Daleks from the events of "The Daleks Take Manhattan". Caan explains that after the failure to merge with the Human race, he made a Temporal Phase Shifted into the Time War itself, saved Davros and shifted out to the present to complete the Reality bomb. Here is where the Doctor gets the first clue about the true fate. Time Locks CANNOT be broken. You cannot circumvent them or anything. Once something is time locked, it cannot change. But since Caan was rendered insane after the shift, it is accepted that the trip through the Lock drove him crazy.
Fast Forward again to The End of Time. The Master, after awakening from his exile of the Future, begins to hear the sound of drums. It is revealed that the drums are a post Schism induced warning call set by Rassilon, the dictator of the Gallifreyan High Council, as a fail safe when the Doctor established the Time Lock. The Drums, along with the White Point Star, allowed Rassilon to create a beacon to pull Gallifrey from the Time Lock and be free. Again, another red flag about the Time Lock and it creates another inconsistency. If Gallifrey was time locked, why did only the Planet and the Council phase through? If it was time locked, then the entire event of the Time War should have been pulled through as well. And yet, no Daleks were seen.
Then we come to the events of Day of the Doctor, where it reveals that Gallifrey survived by being placed in a pocket universe inside a four dimensional painting. And the end of the special, it is revealed War immediately regenerated straight into 9, having fulfilled his promise of ending the Time War. But since he planned to create the Time Lock AFTER he deployed the Moment, and he never did, that means there was no Time Lock at all. No Time Lock explains how Caan and Rassilon were able to "break through" to the timeline without any repercussions.
In sort, the "Fall" of Gallifrey happened. 9 woke up in his TARDIS with no memory of what happened up until he opened The Moment. 9 assumed, since he was alone on the TARDIS and had just regenerated, that he survived the deployment and engaged the Time Lock. Soon he would experience Survivor Guilt and subsequently disown War. Thus, the events of 9 and 10's lives play out as they did. No changes. They believed themselves to be the survivor and destroyer of Gallifrey. Only 11 remembers the actual events, as they had occurred closer to his part timeline.
So from that example, we know that the Valeyard will indeed come to pass. However, instead of being created between the twelve regeneration and the Final life of the Doctor, we can now infer that The Valeyard will be created during 12's lifetime as he is the Final Doctor. Remember that the gift the Time Lords granted him was not a full regeneration set, but one more cycle, as Rassilon is still in control of Gallifrey and would never allow the Doctor to have another set. So there is a good chance the Gallifreyan High Council member asking for the Doctor had to be someone who knew him and who he trusted enough to grant his request. The only Council member he knows. The Council member who gave him his additional cycle: His Mother.
So, given those facts, we can hypothesize the creation of the Valeyard as so:
The 12th Doctor's story arc is finding a freeing the Trapped Gallifrey from the pocket dimension and oust Rassilon from the High Council. Rassilon, discovering the Doctor's mother gave her son another chance at life, kills her. The Doctor becomes enraged at losing his last link to his family and most likely kills Rassilon in cold blood. The Council grants The Doctor a new regeneration set. The Doctor, feeling remosre and the empty pangs of revenge, attempts to cast off the dark nature that made him do those things as he regenerates into 13. Something will go wrong and he will create the Valeyard. The Valeyard, who's old actor bears a striking resemblance to Peter Capaldi, will soon escape into the time stream and oppose the Sixth Doctor and 13 will go on.
Now there is no guarantee that the events will play out that way, but it keeps in line with the events without a paradox occurring.
"A life is like a garden. Perfect moments can be had, but not preserved, except in memory. LLAP"
Mostly liked it. Thought the filming angles for the transformation were a bit wacky, and distracted from the scene. Liked the surprise cameo. Loved Clara's facial reactions to the Doctor's off-the-cuff statement about how to cook a turkey. Liked Clara's duplication of a Jack Hartness stunt.
Anyone notice even though Clara is no longer fractured across time, she's still finding ways to save her friend?
Also, based on comments 11 has made through his run, his personality's lifespan has apparently been about as long as all the others combined. Though the doctor has been known to lie.
Mostly liked it. Thought the filming angles for the transformation were a bit wacky, and distracted from the scene. Liked the surprise cameo. Loved Clara's facial reactions to the Doctor's off-the-cuff statement about how to cook a turkey. Liked Clara's duplication of a Jack Hartness stunt.
Anyone notice even though Clara is no longer fractured across time, she's still finding ways to save her friend?
Also, based on comments 11 has made through his run, his personality's lifespan has apparently been about as long as all the others combined. Though the doctor has been known to lie.
When I first saw that, I was like :eek: , and thought she was frozen to the side of the TARDIS by holding the key. Of course, the Doctor's line about it extending a forcefield around her made sense, as when Jack grabbed hold, it was actively trying to throw him off, not protect him...
Yeah, I would have been more worried, but the production team had to go all spoilery very early and say that Clara would be around as the first Peter Capaldi companion.
Sorry for the second post, but a new thought has occurred.
Has anyone noticed that with the exception of Jackie (Rose's mum) and Amy (whose motherhood was messed up) the rest of NuWho's companions' mums are grouchy, demanding, prickly, or just outright rude? Martha Jones, Donna Noble, and now Clara all spring to mind. There's been a softening over time with a couple of them, admittedly, but they start out all wrong. It makes me wonder if the writers have something against mothers.
Yeah, I would have been more worried, but the production team had to go all spoilery very early and say that Clara would be around as the first Peter Capaldi companion.
I have to admit, I hadn't known that, so I did wonder if she might have been killed, just as an extra emotional blow for the Doctor, but thankfully not the case :cool:
Sorry for the second post, but a new thought has occurred.
Has anyone noticed that with the exception of Jackie (Rose's mum) and Amy (whose motherhood was messed up) the rest of NuWho's companions' mums are grouchy, demanding, prickly, or just outright rude? Martha Jones, Donna Noble, and now Clara all spring to mind. There's been a softening over time with a couple of them, admittedly, but they start out all wrong. It makes me wonder if the writers have something against mothers.
I'd never considered that, but you're absolutely right... Possibly just a way of setting them apart from the Doctor, and making travelling with him the clearly better option.
In the same vein, Disney seems to have a beef with step-mothers
Sorry for the second post, but a new thought has occurred.
Has anyone noticed that with the exception of Jackie (Rose's mum) and Amy (whose motherhood was messed up) the rest of NuWho's companions' mums are grouchy, demanding, prickly, or just outright rude? Martha Jones, Donna Noble, and now Clara all spring to mind. There's been a softening over time with a couple of them, admittedly, but they start out all wrong. It makes me wonder if the writers have something against mothers.
Not entirely. I thought that the below scene from "The Wedding of River Song" wasn't anti-mother at all:
Rory: "Are you sure, River? Are you really properly sure?"
River: "Of course I am! I'm his wife."
Amy: "And I'm his ... mother-in-law."
River: "Daddy dear, I think Mummy might need some more wine."
Rory: "Yes, of course."
Not entirely. I thought that the below scene from "The Wedding of River Song" wasn't anti-mother at all:
Rory: "Are you sure, River? Are you really properly sure?"
River: "Of course I am! I'm his wife."
Amy: "And I'm his ... mother-in-law."
River: "Daddy dear, I think Mummy might need some more wine."
Rory: "Yes, of course."
Moffatt needs shooting for how much he butchered and retconned River Song... Her initial appearance was amazing, and her subsequent appearances were fun, but I think he went too far with re-introducing her after her death in the Library
Sorry for the second post, but a new thought has occurred.
Has anyone noticed that with the exception of Jackie (Rose's mum) and Amy (whose motherhood was messed up) the rest of NuWho's companions' mums are grouchy, demanding, prickly, or just outright rude? Martha Jones, Donna Noble, and now Clara all spring to mind. There's been a softening over time with a couple of them, admittedly, but they start out all wrong. It makes me wonder if the writers have something against mothers.
Kind of like Joss Whedon's hatred of fathers .
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
(not really spoilery...its common knowledge that this would be a regeneration episode)
Here's a thought...if the Peter Capaldi Doctor was on hand for the climactic moment in the 50th anniversary, how then did the Matt Smith Doctor ever figure he was the last Doctor?
It was a good send-off for Matt Smith I guess, but my impression overall was ho-hum. Just wasn't all that exciting; nothing of the caliber of the 50th Anniversary. The cameo of Amy at the end was: meh.
(not really spoilery...its common knowledge that this would be a regeneration episode)
Here's a thought...if the Peter Capaldi Doctor was on hand for the climactic moment in the 50th anniversary, how then did the Matt Smith Doctor ever figure he was the last Doctor?
Because there can only be 12 regenerations. This is one of the laws of regenerations, Time Lords are only allowed 12 regenerations. There have been 11 Doctors and the War Doctor which is not counted for obvious reasons. Also, one Doctor apparently used up a regeneration that kept himself the same. So the 11th Doctor (Matt Smith) was the last Doctor. So to get the 12th Doctor, the Doctor needed to be given another regeneration. Apparently, the Name of the Doctor episode had the Doctor die on Trenzalore with no additional regenerations for whatever reason. Therefore, Trenzalore is no longer where the Doctor will die.
(not really spoilery...its common knowledge that this would be a regeneration episode)
Here's a thought...if the Peter Capaldi Doctor was on hand for the climactic moment in the 50th anniversary, how then did the Matt Smith Doctor ever figure he was the last Doctor?
The simultaneous appearance of all incarnations of the Doctor was one of those moments which should never have made it to the screen... Quite cool to see all those TARDISs, but utterly ludicrous when viewed with any kind of rational (even by in-universe standards)
Because there can only be 12 regenerations. This is one of the laws of regenerations, Time Lords are only allowed 12 regenerations. There have been 11 Doctors and the War Doctor which is not counted for obvious reasons. Also, one Doctor apparently used up a regeneration that kept himself the same. So the 11th Doctor (Matt Smith) was the last Doctor. So to get the 12th Doctor, the Doctor needed to be given another regeneration. Apparently, the Name of the Doctor episode had the Doctor die on Trenzalore with no additional regenerations for whatever reason. Therefore, Trenzalore is no longer where the Doctor will die.
While in the bell tower, the Doctor pointed out that the War Doctor counted as a regeneration event, as did the aborted regeneration when the 10th Doctor partially regenerated but syphoned the remaining energy off into his severed hand. He pointed out that he had had all the possible regenerations he could have.
Then Clara begged to the crack in the universe (direct link to Gallifrey) that he be cut a break... A whisp of regeneration energy then came from the crack, and was absorbed by the Doctor, who then began to regenerate (as he had been gifted another regeneration cycle)
Moffatt needs shooting for how much he butchered and retconned River Song... Her initial appearance was amazing, and her subsequent appearances were fun, but I think he went too far with re-introducing her after her death in the Library
Her timeline runs in the opposite direction to the Doctor's. Which doesn't bother me in the least. I was glad to see her other appearances. Some were better than others (my favs may or may not be the same as yours). But I preferred the ones where she and the Doctor were more like equals rather than the ones where she was usually second-place to him. And I was glad to see her (if only what seemed like an image ... but with substance somehow) in "The Name of the Doctor". Just as I was glad to see Amelia/Amy in "The Time of the Doctor" (though Amelia there seemed to be a different actress, a blonde, not ginger like Caitlin Blackwood). These are memories that mean alot to him. Just like the emergency holograms in the TARDIS in "Let's Kill Hitler", though I wish he hadn't said, "No no no. Give me someone I haven't screwed up." when the TARDIS was going through holograms of the recent companions. But that was his choice, not mine.
Her timeline runs in the opposite direction to the Doctor's. Which doesn't bother me in the least. I was glad to see her other appearances. Some were better than others (my favs may or may not be the same as yours). But I preferred the ones where she and the Doctor were more like equals rather than the ones where she was usually second-place to him. And I was glad to see her (if only what seemed like an image ... but with substance somehow) in "The Name of the Doctor". Just as I was glad to see Amelia/Amy in "The Time of the Doctor" (though Amelia there seemed to be a different actress, a blonde, not ginger like Caitlin Blackwood). These are memories that mean alot to him. Just like the emergency holograms in the TARDIS in "Let's Kill Hitler", though I wish he hadn't said, "No no no. Give me someone I haven't screwed up." when the TARDIS was going through holograms of the recent companions. But that was his choice, not mine.
That part I didn't mind, and I liked how it was established that she knew a later Doctor than the 10th Doctor. What I was meaning, was that I didn't like how Moffatt retconned the character to first be Amy and Rory's daughter, and then to be a semi-Time Lord from being conceived in the time vortex... Those were just 'adding too much' IMHO. From an artistic perspective, it would be like adding too many elements and 'swamping the design'. Although I agree, I loved the idea that the Doctor was being haunted by River's ghost, but that he ignored her. I didn't like the appearance of Amy in Time of the Doctor, and felt it was unnecessary... But as mentioned over the page, the combination of Smith, Gillan and Moffatt actually made me stop watching the show completely. I only watched this one to see the 11th Doctor die and regenerate into the 12th... I'll only watch the next episodes to see what Peter Capaldi brings to the role, but if the quality of the writing is as poor as the Time of the Doctor, I will probably just stop watching altogether...
Yeah, but what he means is Matt's Doctor should have wondered why an additional Tardis was present. And whilst I doubt he (Matt's Dr) actually saw Capaldi's Dr, if he had he wouldn't remember being him and would be suggestive, to Matt's Dr, of a new regeneration.
Exactly. And assuming all Doctor incarnations present had their audio on, they would have heard the cry "No sir! All 13!" Should have alerted the 11th Doctor that he has one more regeneration at least.
Just as I was glad to see Amelia/Amy in "The Time of the Doctor" (though Amelia there seemed to be a different actress, a blonde, not ginger like Caitlin Blackwood). /
It would be a different actor, they never show her face, presumably because Caitlin Blackwood is recognisably a bit too old now to look like Amelia anymore.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
I reckon he was a bit busy at the time to hear a random shout of numbers over the comm and to count the Tardis numbers. Plus..... what was it? 300 years at Trenzalore before he spoke to Clara about that? The man doesn't remember every fact and thing he's seen, especially when he was distracted at the time.
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It would be a different actor, they never show her face, presumably because Caitlin Blackwood is recognisably a bit too old now to look like Amelia anymore.
True ... but couldn't they have chosen someone with *red* hair, instead of blond?
Because there can only be 12 regenerations. This is one of the laws of regenerations, Time Lords are only allowed 12 regenerations. There have been 11 Doctors and the War Doctor which is not counted for obvious reasons. Also, one Doctor apparently used up a regeneration that kept himself the same. So the 11th Doctor (Matt Smith) was the last Doctor. So to get the 12th Doctor, the Doctor needed to be given another regeneration. Apparently, the Name of the Doctor episode had the Doctor die on Trenzalore with no additional regenerations for whatever reason. Therefore, Trenzalore is no longer where the Doctor will die.
But wrong there. Trenzalore is the Doctor's final resting place, and after the events of "Time of the Doctor" where he clearly enjoyed defending the town of Christmas, it's a pretty good bet he will still be buried on Trenzalore. Plus, it still came to pass. Silence fell and so did 11. Timeline remains.
"A life is like a garden. Perfect moments can be had, but not preserved, except in memory. LLAP"
But wrong there. Trenzalore is the Doctor's final resting place, and after the events of "Time of the Doctor" where he clearly enjoyed defending the town of Christmas, it's a pretty good bet he will still be buried on Trenzalore. Plus, it still came to pass. Silence fell and so did 11. Timeline remains.
I disagree. When Clara begged the Doctor to change the future, he said that he could have when there were Time Lords, but he couldn't by himself. So, Clara begged the Time Lords to help him change the future, which they did by granting him a new set of regenerations. The Doctor no longer dies on Trenzalore, because he was able to regenerate.
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I heard September
Wonder what crazy idea the Grand Moff has up his sleeve next...
What's my position?
That people should know what they're screaming about!
(paraphrased from "The Newsroom)
Technically Capaldi is the 12th Doctor because he's the 12th guy to use the name, but really he's the 13th incarnation of the guy which I'm pretty sure is what the Timelords were counting there not how many have used the name.
Heard Autumn which is not really definite so over 6 months away covers that. Could be in August or September.
There is also by knowing one's future, it is forced to happen as proven by the Oedipus story. Oedipus' father heard a prophecy that his son would kill him so he sent Oedipus away as a baby. Oedipus without knowing who his father was, killed him.
Actually they do. Doctor Who doesn't follow the laws of Paradox like Star Trek. Every chance of a paradox in the Doctor's timeline, it always ends up being the correct events, seen through a different perspective. One of the biggest examples being the Fall of Gallifrey.
From 9 and 10's perspective, Gallifrey was destroyed by the War Doctor when he deployed The Moment and then locked the entire cataclysm behind a Time Lock using a modified De-Mat Gun and the Key of Rassilon. A Time Lock is explained as a never ending time loop where the contents replay over and over and over. It is an artificial fixed point in time. Nothing can get in or out. Gallifrey would burn forever and the Doctor could do nothing. The War Doctor is condemned as the destroyer and the Doctor forsakes him.
Fast forward to The Stolen Earth. Davros, who was believed to be destroyed during the Time War, emerges in the present day and explains he was saved by Dalek Caan, one of the surviving Daleks from the events of "The Daleks Take Manhattan". Caan explains that after the failure to merge with the Human race, he made a Temporal Phase Shifted into the Time War itself, saved Davros and shifted out to the present to complete the Reality bomb. Here is where the Doctor gets the first clue about the true fate. Time Locks CANNOT be broken. You cannot circumvent them or anything. Once something is time locked, it cannot change. But since Caan was rendered insane after the shift, it is accepted that the trip through the Lock drove him crazy.
Fast Forward again to The End of Time. The Master, after awakening from his exile of the Future, begins to hear the sound of drums. It is revealed that the drums are a post Schism induced warning call set by Rassilon, the dictator of the Gallifreyan High Council, as a fail safe when the Doctor established the Time Lock. The Drums, along with the White Point Star, allowed Rassilon to create a beacon to pull Gallifrey from the Time Lock and be free. Again, another red flag about the Time Lock and it creates another inconsistency. If Gallifrey was time locked, why did only the Planet and the Council phase through? If it was time locked, then the entire event of the Time War should have been pulled through as well. And yet, no Daleks were seen.
Then we come to the events of Day of the Doctor, where it reveals that Gallifrey survived by being placed in a pocket universe inside a four dimensional painting. And the end of the special, it is revealed War immediately regenerated straight into 9, having fulfilled his promise of ending the Time War. But since he planned to create the Time Lock AFTER he deployed the Moment, and he never did, that means there was no Time Lock at all. No Time Lock explains how Caan and Rassilon were able to "break through" to the timeline without any repercussions.
In sort, the "Fall" of Gallifrey happened. 9 woke up in his TARDIS with no memory of what happened up until he opened The Moment. 9 assumed, since he was alone on the TARDIS and had just regenerated, that he survived the deployment and engaged the Time Lock. Soon he would experience Survivor Guilt and subsequently disown War. Thus, the events of 9 and 10's lives play out as they did. No changes. They believed themselves to be the survivor and destroyer of Gallifrey. Only 11 remembers the actual events, as they had occurred closer to his part timeline.
So from that example, we know that the Valeyard will indeed come to pass. However, instead of being created between the twelve regeneration and the Final life of the Doctor, we can now infer that The Valeyard will be created during 12's lifetime as he is the Final Doctor. Remember that the gift the Time Lords granted him was not a full regeneration set, but one more cycle, as Rassilon is still in control of Gallifrey and would never allow the Doctor to have another set. So there is a good chance the Gallifreyan High Council member asking for the Doctor had to be someone who knew him and who he trusted enough to grant his request. The only Council member he knows. The Council member who gave him his additional cycle: His Mother.
So, given those facts, we can hypothesize the creation of the Valeyard as so:
The 12th Doctor's story arc is finding a freeing the Trapped Gallifrey from the pocket dimension and oust Rassilon from the High Council. Rassilon, discovering the Doctor's mother gave her son another chance at life, kills her. The Doctor becomes enraged at losing his last link to his family and most likely kills Rassilon in cold blood. The Council grants The Doctor a new regeneration set. The Doctor, feeling remosre and the empty pangs of revenge, attempts to cast off the dark nature that made him do those things as he regenerates into 13. Something will go wrong and he will create the Valeyard. The Valeyard, who's old actor bears a striking resemblance to Peter Capaldi, will soon escape into the time stream and oppose the Sixth Doctor and 13 will go on.
Now there is no guarantee that the events will play out that way, but it keeps in line with the events without a paradox occurring.
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Mostly liked it. Thought the filming angles for the transformation were a bit wacky, and distracted from the scene. Liked the surprise cameo. Loved Clara's facial reactions to the Doctor's off-the-cuff statement about how to cook a turkey. Liked Clara's duplication of a Jack Hartness stunt.
Anyone notice even though Clara is no longer fractured across time, she's still finding ways to save her friend?
Also, based on comments 11 has made through his run, his personality's lifespan has apparently been about as long as all the others combined. Though the doctor has been known to lie.
When I first saw that, I was like :eek:
Yeah, I would have been more worried, but the production team had to go all spoilery very early and say that Clara would be around as the first Peter Capaldi companion.
Has anyone noticed that with the exception of Jackie (Rose's mum) and Amy (whose motherhood was messed up) the rest of NuWho's companions' mums are grouchy, demanding, prickly, or just outright rude? Martha Jones, Donna Noble, and now Clara all spring to mind. There's been a softening over time with a couple of them, admittedly, but they start out all wrong. It makes me wonder if the writers have something against mothers.
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I have to admit, I hadn't known that, so I did wonder if she might have been killed, just as an extra emotional blow for the Doctor, but thankfully not the case :cool:
I'd never considered that, but you're absolutely right... Possibly just a way of setting them apart from the Doctor, and making travelling with him the clearly better option.
In the same vein, Disney seems to have a beef with step-mothers
Not entirely. I thought that the below scene from "The Wedding of River Song" wasn't anti-mother at all:
Rory: "Are you sure, River? Are you really properly sure?"
River: "Of course I am! I'm his wife."
Amy: "And I'm his ... mother-in-law."
River: "Daddy dear, I think Mummy might need some more wine."
Rory: "Yes, of course."
Moffatt needs shooting for how much he butchered and retconned River Song... Her initial appearance was amazing, and her subsequent appearances were fun, but I think he went too far with re-introducing her after her death in the Library
Kind of like Joss Whedon's hatred of fathers
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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Here's a thought...if the Peter Capaldi Doctor was on hand for the climactic moment in the 50th anniversary, how then did the Matt Smith Doctor ever figure he was the last Doctor?
Because there can only be 12 regenerations. This is one of the laws of regenerations, Time Lords are only allowed 12 regenerations. There have been 11 Doctors and the War Doctor which is not counted for obvious reasons. Also, one Doctor apparently used up a regeneration that kept himself the same. So the 11th Doctor (Matt Smith) was the last Doctor. So to get the 12th Doctor, the Doctor needed to be given another regeneration. Apparently, the Name of the Doctor episode had the Doctor die on Trenzalore with no additional regenerations for whatever reason. Therefore, Trenzalore is no longer where the Doctor will die.
The simultaneous appearance of all incarnations of the Doctor was one of those moments which should never have made it to the screen... Quite cool to see all those TARDISs, but utterly ludicrous when viewed with any kind of rational (even by in-universe standards)
While in the bell tower, the Doctor pointed out that the War Doctor counted as a regeneration event, as did the aborted regeneration when the 10th Doctor partially regenerated but syphoned the remaining energy off into his severed hand. He pointed out that he had had all the possible regenerations he could have.
Then Clara begged to the crack in the universe (direct link to Gallifrey) that he be cut a break... A whisp of regeneration energy then came from the crack, and was absorbed by the Doctor, who then began to regenerate (as he had been gifted another regeneration cycle)
Her timeline runs in the opposite direction to the Doctor's. Which doesn't bother me in the least. I was glad to see her other appearances. Some were better than others (my favs may or may not be the same as yours). But I preferred the ones where she and the Doctor were more like equals rather than the ones where she was usually second-place to him. And I was glad to see her (if only what seemed like an image ... but with substance somehow) in "The Name of the Doctor". Just as I was glad to see Amelia/Amy in "The Time of the Doctor" (though Amelia there seemed to be a different actress, a blonde, not ginger like Caitlin Blackwood). These are memories that mean alot to him. Just like the emergency holograms in the TARDIS in "Let's Kill Hitler", though I wish he hadn't said, "No no no. Give me someone I haven't screwed up." when the TARDIS was going through holograms of the recent companions. But that was his choice, not mine.
That part I didn't mind, and I liked how it was established that she knew a later Doctor than the 10th Doctor. What I was meaning, was that I didn't like how Moffatt retconned the character to first be Amy and Rory's daughter, and then to be a semi-Time Lord from being conceived in the time vortex... Those were just 'adding too much' IMHO. From an artistic perspective, it would be like adding too many elements and 'swamping the design'. Although I agree, I loved the idea that the Doctor was being haunted by River's ghost, but that he ignored her. I didn't like the appearance of Amy in Time of the Doctor, and felt it was unnecessary... But as mentioned over the page, the combination of Smith, Gillan and Moffatt actually made me stop watching the show completely. I only watched this one to see the 11th Doctor die and regenerate into the 12th... I'll only watch the next episodes to see what Peter Capaldi brings to the role, but if the quality of the writing is as poor as the Time of the Doctor, I will probably just stop watching altogether...
Exactly. And assuming all Doctor incarnations present had their audio on, they would have heard the cry "No sir! All 13!" Should have alerted the 11th Doctor that he has one more regeneration at least.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
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True ... but couldn't they have chosen someone with *red* hair, instead of blond?
But wrong there. Trenzalore is the Doctor's final resting place, and after the events of "Time of the Doctor" where he clearly enjoyed defending the town of Christmas, it's a pretty good bet he will still be buried on Trenzalore. Plus, it still came to pass. Silence fell and so did 11. Timeline remains.
-Leonard Nimoy, RIP
I disagree. When Clara begged the Doctor to change the future, he said that he could have when there were Time Lords, but he couldn't by himself. So, Clara begged the Time Lords to help him change the future, which they did by granting him a new set of regenerations. The Doctor no longer dies on Trenzalore, because he was able to regenerate.
Timeline rewritten.