This seems to be an even more golden-er of an age of vape: now with more vaping. Mini? Think so?
it has been since season 9. nice and legit like with BO + torps, clickies not even needed. the bio torp nerf with torp spread totally kicked that in the taint though :mad:
I know you didn't like the Undine Torp TS nerf, but a HY3 Bio-Torp still rocks, don't ya think? Kick s in the taint suck, but whenever I feel like Cryptic kicked me in the taint I go to the STO wiki and read about all the wonderful PvP dreams that will be coming 'soon' and am in bliss.
I know you didn't like the Undine Torp TS nerf, but a HY3 Bio-Torp still rocks, don't ya think? Kick s in the taint suck, but whenever I feel like Cryptic kicked me in the taint I go to the STO wiki and read about all the wonderful PvP dreams that will be coming 'soon' and am in bliss.
the HY is slow, can be outran easily so it never hits, and can just miss entirely. it also wont stack a ton of procs or sheering like spread will. the HY is only any good if you can release it reliably at 0 range
you know its funny how people say a 14 torp spread 3 is buged, but don't also say a non targetable, non blow back heavy torp, isn't.
the HY is slow, can be outran easily so it never hits, and can just miss entirely. it also wont stack a ton of procs or sheering like spread will. the HY is only any good if you can release it reliably at 0 range
lots of fragile little escort pilots that love to joust a destroyer w/ HY
the HY is slow, can be outran easily so it never hits, and can just miss entirely. it also wont stack a ton of procs or sheering like spread will. the HY is only any good if you can release it reliably at 0 range
I've actually have been having decent results with the HY2 and HY3. It hits like a truck. But that's on my vape build. I can see how the TS nerf/fix is annoying when it's used as a more general use torpedo.
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the HY is slow, can be outran easily so it never hits, and can just miss entirely. it also wont stack a ton of procs or sheering like spread will. the HY is only any good if you can release it reliably at 0 range
you know its funny how people say a 14 torp spread 3 is buged, but don't also say a non targetable, non blow back heavy torp, isn't.
I do run a HY3 Bio molecular torpedo with C-C console and complete protonic arsenal set with six points in each torpedo skills, on Scimitar.
TS2 was broken, but HY3 fully buffed out of cloak at few meters from target is a flying nuke. Drawback is it travels slower, but if it hits on bare hull, it will do more than TS2 or TS3 did alone. I tractor targets as well, and before they can realize what's going on they're popping. I've seen people do uber crits with it.
I used to pvp much more than I do now back when it didn't take so long waiting in a queue and I found the "vape" to be a real enjoymen killer. Is the victor in a "vape launch/ vape survival fight just a person who can hit the "TT/RSP/FBP the fastest when the "vape" sound starts winding up? I used to like the give and take of damage dealt versus engineering skill repair fight more fun and it felt more "canon" (a term often mocked by the "hardcore" pvp'ers) Skills and builds seem practically irrelevant when "vapes" are so prevalent.
Ever seen a Snooper go after a cloaker and hear them QQ about how unfair it was?
If it's something like a snooper sci boat, I'm fine with it. But it gets a little unfair and unbalanced if a Fed-Rom with EptA and TDF in a T'varo does it. And that's only because the KDF doesn't have the same snooper abilities.
Isaac the Adequate - Level 70 Oath of Devotion Paladin
the HY is slow, can be outran easily so it never hits, and can just miss entirely. it also wont stack a ton of procs or sheering like spread will. the HY is only any good if you can release it reliably at 0 range
you know its funny how people say a 14 torp spread 3 is buged, but don't also say a non targetable, non blow back heavy torp, isn't.
I think you should reconsider EBM HY torp. Based on several weeks of blowing up Klinks in Kerrat, many of which are posters in this thread, I have been quite pleased with its effectiveness. While it's true that faster targets are harder to hit, I have not seen a high miss rate with this torp.
The TS was bugged so I don't have an issue with the fix since it's not a nerf when it wasn't suppose to hit more than 4 times per activation.
If it's something like a snooper sci boat, I'm fine with it. But it gets a little unfair and unbalanced if a Fed-Rom with EptA and TDF in a T'varo does it. And that's only because the KDF doesn't have the same snooper abilities.
It's all fair game, mate. I don't have a problem with you using it, but I would love to be able to do it too, as a kind of counter. That's the meaning of the last sentence.
Isaac the Adequate - Level 70 Oath of Devotion Paladin
Ever seen a Snooper go after a cloaker and hear them QQ about how unfair it was?
I hear it all the times. But solution is simple - don't cloak. Nobody forced you to fly a BC ship, it's much harder to kill a target with shields although I managed to solo the like of Natasha (and her Cheese interceptors) and CryoX's FAW+FBP boat 2 weeks ago. A lot of it is due to perfect timing and a bit of crit luck, so not easily replicable. I much prefer go after BC Klinks, everything else being equal.
It's all fair game, mate. I don't have a problem with you using it, but I would love to be able to do it too, as a kind of counter. That's the meaning of the last sentence.
Also, I think Drunk was talking about the EBM.
In truth, TDF is red herring to drive Klinks nuts. Perception only greatly increases with Sensor Scan. Or you only need EPTA + skill. Many times, Mini and others will QQ loudly after getting one shot out of cloak by blaming TDF but they react with disbelief when told TDF wasn't even active at that time. In comparison, I find it much harder to flash you out compared to Mini and others - because you actually know how to pilot a ship. You also react more quickly as opposed to Mini who is just clumsy in his failed attempts to escape.
In truth, TDF is red herring to drive Klinks nuts. Perception only greatly increases with Sensor Scan. Or you only need EPTA + skill. Many times, Mini and others will QQ loudly after getting one shot out of cloak by blaming TDF but they react with disbelief when told TDF wasn't even active at that time. In comparison, I find it much harder to flash you out compared to Mini and others - because you actually know how to pilot a ship. You also react more quickly as opposed to Mini who is just clumsy in his failed attempts to escape.
The point is you don't need TDF to counter me.
You're right. I should probably try EptA3, Jem Deflector and Sensor before wanting TDF, but STO has been a female dog to me lately and likes to give me 1fps. I just wish the B'rel was 4 sci consoles, though. I could make a sexy hunter with Sensor Consoles.
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Oh, but I do. I actually had one in my inventory for a while. Contrary to popular believe, I don't fly just Birds-of-Prey, and when stuck in a torpedo spamming fedball, they come in handy.
Isaac the Adequate - Level 70 Oath of Devotion Paladin
I think you should reconsider EBM HY torp. Based on several weeks of blowing up Klinks in Kerrat, many of which are posters in this thread, I have been quite pleased with its effectiveness. While it's true that faster targets are harder to hit, I have not seen a high miss rate with this torp.
The TS was bugged so I don't have an issue with the fix since it's not a nerf when it wasn't suppose to hit more than 4 times per activation.
Agreed. I've had much better success with it then I ever did with a Quantum HY salvo. So it may miss occasionally and is not the "never miss" Torp spread but if used right ie at very close range on a tractored target it murders.
Agreed. I've had much better success with it then I ever did with a Quantum HY salvo. So it may miss occasionally and is not the "never miss" Torp spread but if used right ie at very close range on a tractored target it murders.
Well, part of that is all the insane boosts to Photon right now. I mean, +10% crit to Photon from the Dyson set is massive.
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Oh, but I do. I actually had one in my inventory for a while. Contrary to popular believe, I don't fly just Birds-of-Prey, and when stuck in a torpedo spamming fedball, they come in handy.
Surely, you mean to say FAW spamming Fed ball... you know, AA doesn't last very long inside a spam of torpedoes.... Then again, a Klink tried to RSP Torps yesterday in Kerrat, suffice to say that Klink was Klink-gone quickly....
Well, part of that is all the insane boosts to Photon right now. I mean, +10% crit to Photon from the Dyson set is massive.
+13% to be exact from the set
It's important but from a base DMG standpoint, still slightly less than a Quantum.
Having both Quantum & Photon set ups, I use Photons for the synergy with the unique torp launchers. I also replace Nukara mines with Photon mines with CtrD x 3. These mines can also one shot cloakers as they will chain crit at as much as 20K a piece.
remember if you use omega shearing the boost of 13% then the mako?? gives another boost and then use 4 photon consoles with the bonus to acc and things just got real HY3 and 2 is just nasty
It's important but from a base DMG standpoint, still slightly less than a Quantum.
Having both Quantum & Photon set ups, I use Photons for the synergy with the unique torp launchers. I also replace Nukara mines with Photon mines with CtrD x 3. These mines can also one shot cloakers as they will chain crit at as much as 20K a piece.
Super Bosted photon mines might be fun to try. I never really think of mines...
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the HY is slow, can be outran easily so it never hits, and can just miss entirely. it also wont stack a ton of procs or sheering like spread will. the HY is only any good if you can release it reliably at 0 range
not only at 0 range.
And yeah. Non-targetable HY is the only HY that can survive FAW teams, spread, GW and pet spam so I don't think it's wrong.
I've always wondered about the folks that die to those things...it's one thing if they've been buff stripped and debuffed to Hell; but other than that - I just don't get it.
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it has been since season 9. nice and legit like with BO + torps, clickies not even needed. the bio torp nerf with torp spread totally kicked that in the taint though :mad:
the HY is slow, can be outran easily so it never hits, and can just miss entirely. it also wont stack a ton of procs or sheering like spread will. the HY is only any good if you can release it reliably at 0 range
you know its funny how people say a 14 torp spread 3 is buged, but don't also say a non targetable, non blow back heavy torp, isn't.
I've actually have been having decent results with the HY2 and HY3. It hits like a truck. But that's on my vape build. I can see how the TS nerf/fix is annoying when it's used as a more general use torpedo.
I do run a HY3 Bio molecular torpedo with C-C console and complete protonic arsenal set with six points in each torpedo skills, on Scimitar.
TS2 was broken, but HY3 fully buffed out of cloak at few meters from target is a flying nuke. Drawback is it travels slower, but if it hits on bare hull, it will do more than TS2 or TS3 did alone. I tractor targets as well, and before they can realize what's going on they're popping. I've seen people do uber crits with it.
If it's something like a snooper sci boat, I'm fine with it. But it gets a little unfair and unbalanced if a Fed-Rom with EptA and TDF in a T'varo does it. And that's only because the KDF doesn't have the same snooper abilities.
I think you should reconsider EBM HY torp. Based on several weeks of blowing up Klinks in Kerrat, many of which are posters in this thread, I have been quite pleased with its effectiveness. While it's true that faster targets are harder to hit, I have not seen a high miss rate with this torp.
The TS was bugged so I don't have an issue with the fix since it's not a nerf when it wasn't suppose to hit more than 4 times per activation.
Resistance is futile!
Love your QQ btw....
It's all fair game, mate. I don't have a problem with you using it, but I would love to be able to do it too, as a kind of counter. That's the meaning of the last sentence.
I hear it all the times. But solution is simple - don't cloak. Nobody forced you to fly a BC ship, it's much harder to kill a target with shields although I managed to solo the like of Natasha (and her Cheese interceptors) and CryoX's FAW+FBP boat 2 weeks ago. A lot of it is due to perfect timing and a bit of crit luck, so not easily replicable. I much prefer go after BC Klinks, everything else being equal.
In truth, TDF is red herring to drive Klinks nuts. Perception only greatly increases with Sensor Scan. Or you only need EPTA + skill. Many times, Mini and others will QQ loudly after getting one shot out of cloak by blaming TDF but they react with disbelief when told TDF wasn't even active at that time. In comparison, I find it much harder to flash you out compared to Mini and others - because you actually know how to pilot a ship. You also react more quickly as opposed to Mini who is just clumsy in his failed attempts to escape.
The point is you don't need TDF to counter me.
You don't even have an Aceton!
You're right. I should probably try EptA3, Jem Deflector and Sensor before wanting TDF, but STO has been a female dog to me lately and likes to give me 1fps. I just wish the B'rel was 4 sci consoles, though. I could make a sexy hunter with Sensor Consoles.
Oh, but I do. I actually had one in my inventory for a while. Contrary to popular believe, I don't fly just Birds-of-Prey, and when stuck in a torpedo spamming fedball, they come in handy.
Agreed. I've had much better success with it then I ever did with a Quantum HY salvo. So it may miss occasionally and is not the "never miss" Torp spread but if used right ie at very close range on a tractored target it murders.
Well, part of that is all the insane boosts to Photon right now. I mean, +10% crit to Photon from the Dyson set is massive.
Surely, you mean to say FAW spamming Fed ball... you know, AA doesn't last very long inside a spam of torpedoes.... Then again, a Klink tried to RSP Torps yesterday in Kerrat, suffice to say that Klink was Klink-gone quickly....
+13% to be exact from the set
It's important but from a base DMG standpoint, still slightly less than a Quantum.
Having both Quantum & Photon set ups, I use Photons for the synergy with the unique torp launchers. I also replace Nukara mines with Photon mines with CtrD x 3. These mines can also one shot cloakers as they will chain crit at as much as 20K a piece.
Super Bosted photon mines might be fun to try. I never really think of mines...
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not only at 0 range.
And yeah. Non-targetable HY is the only HY that can survive FAW teams, spread, GW and pet spam so I don't think it's wrong.
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and Defiant? Where's Defiant? y u no vape with Defiant? Where's ur Defiant?!?! I DIDN'T SEE VAPER DEFIANT.
Ain't nobody got time for dat.
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