Some things just dont translate well into games. In the movies and shows Riker may speak for Picard, but if the writers wanted to they could have Picard tell Riker to shut the eff up. But in STO you arent watching this going on you are actually a part of it. I cant tell Tovan to shut up, stand down, as you were, or stay on your station. I have to sit there and listen to his (sometimes bad) dialogue. Unless i'm given the option to hear what my first officer has to say or just go with what i think is right i would rather just have my first officer there being supportive or being quiet. I think there was only one time where i was given the option "what do you think Tovan" and that was during the Khitomer mission.
And this will continue to be the case into the foreseeable future. We are not Mass Effect Online. :P
I like the fact of having your first Boff have some background story, and I believe they should expand on it for your first Boff of each type, your first Engineering, Tactical, and Science Bridge Officer. It adds some background to your crew and gives you something to base your Bios for them (for those that actually care to write one). Its like SWTOR, but a bit less involved, in that you don't have to run special missions for them, but I wouldn't mind some bonus background conversations becoming available as you promote them, or they stay with you for a certain fixed amount of time. Makes your Boffs seem a little more then just faceless minions and cannon fodder, even if that's what we do with them anyway, but now we'll feel more guilty about it. Thanks Cryptic for playing on my morals. :rolleyes:
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But I want to write the backstories and personalities for my personalized minions.
You still can... As the captain you can 'override' Starfleet's records of them to your liking, and they be none the wiser. :cool:
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Then you're clearly doing something wrong. Romulan Operative is easy to get, it's the Superior version that's harder and Tovan doesn't have it.
well, "easy" is quite relative here...on the exchange it is a few millions. and the doff mission is really rare and doesn't even garantie a superior operative.
and it is only a 0.5% difference between them, so imo not worth the investment when you get 2 doffs 4 free.
getting tovan and satra is "easy"...getting a superior operative boff, (possibly with subterfuge too) is way, way harder.
for me 0,5% more crtH doesn't justify devoting all that time or resources to do that.
also, if it was "that easy" the price on the exchange would probably be much lower. even normal romulan operative isn't that cheap!
for the average (romulan) joe, tovan and satra are fantastic boffs, with fantastic traits.
and i'm pretty sure that among those who desperately want to delete him are many people that have drastically inferior boffs to replace him.
can anybody tell me what the new boff's traits are? i really don't need another leadership boff!
on a related issue: boff traits are broken anyway right now, imo! a) no trait should stack with exactly the same trait...
b)there are too few space traits, all races should have atleast 2 possible space traits unique to them.
c)superior operative is way too powerfull on itself
I'm my humble opinion, Tovan Khev have sense in the main Romulan History Arc, but let's be realistic, not being abble to discharge him after the conclusion of the history arc is annoying. His Skills do not justify the use of the BOFF Slot.
It's one slot you have to buy another one if want to use.
The big picture is: I think most of the people are upset because we don't have the right to discharg him, it's a loss of free will in-game.
It's always funny how people complain about having to pay for stuff in a F2P-Game. If you are that unhappy with a free boff with Romulan Operative and Plasma Weapon Specialist you shouldn't have a problem with buying additional BO slots (I just upgraded Satra zu Superior Romulan Operative and Veril to Superior Infiltrator, works great). The game makes money by selling people improvements. Or would you prefer it if the game would freeze every 15 minutes and show you 5 minutes of advertisements like free TV channels do?
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its always funny ppl trying to forced stuff on to me that I don't want i did not ask for any permanent boff with poor voice overs i can buy the boffs <<<<I WANT>>>> off the exchange
its always funny ppl trying to forced stuff on to me that I don't want i did not ask for any permanent boff with poor voice overs i can buy the boffs <<<<I WANT>>>> off the exchange
Woops. Sorry! *puts disruptor away* I didn't mean to force you to play a completely free game.:cool:
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Sometimes, if you want to bury the hatchet with a Klingon, it has to be in his skull. - Captain K'Tar of the USS Danu about J'mpok.
im talking about the boff and you know that :rolleyes:
That's part of the game. If you play Romulan you are forced to have Tovan Khev on your roster. Just as you are forced to fly Romulan warbirds. You don't have to use Khev though. You can just buy a few BO slots. Far cheaper than getting a lockbox ship with a warp core to fix the other limitation.
FKA K-Tar, grumpy Klingon/El-Aurian hybrid. Now assimilated by PWE.
Sometimes, if you want to bury the hatchet with a Klingon, it has to be in his skull. - Captain K'Tar of the USS Danu about J'mpok.
That's part of the game. If you play Romulan you are forced to have Tovan Khev on your roster. Just as you are forced to fly Romulan warbirds. You don't have to use Khev though. You can just buy a few BO slots. Far cheaper than getting a lockbox ship with a warp core to fix the other limitation.
or how about the more reasonable thing the >>option<< to kick him sorry not like that asking for the dev to move heaven and earth
He only has Basic Romulan Operative though, the one you really want is Superior Romulan Operative (SRO).
You know how the first 4 boffs are always the named ones? what about the generic boff rewards you get after them? non of your boffs rewarded after Hiven are SRO? i think they are mostly randomized, but i must have really good luck because on one toon two of the generic boffs i got had SRO. On another toon that i wasnt playing much i found that 2 of my candidates were also SRO so i mailed them to my main Romulan toon. I'm thinking about rolling some toons and leveling them just to see if i can get more boffs with SRO lol.
No. Trust me, that was something I was looking for. None of my BOFF have SRO, and the DOFF mission never appeared so far for me. I had the regular allied DOFF mission, and I have a lot of various fed BOFF, but no Romulan SRO.
And the missions where you had the first BOFF can't be replayed for a random BOFF (like azure or the KDF equivalent). Which is a bad idea.
Which mean, the only known way to have SRO is doing the DOFF mission and get lucky. Or buy it for an insane price on the exchange. So, RO is better than nothing, since I'm not lucky, and not that rich.
Well, just finished reading the last DEV blog of Season 8, about the new Federation Tutorial.
Maybe I interpreted wrong, but seems the FED toons will have their own version of Tovan Khev, that BOFF we can't fire.
Can any DEV clarify to us if this new BOFF called "Cadet Elisa Flores" will be implemented in the same way as Tovan Khev?
I'm my humble opinion, Tovan Khev have sense in the main Romulan History Arc, but let's be realistic, not being abble to discharge him after the conclusion of the history arc is annoying. His Skills do not justify the use of the BOFF Slot. I have seen so many people with similar opinions about this, that seems worthy of your attention.
If you want to keep this pattern with one BOFF, just make their Skills better and the history arround them rich.
You don't want your Romulan Operative space trait? (Crit chance + Crit severity for all weapons) Guess you could always slot a human in his place (meager hull repair) or any other species you like (NOTHING)
I liked Tovan, the first two times around, but then...I just wish they gave us a second option like maybe a female version of Tovan. You'd just need another voice actor. Or perhaps if there were some different skins to chose from.
No. Trust me, that was something I was looking for. None of my BOFF have SRO, and the DOFF mission never appeared so far for me. I had the regular allied DOFF mission, and I have a lot of various fed BOFF, but no Romulan SRO.
And the missions where you had the first BOFF can't be replayed for a random BOFF (like azure or the KDF equivalent). Which is a bad idea.
Which mean, the only known way to have SRO is doing the DOFF mission and get lucky. Or buy it for an insane price on the exchange. So, RO is better than nothing, since I'm not lucky, and not that rich.
Ohh no i wasnt talking about a doff mission. After you get Hiven who is the last named BoFF you still get other boff candidates as you level. On my romulan tac captain my first free boff after Hiven was a Klingon female tac, but then i got some more after her and two of them ended up being rare or very rare and they had SRO. They were either random rewards you get as you leveled or they may have even been tied to a mission (i wasnt really paying attention)
Is this character of yours new? were they leveled using the Q buff? on your episodes list have you finished Wastelands series (nimbus III), Vengeance Series and Freedom Series? Trust me though all i did to level was episode content, no doff missions or exchange purchases and i got SROs from leveling. It might be just like i said and you got unlucky with your mission rewards.
Ohh no i wasnt talking about a doff mission. After you get Hiven who is the last named BoFF you still get other boff candidates as you level. On my romulan tac captain my first free boff after Hiven was a Klingon female tac, but then i got some more after her and two of them ended up being rare or very rare and they had SRO. They were either random rewards you get as you leveled or they may have even been tied to a mission (i wasnt really paying attention)
Is this character of yours new? were they leveled using the Q buff? on your episodes list have you finished Wastelands series (nimbus III), Vengeance Series and Freedom Series? Trust me though all i did to level was episode content, no doff missions or exchange purchases and i got SROs from leveling. It might be just like i said and you got unlucky with your mission rewards.
I've made the character the day LoR was released. I was eagerly looking for RO, and I didn't earn it during leveling. I just checked on Wiki, and the only BOFF you can earn after the first 4 + the allied BOFF, is your old friend from Virinat (I won't spoil for those who don't know him). He have a unique BOFF trait, but not RO.
I don't know where you found your BOFF, but you were lucky
I've made the character the day LoR was released. I was eagerly looking for RO, and I didn't earn it during leveling. I just checked on Wiki, and the only BOFF you can earn after the first 4 + the allied BOFF, is your old friend from Virinat (I won't spoil for those who don't know him). He have a unique BOFF trait, but not RO.
I don't know where you found your BOFF, but you were lucky
Nah it was just like i said all i did was level using episode content, no foundry stuff, no doff missions just regular episode content. The only difference between me and you is that the two toons that i noticed it on were recently made, within the past week or two.
I do have a character that i made on LoR release but i only see two original boff rewards (non named), both are rare quality but both of them have subterfuge. If there were random boffs rewarded to me on that old character i must have used them for training only. My candidate list is empty and my bridge is full of fem-feds hehe. Possibly i got SROs on this old character but back then i didnt know about SRO so i didnt know to look, or it was possible to get them back then but i didnt cause i also had bad luck, or back then it wasnt possible to get them and it was a recent change.
If you really really want to get those SRO but you dont want to pay exchange prices then level another Romulan toon lol. The named boffs like Tovan thru Hiven all get automatically added to your active roster. But the non named ones get put on your candidate roster. So if you do get one you can mail it to your alt (since its a candidate) or you can even sell it on the exchange.
three of my alts have rare officers i can choose that have SRO and subterfuge options including 1 very rare with subterfuge in the mix after just checking. guess the odds worked in my direction for once on STO! this was all from just leveling as i have little to no use for doffing.
as for Tovan though, he is like noise in the background, when you play certain tracks long enough you loose focus on the music and after a while you ignore it like noise in the background, that is what Tovan is to me, i never pay attention to him.
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Flores, lol! I think it's funny how it's become "token Mexicans" who end up in movies and games these days. And before anyone cries "you're being a hater racist" you need to check yourself because I'm half Mexican.
Flores, lol! I think it's funny how it's become "token Mexicans" who end up in movies and games these days. And before anyone cries "you're being a hater racist" you need to check yourself because I'm half Mexican.
:P
You're being a hater, and racist, and being half Mexicans changes nothing.
Last I check Flores is not a Mexican only name, in comes from Spain, and many Latin American countries use it.
She does not even have an accent, so how the hell is she the Token Mexican, Picard is French and the guy speaks with an English accent.
and since you can make her look how you want later, she can be any nationality you want.
I did the tutorial last night and I have to say Flores is far better than Tovan. Purple tac with ALL superior traits while Tovan is a normal purple with the token superior traits. She does not pop up constantly yapping and giving you orders in the tutorial missions like Tovan does. After seeing her last night and her quality I would be happy to dismiss one of my BOFFs to get her on a level 50.
As for token Mexican... She didnt look like a stereotyped Mexican, didnt have a Mexican accent... Yeah thats grasping at racism straws.
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In the spirit of my last few posts on the forums here, I'll continue my tradition of saying: options are always better than no options. We should be able to dismiss Tovan Khev, Cadet Flores, and whoever else they decide to 'force' on us.
That being said, I like Tovan Khev, K'Gan, and I will probably like Flores too. Why? Because it's nice to get some important characters from the universe on our team. It helps to add immersion to the game by making your BOFFs have a real backstory and a real personality. For that reason, I like Satra, Veril and the others too. I haven't discharged any of them yet, and I probably won't.
Now, as I said, they should be able to be discharged. Some people want to make their own BOFFs and their own backstories. Customization is important to people, and this is no exception. I have a lot of custom BOFFs too and I know that making them can be a lot of fun. Once one of these 'unique' BOFFs is no longer required by the story, let people dismiss them. Even better, have an option at the end of the story to, for example, either send Tovan off to take care of Rinna or let him stay aboard your ship. If you pick the latter, he still can be discharged normally later, but picking the former gives you a story reason to part ways with him on good terms, and gives a sense of resolution to things.
In the end, I think the unique characters are a wonderful addition to the game, especially the ones who get special costume pieces that allow them to be completely unique from any buyable BOFFs, and I love that you can still customize their outfits/appearance while using these special costume pieces. I enjoy that they are people you met, and got to know and have some kind of history with. But do allow them to be discharged, Cryptic -- not everyone wants to be forced to be stuck with Tovan Kvev taking up a slot permanently.
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And this will continue to be the case into the foreseeable future. We are not Mass Effect Online. :P
You still can... As the captain you can 'override' Starfleet's records of them to your liking, and they be none the wiser. :cool:
They should let us choose after the main history Arc IF we keep them or not.
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I want to make a Fed Five Man Band like I have with my Romulans. Who, in my head-canon, are pointy-eared versions of the Liberator crew.
Tovan is the Avon to my Blake and if I could get these clothes, I'd be happy as heck.
well, "easy" is quite relative here...on the exchange it is a few millions. and the doff mission is really rare and doesn't even garantie a superior operative.
and it is only a 0.5% difference between them, so imo not worth the investment when you get 2 doffs 4 free.
getting tovan and satra is "easy"...getting a superior operative boff, (possibly with subterfuge too) is way, way harder.
for me 0,5% more crtH doesn't justify devoting all that time or resources to do that.
also, if it was "that easy" the price on the exchange would probably be much lower. even normal romulan operative isn't that cheap!
for the average (romulan) joe, tovan and satra are fantastic boffs, with fantastic traits.
and i'm pretty sure that among those who desperately want to delete him are many people that have drastically inferior boffs to replace him.
can anybody tell me what the new boff's traits are? i really don't need another leadership boff!
on a related issue: boff traits are broken anyway right now, imo! a) no trait should stack with exactly the same trait...
b)there are too few space traits, all races should have atleast 2 possible space traits unique to them.
c)superior operative is way too powerfull on itself
It's always funny how people complain about having to pay for stuff in a F2P-Game. If you are that unhappy with a free boff with Romulan Operative and Plasma Weapon Specialist you shouldn't have a problem with buying additional BO slots (I just upgraded Satra zu Superior Romulan Operative and Veril to Superior Infiltrator, works great). The game makes money by selling people improvements. Or would you prefer it if the game would freeze every 15 minutes and show you 5 minutes of advertisements like free TV channels do?
Sometimes, if you want to bury the hatchet with a Klingon, it has to be in his skull. - Captain K'Tar of the USS Danu about J'mpok.
system Lord Baal is dead
Woops. Sorry! *puts disruptor away* I didn't mean to force you to play a completely free game.:cool:
Sometimes, if you want to bury the hatchet with a Klingon, it has to be in his skull. - Captain K'Tar of the USS Danu about J'mpok.
im talking about the boff and you know that :rolleyes:
system Lord Baal is dead
That's part of the game. If you play Romulan you are forced to have Tovan Khev on your roster. Just as you are forced to fly Romulan warbirds. You don't have to use Khev though. You can just buy a few BO slots. Far cheaper than getting a lockbox ship with a warp core to fix the other limitation.
Sometimes, if you want to bury the hatchet with a Klingon, it has to be in his skull. - Captain K'Tar of the USS Danu about J'mpok.
or how about the more reasonable thing the >>option<< to kick him sorry not like that asking for the dev to move heaven and earth
system Lord Baal is dead
And the missions where you had the first BOFF can't be replayed for a random BOFF (like azure or the KDF equivalent). Which is a bad idea.
Which mean, the only known way to have SRO is doing the DOFF mission and get lucky. Or buy it for an insane price on the exchange. So, RO is better than nothing, since I'm not lucky, and not that rich.
You don't want your Romulan Operative space trait? (Crit chance + Crit severity for all weapons) Guess you could always slot a human in his place (meager hull repair) or any other species you like (NOTHING)
Tovan Khev is my homeboy.
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Ohh no i wasnt talking about a doff mission. After you get Hiven who is the last named BoFF you still get other boff candidates as you level. On my romulan tac captain my first free boff after Hiven was a Klingon female tac, but then i got some more after her and two of them ended up being rare or very rare and they had SRO. They were either random rewards you get as you leveled or they may have even been tied to a mission (i wasnt really paying attention)
Is this character of yours new? were they leveled using the Q buff? on your episodes list have you finished Wastelands series (nimbus III), Vengeance Series and Freedom Series? Trust me though all i did to level was episode content, no doff missions or exchange purchases and i got SROs from leveling. It might be just like i said and you got unlucky with your mission rewards.
I don't know where you found your BOFF, but you were lucky
Nah it was just like i said all i did was level using episode content, no foundry stuff, no doff missions just regular episode content. The only difference between me and you is that the two toons that i noticed it on were recently made, within the past week or two.
I do have a character that i made on LoR release but i only see two original boff rewards (non named), both are rare quality but both of them have subterfuge. If there were random boffs rewarded to me on that old character i must have used them for training only. My candidate list is empty and my bridge is full of fem-feds hehe. Possibly i got SROs on this old character but back then i didnt know about SRO so i didnt know to look, or it was possible to get them back then but i didnt cause i also had bad luck, or back then it wasnt possible to get them and it was a recent change.
If you really really want to get those SRO but you dont want to pay exchange prices then level another Romulan toon lol. The named boffs like Tovan thru Hiven all get automatically added to your active roster. But the non named ones get put on your candidate roster. So if you do get one you can mail it to your alt (since its a candidate) or you can even sell it on the exchange.
she is. and no where near as annoying as Khev
as for Tovan though, he is like noise in the background, when you play certain tracks long enough you loose focus on the music and after a while you ignore it like noise in the background, that is what Tovan is to me, i never pay attention to him.
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Flores, lol! I think it's funny how it's become "token Mexicans" who end up in movies and games these days. And before anyone cries "you're being a hater racist" you need to check yourself because I'm half Mexican.
:P
You're being a hater, and racist, and being half Mexicans changes nothing.
Last I check Flores is not a Mexican only name, in comes from Spain, and many Latin American countries use it.
She does not even have an accent, so how the hell is she the Token Mexican, Picard is French and the guy speaks with an English accent.
and since you can make her look how you want later, she can be any nationality you want.
IDIC fail.
I laughed so hard at this XD
As for token Mexican... She didnt look like a stereotyped Mexican, didnt have a Mexican accent... Yeah thats grasping at racism straws.
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That being said, I like Tovan Khev, K'Gan, and I will probably like Flores too. Why? Because it's nice to get some important characters from the universe on our team. It helps to add immersion to the game by making your BOFFs have a real backstory and a real personality. For that reason, I like Satra, Veril and the others too. I haven't discharged any of them yet, and I probably won't.
Now, as I said, they should be able to be discharged. Some people want to make their own BOFFs and their own backstories. Customization is important to people, and this is no exception. I have a lot of custom BOFFs too and I know that making them can be a lot of fun. Once one of these 'unique' BOFFs is no longer required by the story, let people dismiss them. Even better, have an option at the end of the story to, for example, either send Tovan off to take care of Rinna or let him stay aboard your ship. If you pick the latter, he still can be discharged normally later, but picking the former gives you a story reason to part ways with him on good terms, and gives a sense of resolution to things.
In the end, I think the unique characters are a wonderful addition to the game, especially the ones who get special costume pieces that allow them to be completely unique from any buyable BOFFs, and I love that you can still customize their outfits/appearance while using these special costume pieces. I enjoy that they are people you met, and got to know and have some kind of history with. But do allow them to be discharged, Cryptic -- not everyone wants to be forced to be stuck with Tovan Kvev taking up a slot permanently.