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Chel'gret or Plesh Brekh... I frakkin hate you Cryptic...
hereticknight085
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As long as I have had my Reman, I have always been dying to give it a Chel'gret. Reason? Yeah, it's not as monstrously powerful as my Scimitar, but I still had a blast with that ship shortly after I got it last winter. And I wanted to have that wonderful enjoyment with my Romulan toons.
I figured that would never be, sighed, and went on to new things.
And then Cryptic re-released it this year. I was stoked. I can FINALLY give my Romulan toons the wonderful party known as the Chel'gret Warship. Until I saw the Plesh Brekh... and I realized that that ship was actually quite good. Granted I don't have one yet (hell no am I spending lobi at that level), but from what I have seen of it's stats and what I know a ship with those stats can do, I was sold.
But here's the thing. You can only get a total of 1400 portraits. And each ship costs 1k. So this presents me with a dilemma. Short of spending lobi, there is no way I can get both ships for my Romulan toons. It's a foregone conclusion that my Fed and KDF toons are getting the Plesh Brekh, considering they already have the Chel'gret... but my Romulan toons? I gotta choose.
@#$*^)#@&%*#&$@!!!!!! Such a hard choice... I frakkin hate you Cryptic...
P.S. Nice job so far with the Winter Wonderland. Other than the couple of bugs, it's great!
I figured that would never be, sighed, and went on to new things.
And then Cryptic re-released it this year. I was stoked. I can FINALLY give my Romulan toons the wonderful party known as the Chel'gret Warship. Until I saw the Plesh Brekh... and I realized that that ship was actually quite good. Granted I don't have one yet (hell no am I spending lobi at that level), but from what I have seen of it's stats and what I know a ship with those stats can do, I was sold.
But here's the thing. You can only get a total of 1400 portraits. And each ship costs 1k. So this presents me with a dilemma. Short of spending lobi, there is no way I can get both ships for my Romulan toons. It's a foregone conclusion that my Fed and KDF toons are getting the Plesh Brekh, considering they already have the Chel'gret... but my Romulan toons? I gotta choose.
@#$*^)#@&%*#&$@!!!!!! Such a hard choice... I frakkin hate you Cryptic...
P.S. Nice job so far with the Winter Wonderland. Other than the couple of bugs, it's great!
It is said the best weapon is one that is never fired. I disagree. The best weapon is one you only have to fire... once. 
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honestly, the chel'gret is my most favourite ship in the game...imo perfect boff seating for PVE and i dig the design.
my advice would be to get each ship on 2 other chars, test both and then deside. Or wait for first reviews from players.
Plesh brekh has really big shoes to fill. So far the stats look promising, but a raider without cloak? hmmm...
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I'm going through the same thing. I did some math (based on the DPS listing of my weapons in system space) and the best I can figure here are the most important high points of each:
The Chel Gret will do more damage. Yes the Brek has 5 tac consoles, but the two extra rear weapons on the Chel Gret are just too good.
The Chel Gret has a bigger hull. Flown like an escort, that would be a great advantage over the Brek.
HOWEVER
The Plesh Brek has a more useful console (at least IMO). Good for both PVE AND PVP. the Chel Gret console will likely not be very effective against players because most will have resists.
The Plesh Brek has a MUCH better Bridge Officer layout. With all those universals you can do almost anything with it. The Chel Gret is much more limited (and engineering lacking IMO) Sure being able to throw out GW is nice, but not if you're dead.
Overall it's a really tough choice. I think I'll stack up my Q pics without feeding the rep project until the end and see what people say about Plesh Brek.
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Hence... my dilemma. And tbh, I don't have enough lobi to get both for both my Rommie toons, and I would rather spend lobi on something else to begin with. So instead I shall suffer and be forced to choose. Go figure lol...
There's always next year!
After all, the only Breen ship they have left to add next year (assuming they even do) would be the Sarr Theln, which is even more butt-ugly than the other Breen ships (and too big to be playable).
That didn't stop most of the ridiculously huge ships in game. Like the Obelisk whale skull.
There is a problem in this which has bugged me but meh ... I'll say it now
Your join date is roughly same as mine ... since then I created 7 other toons all bar 1 is a rom/reman.
That's fine in all the fine and dandy part but the part is 6 of those toons now have to Choose between ship a) or b)
all fine and dandy but when you bring in a new race and they have to pick and choose between the pair and considering the consoles now have set procs it's just wrong.
New accounts should not be given the option of either ship ... it should only be the Raider.
Roms created when there where and if their account was before the WW'12 event should get a free token but be made to get the Raider via the normal chore of the daily grind.
It's only fair that vets and the rest who created the Rom/Reman toons should have a chance to have both ships without having to use real cash/lobi ... it's just not morally correct.
Don't forget about the 4 uni boff seats! Last time I checked the Ha'feh didn't have those.
My feds are the most conflicted. The uni slots on the Plash make it more flexible for an engineering frigate than the corvette I'm currently using, but my engi also does power drains and the Chel would be awesome for that, plus there are not many fed destroyers with 35k hull and 13 turn-rate so it fills a big hole. Fed sci could also benefit from both ships.
but this is a business, it doesn't have to be fair in any shape or form. And it seems lobi and lockbox is their #1 reveniew.
if you want both you gotta pay (not even necessary to do it with real money) or wait a year.
AND i think that raider or the chel'gret are a bad choice for a romulan or reman character...anything that has no cloak is not an option for a romulan char, imo.
probably the Romulan BoP won't be transformed into a raider, but even if not it still seems a better choice compared to the breen raider.
Also I love how the Sarr Theln looks and super hope that it's next year ship. Or even a lobi ship. I'd pay for it. Engineering or Science heavy flight deck cruiser? YEssss.
I am kinda wondering how useful the 'Flanking' is going to be on a ship that can't cloak to get that first shot in for the Grett.
But then I'm drawn to the game because I'm a trekkie and want to see/fly iconic trek vessels. So there's much less appeal in ships like this for me.
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Sure, the Plesh Brek is slightly more manoeuvrable, has Flanking and a much more flexible Boff layout, but the LtC universal on the T'Varo is quite sufficient in itself, the additional turret and Cloaking help damage and manoeuvrability and it has better shields.
On the other hand, there's nothing really close to the Grett among warbirds. The Mogai is the closest but switches the LtC to eng and has 1 less turret.
Toi'Va, Ti'vath, Toivia, Ty'Vris, Tia Vex, Toi'Virth: Add Tier 6 KDF Carrier and Raider.
Tae'Va, T'Vaya, To'Var, Tevra, T'Vira, To'Vrak: Give us Asylums for Romulans.
Don't make ARC mandatory! Keep it optional only!
Dehlan. One less rear weapon, but one extra tac console, cloak, and romulan space magic powers.
The Dhelan has a very useless ensign tac (to me, anyway) and is overall much more of a typical escort that by some wonder got better shields.
I still haven't found a build I'd want to use on the Dhelan.
EDIT: Oh, and the additional tac console ain't really a plus in my eyes as I hate not to have place for uni consoles.
Toi'Va, Ti'vath, Toivia, Ty'Vris, Tia Vex, Toi'Virth: Add Tier 6 KDF Carrier and Raider.
Tae'Va, T'Vaya, To'Var, Tevra, T'Vira, To'Vrak: Give us Asylums for Romulans.
Don't make ARC mandatory! Keep it optional only!
http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=946531
Also faster, can turn better, but has lower hull and shield mod and different console layout.
It's more appropriate to compare the Grett to Fleet level ships, and then curiously, it looses on shields with the Dhelan.
Toi'Va, Ti'vath, Toivia, Ty'Vris, Tia Vex, Toi'Virth: Add Tier 6 KDF Carrier and Raider.
Tae'Va, T'Vaya, To'Var, Tevra, T'Vira, To'Vrak: Give us Asylums for Romulans.
Don't make ARC mandatory! Keep it optional only!
Why is it more appropriate to compare it to fleet versions? C-store or lobi store versions i can see those, but why on earth compare it to fleet versions?
As Ursusmorologus says, 10 consoles is a first hint. Second hint would be higher shields and hull, typically. And Fleet ships are typically close to Lobi/Lockbox level ships.
C-Store ships, on the other hand, are typical Tier 5 nine console ships, with the exception of 3 packs, those already possess 10 consoles and typically higher than average hull/shields.
Clearly the Chel Grett is a variation on the Fleet Advanced escort theme. Basically the same shields, switching a tac console for an eng one, loosing turn and inertia for some hull and 4th turret. As a bonus, it has a uni Ens Boff slot.
(The Plesh Brek is formed similarly, it has shields of any Fleet BoP, switches manoeuvrability (with the Battlecloak) for hull and better flanking and while it's commander ain't universal, it gains a 5th Boff slot, the ensign.)
Toi'Va, Ti'vath, Toivia, Ty'Vris, Tia Vex, Toi'Virth: Add Tier 6 KDF Carrier and Raider.
Tae'Va, T'Vaya, To'Var, Tevra, T'Vira, To'Vrak: Give us Asylums for Romulans.
Don't make ARC mandatory! Keep it optional only!
This is not entirely true.
You can earn more portraits than that, without lobi. The race is 40 days long with a cooldown of 20hours between each race.
40 days times 24 hours a day gets 960 hours.
Divide that by the cooldown 960/20=48 times you can run the race
Times that by the amount of portraits is 48x40=1920 portraits a year.
Now I know it is unlikely and you will have to be on your toes to do it, but if they carry over the ships from year to year, you can be well in to getting everything next year, if you started early during this years event.
Actually it's only 35 days. And tbh, who would go on at the exact 20 hour mark? Every bloody day? Dude, I have a life outside of STO. And said life takes up quite a lot of my time. So I was just complaining that they gave access to two great ships, and now I gotta pick between the two since I like to hoard my lobi XD.
meh at least you like the winter event enough to play it.. I wanted that ship then I realized I despised the winter wonderland events
No its 42 days.