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Spies in our midst?

smeeinn1tsmeeinn1t Member Posts: 618 Arc User
edited December 2013 in Ten Forward
Just read this article about NSA and other Int. agencies infiltrating online games to gather Intel !!!

>>READ THIS<<


Here's hoping that Section 31 has a competent counter intelligence operation... :P
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  • anazondaanazonda Member Posts: 8,399 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    So what?

    If examining my life gives their lives value, I say let them... Cause their lives are pretty boring, if mine is interesting to them.
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  • coupaholiccoupaholic Member Posts: 2,188 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    I too struggle to understand what the NSA or indeed any intelligence service would hope to find in ESD chat. They might as well stare at the bottom of an old dustbin.
  • questeriusquesterius Member Posts: 8,618 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    At least the NSA will have a human perspective. Imagine some alien race hacking into STO and trying to make sense of ESD chat.
    This program, though reasonably normal at times, seems to have a strong affinity to classes belonging to the Cat 2.0 program. Questerius 2.7 will break down on occasion, resulting in garbage and nonsense messages whenever it occurs. Usually a hard reboot or pulling the plug solves the problem when that happens.
  • hravikhravik Member Posts: 1,203 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    coupaholic wrote: »
    I too struggle to understand what the NSA or indeed any intelligence service would hope to find in ESD chat. They might as well stare at the bottom of an old dustbin.

    Maybe they're looking for some meaning in Gorn jokes?
  • stoutesstoutes Member Posts: 4,219 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    hravik wrote: »
    Maybe they're looking for some meaning in Gorn jokes?
    They are never gorning to succeed in that!

    But seriously; they will probably just put it on the big-data pile and use catchwords (or how you would call them) to filter the important bits.
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    Nerf is OP, plz nerf
    That's quite the paradox, how could you nerf nerf when the nerf is nerfed. But how would the nerf be nerfed when the nerf is nerfed? This allows the nerf not to be nerfed since the nerf is nerfed? But if the nerf isn't nerfed, it could still nerf nerfs. But as soon as the nerf is nerfed, the nerf power is lost. So paradoxally it the nerf nerf lost its nerf, while it's still nerfed, which cannot be because the nerf was unable to nerf.

    I call it, the Stoutes paradox.
  • redz4twredz4tw Member Posts: 3
    edited December 2013
    If the vulcans saw ESD chat......
  • roxbadroxbad Member Posts: 695
    edited December 2013
    smeeinn1t wrote: »
    Just read this article about NSA and other Int. agencies infiltrating online games to gather Intel !!!

    Probably an excuse to play mmo's at work.
  • misterde3misterde3 Member Posts: 4,195 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    It's an excuse to increase their budget and you never know when ESD chat devolves into an argument about how nation X is better than nation Y and that must of course be...secured. Especially when someone sais he doesn't like nation y, that means he's dangerous.

    But seriously: coming from a nation that has had two "security" orgas doing this stuff, "Reichssicherheitshauptamt" and "Ministerium fuer Staatssicherheit", it's hardly a surprise.
    Their logic is that if there's no threat it's because suveillance...I mean security works and must be kept at the current level.
    If there's a threat it's only because security is not tight enough yet.
  • grouchyotakugrouchyotaku Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    coupaholic wrote: »
    I too struggle to understand what the NSA or indeed any intelligence service would hope to find in ESD chat. They might as well stare at the bottom of an old dustbin.

    Though actually, larger companies have been observing employee on-line behavior for years as part of their 'back-ground check', under the theory that behavior in the game could potentially mirror behavior in real life, (especially when dealing with valuable IP or large sums of money...)
  • hevachhevach Member Posts: 2,777 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    Thing to remember about the NSA is that most of it isn't the NSA, but contractors. Businesses, some of which are immense (the largest known one has floor space comparable to the largest Google datacenters, and most of their locations aren't a matter of public record), who exist only to do work for the NSA.

    Like a lot of military contractors, a lot of the time they're not so much bidding on work the agency wants done but convincing the agency they should pay for work the company can offer. Name of the game is makework. If something isn't being monitored, they have people on staff whose sole job it is to convince the NSA that it's in dire need of being monitored to the tune of several hundred dollars per man hour.
  • ijimithyijimithy Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    To be honest there will be spies everywhere we go in our daily lives. Doesn't matter what we do someone is always watching and like a few of the posts already said if they want to follow my daily existence like a real life truman show then fair enough. I'll even invite them in and give them tea and biscuits if they so desire lol since I don't do anything id consider dodgy or illegal lol.

    On a side note though we have a ton of agencies monitoring us via phone, web traffic probably even following us with satellites but eh whatever floats their boat
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  • askrayaskray Member Posts: 3,329 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    *puts on his tinfoil hat*

    They can't read my chat with this on!

    Also.. thread moved :P
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  • centersolacecentersolace Member Posts: 11,178 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    grouchyotaku wrote: »
    Though actually, larger companies have been observing employee on-line behavior for years as part of their 'back-ground check', under the theory that behavior in the game could potentially mirror behavior in real life, (especially when dealing with valuable IP or large sums of money...)

    Which is dumb. -_-
  • coupaholiccoupaholic Member Posts: 2,188 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    Here's a thought. Since all of us are constantly monitored by many spies, analysts, moderators and intelligence personnel. You think there could be a chance to make some cash with advertising?

    I can see it now. Set times in the day I will stop everything I'm doing and say "This surveillance footage has been bought to you by BT. Switch to BT broadband today for a chance to win a brand new flat-screen TV!"

    If I play my cards right I could get free Internet :D
  • brewtolomusbrewtolomus Member Posts: 277
    edited December 2013
    anazonda wrote: »
    So what?

    If examining my life gives their lives value, I say let them... Cause their lives are pretty boring, if mine is interesting to them.

    I hope that is snark.
  • jonsillsjonsills Member Posts: 10,511 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    I figure I'm on some watchlist today, along with my brother and brother-in-law - after the discussion we had on Facebook about why someone would steal a truckload of used cobalt-60, and possible more-efficient ways of constructing a dirty bomb...

    (And just when they thought they could stop surveilling me after my Air Force service - sorry, guys, now you've got to keep sniffing through my Spam inbox trying in vain to find a pattern!)
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  • hevachhevach Member Posts: 2,777 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    jonsills wrote: »
    I figure I'm on some watchlist today, along with my brother and brother-in-law - after the discussion we had on Facebook about why someone would steal a truckload of used cobalt-60, and possible more-efficient ways of constructing a dirty bomb...

    (And just when they thought they could stop surveilling me after my Air Force service - sorry, guys, now you've got to keep sniffing through my Spam inbox trying in vain to find a pattern!)

    I had the same discussion on another forum. Our conclusion was that if those thieves weren't such idiots, they would have been brilliant.

    But they were idiots. They had no idea what they had. Apparently they targeted the armored car thinking it was carrying money. Everybody was freaking out that the thieves were terrorists or would sell it to terrorists. But when they realized they didn't have stacks of cash they just ditched it in the desert thinking it was worthless junk.

    And now they're probably all going to die from liver cancer.
  • mirrorchaosmirrorchaos Member Posts: 9,844 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    smeeinn1t wrote: »
    Just read this article about NSA and other Int. agencies infiltrating online games to gather Intel !!!

    >>READ THIS<<


    Here's hoping that Section 31 has a competent counter intelligence operation... :P

    nothing new there and there nothing we can do about it on the whole as gamers since our rights are limited. besides that how many background programmes have you seen run in the background like steam or arc or uplay? they all contain their own version of spy programmes in some form to collect on our habits for them to learn about, they may call it "non identifiable" but in order to get such info you need an idenfiable computer through the ip address, nat and mac and such in order to download from.

    2nd life is TRIBBLE and always has been, something like that would be a gold mine for hacking for information on the drones/sheeple.
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  • jonsillsjonsills Member Posts: 10,511 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    hevach wrote: »
    And now they're probably all going to die from liver cancer.
    Cobalt-60 is non-fissile, but highly radioactive. They're dead by now, from radiation poisoning, because they were dumb enough to open the cask. Not a fun way to go, especially when you can't see the blood in your vomit because your corneas have gone bye-bye. On the other tentacle, it's a self-punishing crime. (As Heinlein once said, stupidity is the only universal capital crime. There is no appeal, and the punishment imposes itself.)
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  • ryan218ryan218 Member Posts: 36,106 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    redz4tw wrote: »
    If the vulcans saw ESD chat......

    We already have and we find it... illogical.
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  • hevachhevach Member Posts: 2,777 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    jonsills wrote: »
    Cobalt-60 is non-fissile, but highly radioactive. They're dead by now, from radiation poisoning, because they were dumb enough to open the cask.

    No, they're not. All six turned themselves into a hospital and were treated. Only one of them had symptoms serious enough to have been near the casks, but even his exposure was nonfatal. The copper containers were not opened, meaning the thieves and truck themselves were not contaminated and could not expose those around them, and were no longer exposed when they abandoned the truck (which appears to have been very quickly upon learning they hadn't stolen a truck full of cash).

    http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/12/06/21794583-six-released-from-mexican-hospital-but-detained-in-theft-of-cobalt-60
  • jonsillsjonsills Member Posts: 10,511 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    hevach wrote: »
    No, they're not. All six turned themselves into a hospital and were treated. Only one of them had symptoms serious enough to have been near the casks, but even his exposure was nonfatal.

    http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/12/06/21794583-six-released-from-mexican-hospital-but-detained-in-theft-of-cobalt-60
    Ah. So they're going to be "lucky" enough to die of cancer. Not sure that's much better, honestly...
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  • worffan101worffan101 Member Posts: 9,518 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    Maybe we should let NSA hackers be if we see them in-game.

    Then send them to ESD, where the zone chat will make their heads explode.

    Bwahahahahaaaa!!!!! :D
  • askrayaskray Member Posts: 3,329 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    worffan101 wrote: »
    Maybe we should let NSA hackers be if we see them in-game.

    Then send them to ESD, where the zone chat will make their heads explode.

    Bwahahahahaaaa!!!!! :D

    Nah... send them to drozana ;)
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  • cptjhuntercptjhunter Member Posts: 2,288 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    :Rather than looking at the sorry shape of the Economy, and trying to find a solution, congress has athlete -using-steroids witch hunts.I'm so glad the Government has yet found a new, and exciting way of wasting the taxpayer's money.:rolleyes:
  • artan42artan42 Member Posts: 10,450 Bug Hunter
    edited December 2013
    Hello GCHQ! If you are reading this then... um ... get back to work.
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  • ryan218ryan218 Member Posts: 36,106 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    artan42 wrote: »
    Hello GCHQ! If you are reading this then... um ... get back to work.

    Firstly, lol!

    Just going to provide context for people who don't live in the UK...

    Here in the UK, the GCHQ effectively does the same job as the NSA. Not to such extreme lengths, mind.

    Well... not that we know of.

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  • centersolacecentersolace Member Posts: 11,178 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    cptjhunter wrote: »
    :Rather than looking at the sorry shape of the Economy, and trying to find a solution, congress has athlete -using-steroids witch hunts.I'm so glad the Government has yet found a new, and exciting way of wasting the taxpayer's money.:rolleyes:

    George Orwell would be proud.
  • taylor1701dtaylor1701d Member Posts: 3,099 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    AFSCN
    US Air Force
    Controls a network of blacklisted satellites, not avail to the public.
    The general public has another network of less advanced satellites available for use.

    All sats are contolled and maintained by AFSCN.
    So if your internet and tech devices aren't spying on you, you can bet the eye in the sky is.
    The current public network will allow for +/- 5mm accuracy per coordinate point recorded.. (Construction)

    Go take a look at Google maps satellite.. zoom in all the way...
    Thats a regular Joe public sector sat.
    Now imagine what the military has..
    They could probably give you a clean shave if they so chose too.

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