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Coming to a Shipyard near you (Raiders)

flash525flash525 Member Posts: 5,441 Arc User
edited December 2013 in Star Trek Online General Discussion
Taken directly from the latest Dev Blog (seen here):
While more detailed information about its stats and special console will be posted in tomorrow?s Dev Blog, I?ll say this much ? it?s a Raider, minus a cloaking device, plus a substantial playstyle upgrade that will be coming to the Raider class as a whole at a future date.
So I'm expecting to see more Raider Type ships in the future. Firstly, how do people feel about this? Secondly, anyone care to speculate on how a Raider Type ship might work?

My only line of thought is that they're going to go Bird of Prey style for the Federation and Romulans (in that each faction will receive vessels with a full universal layout); birds of prey are essentially raiders in their own right. Makes me wonder how dysfunctional said new ship is going to make current escorts.

It stands to reason they'll be tactical focused, with a minimal crew, minimal hull & shielding, yet a good weapon loadout (likely 5/2).
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  • hyplhypl Member Posts: 3,719 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    I think raiders should stay exclusive to Klingons, but this winter ship can slide for all factions.

    I'm guessing maybe raiders will have some sort of flanking bonus in space? Or more maneuverability and speed?
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  • tenkaritenkari Member Posts: 2,906 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    They are talking about the Klingon Raider line (AKA BoP's). they never said they were adding in raiders for the other factions, they said their current raider line will be getting a unique upgrade.
  • rezkingrezking Member Posts: 1,109 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    flash525 wrote: »
    Taken directly from the latest Dev Blog (seen here):So I'm expecting to see more Raider Type ships in the future. Firstly, how do people feel about this? Secondly, anyone care to speculate on how a Raider Type ship might work?

    My only line of thought is that they're going to go Bird of Prey style for the Federation and Romulans (in that each faction will receive vessels with a full universal layout); birds of prey are essentially raiders in their own right. Makes me wonder how dysfunctional said new ship is going to make current escorts.

    It stands to reason they'll be tactical focused, with a minimal crew, minimal hull & shielding, yet a good weapon loadout (likely 5/2).

    I don't think they're referring to another new ship type for the Feds and Rommies, but I'd say make a beefier Peregrine as a Raider equivalent.
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  • mirrorchaosmirrorchaos Member Posts: 9,844 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    tenkari wrote: »
    They are talking about the Klingon Raider line (AKA BoP's). they never said they were adding in raiders for the other factions, they said their current raider line will be getting a unique upgrade.

    first i need to read of this from a member of the cryptic staff if it is kdf only. secondly there is no mention of it being kdf specific. the aquarius, saber and defiant are more raider like then most type in the federation, heavy firepower, frigate sized, lightly armoured and shielded as well as maneuverable. rommies obviously have the t'varo and if they can add the t'liss as t5 it would also be a raider as well.
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  • azurianstarazurianstar Member Posts: 6,985 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    hypl wrote: »
    I think raiders should stay exclusive to Klingons, but this winter ship can slide for all factions.

    I'm guessing maybe raiders will have some sort of flanking bonus in space? Or more maneuverability and speed?

    I agree.

    Klingons have hardly anything left unique to them, and the BoP pretty much is the only thing left.
  • assimilatedktarassimilatedktar Member Posts: 1,708 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    azurianstar wrote: »
    I agree.

    Klingons have hardly anything left unique to them, and the BoP pretty much is the only thing left.

    Okay, playing devil's advocate here for a moment. Does the Federation have anything unique? As far as I can tell the Romulans are the only ones with their sucky cores (pun intended).
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  • tenkaritenkari Member Posts: 2,906 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    mirrorchaos wrote: »
    first i need to read of this from a member of the cryptic staff if it is kdf only. secondly there is no mention of it being kdf specific. the aquarius, saber and defiant are more raider like then most type in the federation, heavy firepower, frigate sized, lightly armoured and shielded as well as maneuverable. rommies obviously have the t'varo and if they can add the t'liss as t5 it would also be a raider as well.

    http://sto.gamepedia.com/Playable_starship#Types look closely at the charts that say what types of vessels each faction has..... which all that information is taken from THE SHIPYARD ITSELF.

    so currently.... yes only KDF have raider class vessels. despite what you wish, the Saber, and defiant are classed as escorts. the Aquarius is classed as a destroyer, and the T'Varo is still a warbird.
    assimilatedktar wrote: »
    Okay, playing devil's advocate here for a moment. Does the Federation have anything unique? As far as I can tell the Romulans are the only ones with their sucky cores (pun intended).

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  • assimilatedktarassimilatedktar Member Posts: 1,708 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    tenkari wrote: »
    true Non c-store science ships.

    If you want to argue like that only the KDF has true non C-Store battle cruisers in addition to raiders.
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  • tenkaritenkari Member Posts: 2,906 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    assimilatedktar wrote: »
    If you want to argue like that only the KDF has true non C-Store battle cruisers in addition to raiders.

    do note though, that outside of 1 C-store ship of 2 KDF ship types, fed's dont have their own ship lines (not counting cross faction ships here) for both battlecruisers and carriers. so per faction, technically the KDF still has majority.
  • dahminusdahminus Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    If that new Breen raider is the norg bop I've been asking for...i...i just don't know how to thank cryptic in a really sincere way...

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  • madmoparmadmopar Member Posts: 234 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    mirrorchaos wrote: »
    first i need to read of this from a member of the cryptic staff if it is kdf only. secondly there is no mention of it being kdf specific. the aquarius, saber and defiant are more raider like then most type in the federation, heavy firepower, frigate sized, lightly armoured and shielded as well as maneuverable. rommies obviously have the t'varo and if they can add the t'liss as t5 it would also be a raider as well.

    They will have to lose a bit of shield modifier and several thousand hull points to be raiders.
  • neoakiraiineoakiraii Member Posts: 7,468 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    The only raiders in this game at the moment are the Bird of Preys.
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  • orangeitisorangeitis Member Posts: 5,222 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    tenkari wrote: »
    They are talking about the Klingon Raider line (AKA BoP's). they never said they were adding in raiders for the other factions, they said their current raider line will be getting a unique upgrade.
    What raider line? What raider do you think stands with the Plesh Brek? The only other playable raiders are BOPs, period.
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  • trhrangerxmltrhrangerxml Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    I hope the Aquarius is included in this update, probably one of the most worthless escorts in the game. T'Varo and Defiant really took a lot out of BoP (T'Varo more than the Defiant), I'm really happy to see they are getting a revamp.
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  • orangeitisorangeitis Member Posts: 5,222 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    trhrangerxml wrote: »
    I hope the Aquarius is included in this update, probably one of the most worthless escorts in the game.
    The Aquarius is a destroyer. And destroyer or escort, why would they get a bonus for raiders?
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  • ursusmorologusursusmorologus Member Posts: 5,328 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    Just because it says destroyer doesnt mean it is one. Its the closest thing to a BOP in either of the Fed or Rom fleets. Weak hull, 4/2 hard-points, TRIBBLE ship really.
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  • tenkaritenkari Member Posts: 2,906 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    ursusmorologus wrote: »
    Just because it says destroyer doesnt mean it is one. Its the closest thing to a BOP in either of the Fed or Rom fleets. Weak hull, 4/2 hard-points, TRIBBLE ship really.

    that's like saying the Vesta should be given the flight deck cruiser comm array commands because its "the closest thing to a flight deck cruiser the Fed's have"
  • questeriusquesterius Member Posts: 8,463 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    neoakiraii wrote: »
    The only raiders in this game at the moment are the Bird of Preys.

    And although they're given a different name they share a similar function: Aquarius and Risian Corvette.
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  • ursusmorologusursusmorologus Member Posts: 5,328 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    tenkari wrote: »
    that's like saying the Vesta should be given the flight deck cruiser comm array commands because its "the closest thing to a flight deck cruiser the Fed's have"
    Thats a terrible analogy. Vesta has 3/3 hard-points instead of 4/4, plus sensor analysis clearly marks it as a science ship. Nobody would confuse it with a cruiser.

    On the other hand the Aquarius has identical loadout and hull to BOP. The other ships people have mentioned are tactical frigates, but the Aquarius has no purpose except as a light assault vessel that's missing the cloak (which means it has no purpose, and why nobody uses it).
    questerius wrote: »
    And although they're given a different name they share a similar function: Aquarius and Risian Corvette.
    Risan Corvette is actually too much ship to qualify. It has too much hull and too many hard-points.
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  • orangeitisorangeitis Member Posts: 5,222 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    questerius wrote: »
    And although they're given a different name they share a similar function: Aquarius and Risian Corvette.
    The Aquarius doesn't have any of the unique features that BoPs get. Namely a battle cloak(which apparently isn't a standard raider featuure however) or universal BOFF stations. And the Risian corvette has a +15 bonus to engines. Something that can be reasonably assumed is unique to corvettes.

    They aren't raiders.
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  • bitemepwebitemepwe Member Posts: 6,760 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    assimilatedktar wrote: »
    Okay, playing devil's advocate here for a moment. Does the Federation have anything unique? As far as I can tell the Romulans are the only ones with their sucky cores (pun intended).

    The MVA is unique to the feds as far as I know.
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  • lordfuzunlordfuzun Member Posts: 54 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    bitemepwe wrote: »
    The MVA is unique to the feds as far as I know.

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  • cptshephardcptshephard Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    lordfuzun wrote: »
    *cough**cough*Haakona*cough*

    I would have considered the Haakona seperation more like a cruiser's saucer seperation.
  • bitemepwebitemepwe Member Posts: 6,760 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    lordfuzun wrote: »
    *cough**cough*Haakona*cough*

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  • neoakiraiineoakiraii Member Posts: 7,468 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    cptshephard wrote: »
    I would have considered the Haakona seperation more like a cruiser's saucer seperation.

    Except it's not....you can't pick which part to use on a Galaxy, or Odyssey, where on the Prometheus, and Haakona, you can.

    Hell the description of the Haakona pretty much says it was from the plans the Romulans stole from the Prometheus.
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  • bitemepwebitemepwe Member Posts: 6,760 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    Well seems the feds only have the larger playerbase then since the roms took the MVA and the klingons took the........what have the Klingons taken again?

    The feds dont need a starfleet raider class. Its against their ethos as raiding and pillaging is not the role of the hero.
    If its a fed decloaking alpha striker they need, they have it in the Defiant. If its a battle cloaking alpha striker, the fedroms fill that better than any BoP does.
    The Breen Raider as a cross faction vessel will definately fill that raider niche for the feds withoit having to slice off more KDF factional uniqueness.
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  • neoakiraiineoakiraii Member Posts: 7,468 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    Feds have more SCI ships
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  • cptshephardcptshephard Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    neoakiraii wrote: »
    Except it's not....you can't pick which part to use on a Galaxy, or Odyssey, where on the Prometheus, and Haakona, you can.

    Hell the description of the Haakona pretty much says it was from the plans the Romulans stole from the Prometheus.

    True.

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  • bitemepwebitemepwe Member Posts: 6,760 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    neoakiraii wrote: »
    Feds have more SCI ships

    As they should. Science is the backbone of the federation. This is why I as a KDF never pushed for a lot of KDF sci ships and wanted only a very narrow choice for those fans whom liked playing science.
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  • jexsamxjexsamx Member Posts: 2,803 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    Whatever it is I hope it coincides with a BoP three-pack with a 5/2 weapons layout ala Kumari.
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