Started a Klingon....

capnshadow27

....As stated i started a klingon a ciuple days ago, took my time and enjoyed the beginning content for him. I have to say i really enjoyed the KDF specific missions, but i was sorely sorely dissapointed in playing the non-specific content after that. Why am i as a KDF warrior, mcuking about saving slamek's life? Can i not have an option to let him die an honorable death?

Can they not Redesign these missions to have a klingon flair to them? The early missions where very KDF now i feel like im playing a Gorn Federation officer.

Secondly, if i have the option to make an 8'7" Gorn can i not have the option to trade in weapons somewhere that have an extra-large size? It would curb a lot of the complaints people have about that kind of stuff. Maybe an option for tiny toons also.

Now as far as ships are concerned im actually far mroe enjoying ships in the Klingon line-up, im flying all BoP's so far, adn the decloak attack is awesome, i blew through space content like it was nobodies business with just mission and/or stock gear. Klingons really do get the better ships for the content we are provided as a whole is very damage centric.

As far as ships go if the Fed's had something like a BoP a lot of their ship greed would probably go away.

But all in all, i like Klingons and i am not sure why more people dont play them, maybe it stems from the fact that they dont have content that makes you feel klingon. How lazy are you to make two factions with 30 levels of non-specific content, i swear at some point captain shon or kurland are going to start harrassing me.........

talonxv

capnshadow27 wrote: »

....As stated i started a klingon a ciuple days ago, took my time and enjoyed the beginning content for him. I have to say i really enjoyed the KDF specific missions, but i was sorely sorely dissapointed in playing the non-specific content after that. Why am i as a KDF warrior, mcuking about saving slamek's life? Can i not have an option to let him die an honorable death?

Can they not Redesign these missions to have a klingon flair to them? The early missions where very KDF now i feel like im playing a Gorn Federation officer.

Secondly, if i have the option to make an 8'7" Gorn can i not have the option to trade in weapons somewhere that have an extra-large size? It would curb a lot of the complaints people have about that kind of stuff. Maybe an option for tiny toons also.

Now as far as ships are concerned im actually far mroe enjoying ships in the Klingon line-up, im flying all BoP's so far, adn the decloak attack is awesome, i blew through space content like it was nobodies business with just mission and/or stock gear. Klingons really do get the better ships for the content we are provided as a whole is very damage centric.

As far as ships go if the Fed's had something like a BoP a lot of their ship greed would probably go away.

But all in all, i like Klingons and i am not sure why more people dont play them, maybe it stems from the fact that they dont have content that makes you feel klingon. How lazy are you to make two factions with 30 levels of non-specific content, i swear at some point captain shon or kurland are going to start harrassing me.........

Personally I do the KDF missions, then I just skip everything else and do raiding or patrols. Cause frankly it's just asinine with being a feddie klingon.

capnshadow27

talonxv wrote: »

Personally I do the KDF missions, then I just skip everything else and do raiding or patrols. Cause frankly it's just asinine with being a feddie klingon.

Exactly. Why on earth is it like that, are they really that lazy, or are they too busy breaking game parts, trying to fix them breaking something else, fixing that and re-breaking the originally fixed item?

I mean an RPG with no actual choices....

warmaker001b

Man, the complaints about how Fed-aligned the missions outside the KDF specific ones are have gone all the way back to STO's release.

Case in point is the Dominion story arc. Both Federation & Klingons are at war, you help the Feds out and capture DS9 with the help of the Klingon fleet, and then give the station over to the Federation. DS9 is prime real estate, strategic value, and you hand it over like it was nothing important.

The older missions are like this, blatantly told with a Fed POV. The newer non-KDF ones are not any better. They are written in such a way there is no difference whatsoever between Federation, Romulan, Klingon faction POVs. It commits the crime of being: Nothing.

What would also be good is if the missions referred to you as the appropriate race for the KDF. As Orion, Klingon, Gorn, etc. At least with the major races that make up the KDF, and the speech is aligned with what your captain's race is.

schloopdoo

Some of those cross-faction missions are worth doing for the rewards, such as the free Dominion DOFFs from the DS9 episode, but it does feel like Starfleet gameplay that you, the Klingon, were just permitted to play.

capnshadow27

warmaker001b wrote: »

Man, the complaints about how Fed-aligned the missions outside the KDF specific ones are have gone all the way back to STO's release.

Case in point is the Dominion story arc. Both Federation & Klingons are at war, you help the Feds out and capture DS9 with the help of the Klingon fleet, and then give the station over to the Federation. DS9 is prime real estate, strategic value, and you hand it over like it was nothing important.

The older missions are like this, blatantly told with a Fed POV. The newer non-KDF ones are not any better. They are written in such a way there is no difference whatsoever between Federation, Romulan, Klingon faction POVs. It commits the crime of being: Nothing.

What would also be good is if the missions referred to you as the appropriate race for the KDF. As Orion, Klingon, Gorn, etc. At least with the major races that make up the KDF, and the speech is aligned with what your captain's race is.

schloopdoo wrote: »

Some of those cross-faction missions are worth doing for the rewards, such as the free Dominion DOFFs from the DS9 episode, but it does feel like Starfleet gameplay that you, the Klingon, were just permitted to play.

Thats exactly the thing it is all cookie cutter content. There arent any real individual quests, its FPS story telling in an mmorpg, it just doesnt work. Nothing changes you played it once you never have to play it again because it never changes its just uniquely boring.

This is why people barely replay content, and only make new toons because they are so severly bored of the ones they have.

Seasons 9, 10 and 11 should be fine tuning the game and providing a real experience to players.

warmaker001b

Glad you're enjoying things though and most esp. the BOP.

Warbirds are better in the decloaking attacks.

The T'Varo does the Torp Boat thing better.

The Warbirds are also much, much tougher shield & hullpoints wise, yet still handle very well for most parts and have the superior Romulan Battlecloak as well.

But the KDF BOP's total package of superior handling and speed, Universal BOFF stations, generally balanced Console Slots, and Battle Cloak is the only package in such a way in the game.

It is also the very last thing in this game that the KDF can call its own. It's fragile as hell and has issues as you've probably found out. But the KDF BOPs are a pleasure to fly.

capnshadow27

warmaker001b wrote: »

Glad you're enjoying things though and most esp. the BOP.

Warbirds are better in the decloaking attacks.

The T'Varo does the Torp Boat thing better.

The Warbirds are also much, much tougher shield & hullpoints wise, yet still handle very well for most parts and have the superior Romulan Battlecloak as well.

But the KDF BOP's total package of superior handling and speed, Universal BOFF stations, generally balanced Console Slots, and Battle Cloak is the only package in such a way in the game.

It is also the very last thing in this game that the KDF can call its own. It's fragile as hell and has issues as you've probably found out. But the KDF BOPs are a pleasure to fly.

Well im only lvl 28 so the squishiness is understandable, but that should theoretically be overcomable, later on at least.

Though i am learning i need to fiddle more with the throttle as opposed to the lumbering space whales of the federation so going back is going to be hard....

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capnshadow27

patrickngo wrote: »

welcome to the Bird of Prey owner's club. (I'd hand you a flyer, but those weren't in the budget).

Throttle isn't the only control you can fiddle with-power settings (the presets) are useful and occasionally vital controls-and customizable using option "3" on the panel.

This can have significant impacts on the time you spend taking down NPC's as you level.

I generally run a preset for 120-125 weapons, 50 Engines, 25 shields and 25 aux for PvE runs-you don't NEED the high aux unless you're running a lot of sci (which at 28 you probably won't be...) and NPC's are either blind as bats, or will see right through cloaks-no middle ground there.

fiddling with the presets can teach you things about your build, and suggest things to improve it as you collect drops and visit the exchange, or as you do what passes for 'crafting' for low level gear.

on KDF toons I pretty much ONLY run missions where I get something I want and/or need. The Utopia Planitia raid for "Efficient" engines is useful, for instance, and the Breen series for the cluster torpedo at higher levels, but for the most part the shared content only exists for a KDF player in order to get gear without having to buy it.

Noob to Klingons. not the game but thanks anyway , i only run high aux in Sci ships most others get full weapon power.

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capnshadow27

patrickngo wrote: »

oh, wasn't sure-lots of L50 feds running around with everything set to 'equal'.

anyway, if you're looking for KDF Content outside the KDF missions (the tutorial, Alpha), you might try hitting the Foundry from time to time. There are several really GOOD missions that are VERY Klingon in there, and it's how I levelled my Sci, Engineer, and second KDF tac (well, those and the rare Mirror Incursion runs).

a few of the Foundry missions even give you optoinal responses based on race or gender.

something to think about since you've already SEEN the 'shared' missions.

I have seen those things to death. Part of why i made a klingon was if i had to hear "Captain Kurland here" one more time...... well that in and of itself is enough to make anyone want to go klingon...

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capnshadow27

patrickngo wrote: »

You don't like getting constantly pestered by the least competent field grade officer in Starfleet?

I share your pain on that one.

Understatement of the year, Overly Attached Girlfriend would look at Kurland and say wow he is soooo needy......:cool:

But i have ridden the Fed horse for awhile and needed a change, originally i was going to make two klinks to support my alt farmer group, as klingons can bring in the contraband like no other, but as i played the missions, well ifelt i needed to give at least my Gorn (named after the useless Voth Boff:rolleyes:) a chance, with his literally Flying Gorn jokes*.

*All his ships are Gorn jokes. I.K.S. Gornicator, I.K.S. Gorn Supremacy, I.K.S. Gorn Ultimatum, and next on the list will be the I.K.S. National Gornographic

But the next toon will be another rom that im going to level sell off his good boffs and make dissapear into the ether, only to do it again, maybe twice before making an Orion female as my last toon.

greendragon527

capnshadow27 wrote: »

I have seen those things to death. Part of why i made a klingon was if i had to hear "Captain Kurland here" one more time...... well that in and of itself is enough to make anyone want to go klingon...

Orly? Can't remember if you've reached that point at lvl 30, but I don't got good news on that front.....

starswordc

patrickngo wrote: »

oh, wasn't sure-lots of L50 feds running around with everything set to 'equal'.

anyway, if you're looking for KDF Content outside the KDF missions (the tutorial, Alpha), you might try hitting the Foundry from time to time. There are several really GOOD missions that are VERY Klingon in there, and it's how I levelled my Sci, Engineer, and second KDF tac (well, those and the rare Mirror Incursion runs).

a few of the Foundry missions even give you optoinal responses based on race or gender.

something to think about since you've already SEEN the 'shared' missions.

I mostly made my KDF char so I could review KDF Foundry missions and maybe competently write them.

And yeah, there's actually even more call for KDF missions to have many dialog options than there is for Fed missions: Only one of the KDF's seven playable races even ascribes to the ideal of being an honorable warrior. Maybe two if you count the Ferasans, which I'm told were based on the Kzinti from Star Fleet Battles and its video game spinoffs. The rest are mercenaries (Naus, Leth), allies by treaty (Orion), forcibly subjugated and militarily absorbed (Gorn), and I don't have a clue what the Trill are doing.

zipagat

The Trill were a pre order bonus item for the digital download so they were added to both factions because fairness and such.

timezarg

warmaker001b wrote: »

Man, the complaints about how Fed-aligned the missions outside the KDF specific ones are have gone all the way back to STO's release.

Case in point is the Dominion story arc. Both Federation & Klingons are at war, you help the Feds out and capture DS9 with the help of the Klingon fleet, and then give the station over to the Federation. DS9 is prime real estate, strategic value, and you hand it over like it was nothing important.

The older missions are like this, blatantly told with a Fed POV. The newer non-KDF ones are not any better. They are written in such a way there is no difference whatsoever between Federation, Romulan, Klingon faction POVs. It commits the crime of being: Nothing.

What would also be good is if the missions referred to you as the appropriate race for the KDF. As Orion, Klingon, Gorn, etc. At least with the major races that make up the KDF, and the speech is aligned with what your captain's race is.

Indeed. A lot of the 'universal' content is basically Federation-biased with a flimsy KDF wrapper tacked onto it. It'd be nice to have more distinctively Klingon content, including with the 'universal' content. I don't like having my Klingon character behaving like a Starfleet officer. I don't like seeing Cryptic shoe-horn the KDF into acting like the Federation just because they couldn't be arsed to create two versions of the content, one for each faction.

starswordc

zipagat wrote: »

The Trill were a pre order bonus item for the digital download so they were added to both factions because fairness and such.

I knew that, I meant story-wise what they're doing in the KDF.

nightken

starswordc wrote: »

I knew that, I meant story-wise what they're doing in the KDF.

lusting after klingon men? or women, maybe both.

mimey2

starswordc wrote: »

I knew that, I meant story-wise what they're doing in the KDF.

If I remember, they shoe-horned in some quick thing about like a 'Trill colony' (including symbiotes) and thus that is why there are Trill in the KDF.

rodentmaster

It's from DS9 (the show). The storyline had joined trills experiencing and enjoying Klingon life and being accepted as fine warriors amongst the Klingons. Kirzon was with the Klingons about 3 lifetimes before he was joined with Jadzia or something.

Without looking up the finer details, that's the very brief summary of it.

bitemepwe

starswordc wrote: »

I knew that, I meant story-wise what they're doing in the KDF.

Korroth wanted to see how far the spots go down.

capnshadow27

rodentmaster wrote: »

It's from DS9 (the show). The storyline had joined trills experiencing and enjoying Klingon life and being accepted as fine warriors amongst the Klingons. Kirzon was with the Klingons about 3 lifetimes before he was joined with Jadzia or something.

Without looking up the finer details, that's the very brief summary of it.

Kirzon was the host previous to Jadzia.

But yes Trill could do pretty much as the damn well pleased.

Though i could see an issue with it, say a trill hangs out with starfleet, for a few lifetimes and then the next host goes and hangs with the klinks and hooks them up with all the secrets, or vice versa.

But hey not my problem. Klingons may not have the numbers in ships but they certainly got the quality, at least with how damage centric this game is, well quality before LoR....

zipagat

Pretty sure its actually Curzon not Kurzon

capnshadow27

zipagat wrote: »

Pretty sure its actually Curzon not Kurzon

Nitpicking. Maybe i spelled his name wrong as did the person i quoted, but you KNEW exactly who we where talking about.

shpoks

starswordc wrote: »

I knew that, I meant story-wise what they're doing in the KDF.

I had a witty comment all prepared and then I read this:

bitemepwe wrote: »

Korroth wanted to see how far the spots go down.

Can't top this in any meaningfull way. Qapla' Roach!


As to the topic of the thread, I agree - some of the missions sometimes do feel weird for the KDF. In my head I usually counter it with some quality RP.

Nowdays I tend to see them as remnants of the past - a period in time when the Cryptic team was struggling to keep STO allive and to make the game profitable and worthwile for PWE. So I'm not overally concerned with those missions.
Would I like them to be updated to be more in line with the KDF? Hell yeah! But I'm not overally concerened with them. The new KDF missions that were released the past year are simply awesome and the quality of these can't even be compared with the old cross-faction ones. Also rumour has it mr.Stahl is working on some new KDF missions. I'd expect those to rock as well, whenever they may come.

So nowdays I tend to turn my view to the future, which I expect has much more plausible KDF missions in store and generally higher quality of KDF content.

And for those that just can't see themselves doing what is required from the cross-faction missions due to immersion breaking - I highly recommend the foundry missions. I have always been a fan of those and I tip my hat to all the foundry authors - especially the ones working on KDF missions.
Beleive it or not, there are some amazing KDF missions in the foundry and a lot of the time they fill the gap in the KDF content - what I suspect the idea of their authors actually is. So if Klingon content is what you're craving and the old missions just don't cut it for you - try the foundry ones. The foundry is one of Cryptic's best assets as a gaming studio and it offers the possibility of infinite authentic Star Trek experiences.