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  • twebster1977twebster1977 Member Posts: 41 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    Two additional ship slots is 500 zen as we speak.

    Why is this a topic of conversation?

    Because there is a limit on the amount you can buy, and myself and others think it should be raised
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  • twebster1977twebster1977 Member Posts: 41 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    The limit is for technical reasons -- we would love to allow more ship slots, and hope to be able to offer that in the future.

    Cheers,

    Brandon =/\=


    Brandon,

    Thanks for replying. I totally understand the technical reasons. I don't want you guys thinking im trolling, I'm not. Been playing since the start. I own pretty much everything in the fed c store as this is the only game I play. I am also pretty happy with the direction things are going in. I am ardent supporter of STO. My ONLY complaint is the ship slot limit should be raised, even if you raise it by 6 slots for example I would be happy with that and so would a lot of other players. Thanks for replying!

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  • mwhitakermwhitaker Member Posts: 131 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    The real underlying reason behind the character assets limit is that everyone's characters are stored on Cryptic's servers, although client related character files are stored locally, and the servers only are configured to support so much expansion of a character's partition space, until overwise modified by Cryptic's IT team.
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  • twebster1977twebster1977 Member Posts: 41 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    mwhitaker wrote: »
    The real underlying reason behind the character assets limit is that everyone's characters are stored on Cryptic's servers, although client related character files are stored locally, and the servers only are configured to support so much expansion of a character's partition space, until overwise modified by Cryptic's IT team.

    Exactly.....and I understand their concern. Especially with the game expanding the way it has. I just hope they raise the limit even a little :)
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  • kapla1755kapla1755 Member Posts: 1,249
    edited November 2013
    erei1 wrote: »
    While I understand the reasons behind, there is still a concern. There are new free ships regularly. We must be close to 3-5/year. Those free ships can't be reclaim, no matter what, and they are lost FOREVER if deleted. I'm talking about the Risan corvette, the Breen ship...

    Can you add them to the claim section of the Cstore once unlocked, so we can delete and retreive them at will ?
    mwhitaker wrote: »
    The real underlying reason behind the character assets limit is that everyone's characters are stored on Cryptic's servers, although client related character files are stored locally, and the servers only are configured to support so much expansion of a character's partition space, until overwise modified by Cryptic's IT team.

    It is most likely a database issue think of it this way:

    every ship, its equipped gear, each boff, all their equipped gear, you personal bank, account bank and all that gear plus your character info is stored in the database times that by how many players have ever played STO since they don't wipe out old accounts hopefully there are at least 2 backups of the entire database in case of catastrophic failure and you get the idea.

    My original character had everything unlocked tons ships but it came to the point of I never flew 90% of the ships, several of the giveaway ships are still boxed in storage as I knew I wasn't likely to fly them soon but I do like to collect them.

    Frankly being able to rebox or reclaim limited time ships you have unlocked would free up a lot space if it was made availible even for a small service charge.
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  • valiant797valiant797 Member Posts: 101 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    I had suggested in a previous thread the ability to "drydock" a ship.

    In terms of IT/infrastructure, I think it might be a fair trade to have to strip a ship of equipment, so basically you are only saving that you own the ship and its costume. I realize it may take more time to re-equip the ship, but ships that are drydocked aren't intended to be whipped out and used right away.
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  • annemarie30annemarie30 Member Posts: 2,698 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    valiant797 wrote: »
    I had suggested in a previous thread the ability to "drydock" a ship.

    In terms of IT/infrastructure, I think it might be a fair trade to have to strip a ship of equipment, so basically you are only saving that you own the ship and its costume. I realize it may take more time to re-equip the ship, but ships that are drydocked aren't intended to be whipped out and used right away.


    well it may disrupt the whole lockbox/lobi store system, but make them account wide,with the ability to send them to alts, who can essentially be additional docks for the ships, just as the Navy hsa ships in San Diego Hawaii and Norfolk, let alt A be Hawaii and alt B be Norfolk, reassing the JHDC to alt B. or let then transfer it even if they are flagged as non-usable.
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  • twebster1977twebster1977 Member Posts: 41 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    well it may disrupt the whole lockbox/lobi store system, but make them account wide,with the ability to send them to alts, who can essentially be additional docks for the ships, just as the Navy hsa ships in San Diego Hawaii and Norfolk, let alt A be Hawaii and alt B be Norfolk, reassing the JHDC to alt B. or let then transfer it even if they are flagged as non-usable.

    I think slightly raising it by say 4 to six slots would be great, so if the limit is 30, then it would be 36 + whatever extra slots players have from vet rewards.

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  • twebster1977twebster1977 Member Posts: 41 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    kapla1755 wrote: »
    It is most likely a database issue think of it this way:

    every ship, its equipped gear, each boff, all their equipped gear, you personal bank, account bank and all that gear plus your character info is stored in the database times that by how many players have ever played STO since they don't wipe out old accounts hopefully there are at least 2 backups of the entire database in case of catastrophic failure and you get the idea.

    My original character had everything unlocked tons ships but it came to the point of I never flew 90% of the ships, several of the giveaway ships are still boxed in storage as I knew I wasn't likely to fly them soon but I do like to collect them.

    Frankly being able to rebox or reclaim limited time ships you have unlocked would free up a lot space if it was made availible even for a small service charge.

    See I fly different ships all the time everytime I play so I want access to all of them when Id need em :)
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  • mwhitakermwhitaker Member Posts: 131 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    Why don't they just and an option to offload your ships to your fleet starbase--add a docking bay holding or something so people can "dock" (store) their ship(s) at their fleet starbase. Seems simple enough.
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  • eradicator84eradicator84 Member Posts: 1,116 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    yeah raising the limit would be nice but just delays the problem, as Cryptic is constantly coming out with new ships.

    Dry-docking a ship sounds like a good solution.

    It'll come to a point where all my slots will be lobi/lockbox ships that I can't actually delete without significant financial/time loss.
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  • twebster1977twebster1977 Member Posts: 41 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    yeah raising the limit would be nice but just delays the problem, as Cryptic is constantly coming out with new ships.

    Dry-docking a ship sounds like a good solution.

    It'll come to a point where all my slots will be lobi/lockbox ships that I can't actually delete without significant financial/time loss.

    Well I think something does need to happen. Raising the limit would be a good solution for now :)
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  • xero328xero328 Member Posts: 131 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    I have been here since beta, lifer, several toons, spent a fortune in real money on zen, etc, etc. I am a collector. I go after every ship, every item, you get the picture. I figured out a long time ago that eventually, I would run out of ship slots as new ones came out and many are not reclaimable. That isn't right, I worked hard and spent money acquiring these ships, and I should not have to dismiss them as new ones come out. I made this VERY clear in SEVERAL bug reports over the last couple of years, knowing this day would come. It has. I have an Elachi Monbosh and the new lockbox Voth ship sitting in my bank, because I have NO SLOTS to open them into. I will soon have the lobi Voth one as well. This is WRONG. Cryptic devs have done nothing but send me the automated reply for two years about this concern, and now it is a viable and real problem. I am NOT the only person that collects ships, and I will be DAMNED if I have to RELEASE money ships to make more room!

    Devs, I implore you...Do something about this problem. Expand the ship slots to 100, or make more of the ships reclaimable once purchased. I should NOT have to delete a cash ship I bought a year ago to make room for a new one I purchased with keys. EVERY ship that costs MONEY to buy should be reclaimable once purchased. I am AT MY LIMIT with space, AND with you cheap punks. This is a legitimate gripe I have, a REAL problem, and I have been IGNORED for FAR too long!

    This is MY game, not yours. It was made for Star Trek fans like me, who want to interact with others and enjoy living in the world of Trek for hours at a time. I RUN a fleet, and play daily. I spend a fortune. I don't rip you guys often, because you do a great job on most everything. Okay, I don't love that shard is down for maintenance three days in a row, but I GET that it is a new release with new problems that you need to address. I am sympathetic to what needs to be done.

    I am simply pointing out to you what ELSE needs to be done. For me to spend money buying keys and opening lockboxes to get a ship, I should NOT have to delete another I got the same way. It is VERY simple. How many ships can one person have? 60 or so? How many slots are there per character? 39? Something is OFF. I'm not asking for an accolade, although ship collecting would make sense, but I currently have released EVERY ship that I CAN reclaim, and I repeat, EVERY ship I have at the moment I CANNOT release and reclaim for free. Sadly, I have 2 other ships I cannot open, and they both cost me money. I should NOT have to choose. Step up, admit you missed this and ignored me for TWO YEARS, and fix the problem. If not, explain why it is beyond you to adjust the slot total. Seems pretty easy, I am sure most of the players who are cpu programmers could do it or explain how.

    Ignoring me is not feasible anymore, I am taking it to the forums. You have disrespected me by not addressing or acknowledging this OBVIOUS flaw for a long time now, and now it directly affects my gameplay. I'm not threatening a petition, a walkout, none of that. I shouldn't need to. I presented you with a problem, reasoned out why changes need to be made, and am willing to overlook the fact that I have done so to a bunch of blind people up until now, as long as it is resolved. I have tickets responses dated back almost 2 full years about this in my email, way back before we used zen, okay? I have longevity on some of you. Please treat this issue seriously, because it is blatantly affecting my gameplay, in that, I have no bank space, ship slots, and you people can make it all better by expanding the amount of ship slots per character. Do it RIGHT though, and make it a LARGE expansion so this doesn't resurface again in two years.

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  • westx211westx211 Member Posts: 42,332 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    I'm sorry from your title it sounded as if there was a bug or something but no you just have an issue with ship slots. On another note I agree with you as I too can't fit many more ships.
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  • tenkaritenkari Member Posts: 2,906 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    considering the database space that comes with all these ships, what their gear takes, and thats just per character, and considering how many characters one can have, it would take up a lot of database space.

    I have 12 total character slots, with all the BO's and ships you can get by maxxing the roster space for both.... thats a massive amount f database enteries. I have not bought any ship slots or BO slots but when i switch from one char to another, it takes a while to load up the information, meaning it's taking the servers time to find your information and send it all to you, make the database too big and it could take a super long time.

    look at what they did to the mail system when it became too big because of the way they had it set up initially. if it gets too far out of hand they might actually cut the limit on BO and Ship slots, its highly unlikely that they will make them bigger.



    spread your special ships among several characters, you can still own them all, just dont own them all on the same char.
  • lordlalolordlalo Member Posts: 460 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    xero328 wrote: »
    I have been here since beta, lifer, several toons, spent a fortune in real money on zen, etc, etc.

    Yeah? No ****? Me too. Your point?
    xero328 wrote: »
    I am a collector.

    Hey! So am I!
    xero328 wrote: »
    I go after every ship, every item, you get the picture.

    Indeed I do get the picture.
    xero328 wrote: »
    I figured out a long time ago that eventually, I would run out of ship slots as new ones came out and many are not reclaimable. That isn't right, I worked hard and spent money acquiring these ships, and I should not have to dismiss them as new ones come out.

    Did you know that you can go back at any time and reclaim these ships (retro-re-fits notwithstanding)? I would expect someone with a lifetime account and playing since beta that you would have seen the "Zen - 0" button next to the ships you've already bought. This is also the same across your account -- you can go to other toons on the account and claim these ships, delete them, and claim them again. My wife bought just one of the Vestas, when she saw the aux cannon she wanted to get the other three... I told her "STOP!" went and took that aux cannon off her ship, DELETED IT, reclaimed it, took the aux cannon, DELETED IT, and reclaimed and put the two cannons on it for her.

    This game is not putting you into this self-made stranglehold you've created, you're doing that yourself.
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  • westx211westx211 Member Posts: 42,332 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    Lordlalo he's talking about lockbox ships bot the c store reclaimables.
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  • unangbangkayunangbangkay Member Posts: 10 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    lordlalo wrote: »
    This game is not putting you into this self-made stranglehold you've created, you're doing that yourself.

    This is true for so many complaints on this board that it's almost depressing.
  • packer3434packer3434 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    xero328 wrote: »

    This is MY game, not yours.

    You're wrong here.

    You don't have more characters who can have the new ships you've acquired? I have a toon who has 18 lockbox/fleet ships non of which I can dismiss and reclaim for free so I use my other characters for the newer ships.

    It also get me playing them more than just my main.
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  • kheldrynkheldryn Member Posts: 75 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    packer3434 wrote: »
    You're wrong here.

    You don't have more characters who can have the new ships you've acquired? I have a toon who has 18 lockbox/fleet ships non of which I can dismiss and reclaim for free so I use my other characters for the newer ships.

    It also get me playing them more than just my main.
    +1

    I also just make new captains when i want to try out other ships. I have 7 Characters, soon to be 8 once Season 8 Crashing thing is fixed. Each captain uses different ships, My Tac guy didn't get the Free Cruisers at launch (Ambassador or Oddesy). He pilots escorts. My engineer only has Cruisers, My Science, Science... Mind I have a few that mix'n match, but those are the ships from leveling and once i find ships I like I'll like get rid of those freebies for Lobi, Key or Zen-Ships. Really, try playing more than 1 captain instead of whining.
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  • marc8219marc8219 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    We should at least get a free slot when purchasing end game ships or opening a lockbox or lobi ship. I know it discourages me from purchasing more ships.
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  • xero328xero328 Member Posts: 131 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    lordlalo wrote: »
    Yeah? No ****? Me too. Your point?



    Hey! So am I!



    Indeed I do get the picture.



    Did you know that you can go back at any time and reclaim these ships (retro-re-fits notwithstanding)? I would expect someone with a lifetime account and playing since beta that you would have seen the "Zen - 0" button next to the ships you've already bought. This is also the same across your account -- you can go to other toons on the account and claim these ships, delete them, and claim them again. My wife bought just one of the Vestas, when she saw the aux cannon she wanted to get the other three... I told her "STOP!" went and took that aux cannon off her ship, DELETED IT, reclaimed it, took the aux cannon, DELETED IT, and reclaimed and put the two cannons on it for her.

    This game is not putting you into this self-made stranglehold you've created, you're doing that yourself.

    Listen...Every ship I currently have is NOT reclaimable without laying out money for them. I KNOW which ones I can reclaim...Those have been released for more space, which is currently filled by...OTHER ships that are NOT reclaimable. Please do not condescend to me, I want them on one character. I only play the one character, and if you want to say it is MY fault for this situation, well, I saw this coming two years ago and have diligently requested something be done about the pending issue for quite some time with no action being taken.

    If they cannot increase the total slots, then make more of the ships RECLAIMABLE for free. If you paid for something, you should be able to reclaim it at no cost because you paid for it once already. Beyond that reasoning, their system is set up to allow for this to happen. If they don't want to adjust something or cannot increase the slot limit, then allow for more ships to be reclaimable.

    And if you disagree, fine. You are entitled to your opinion. But if this topic doesn't jive with your thoughts, then WHY did you troll and attack me, when most everyone else here is of like-mind?

    Also, I didn't condescend to you or anyone else. I'd thank you to not do so to me. I don't need you to spell out things as if I were comparing myself to you or complaining to you. I wasn't. Don't even know you, pal. So go find someone that doesn't mind your trolling comments and attitude.

    If you haven't noticed, I am posting exactly on the topic and thread that I intended to. Oh, and no one asked for your opinion, especially if what you say here doesn't further our cause...To bring it to their attention finally, and maybe get something done about it. Glad you are a lifer too...Again, I wasn't talking to you OR any other players. It was directed towards the devs.
  • xero328xero328 Member Posts: 131 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    I have noticed some trollers claiming that we are complaining because we want to play all the ships on our main character and why don't we distribute the ships over the rest of them.

    Ahem.

    I only speak for myself, but no one asked you. This post was directed for the devs to read and notice. If you want to come up with ideas, I do appreciate it. Thank you for trying to be helpful, even if it is said in a way to demean what we want to do. that is, have access to all the ships on one character and play our main.

    I do not want to play my others, but thank you for the suggestion. I personally cannot dismiss any more ships and reclaim them for free later, but thank you for that as well.

    If they cannot or will not expand the number of slots, then perhaps they will make ANY ship that must be paid for reclaimable once it is owned. By THAT character, and not across the account. I am not trying to get something for nothing, In am only trying to keep what I paid for and continue to collect and PAY FOR more ships for my main character. It is not too much to ask. If I open a lockbox and receive the Elachi Monbosh, then I can sell it, trade it, or move it to another character. But the character I open it with should bind it to him, and be reclaimable as well.

    I don't understand why this is not done. I happen to be asking the devs here, no one else. I have yet to receive an actual response on this subject from them in two years, and trollers and those of you even with the answer (perhaps) are not the persons I am asking. Am I complaining? Perhaps. Am I irritated I have been ignored and this subject not handled yet? Certainly. Is it my fault for buying every ship to collect them? Um, that IS the goal they are trying to achieve. I am sure they want everyone to spend money on every release, which is what I do. I am holding up my end. All I am asking for is to be able to have them all with the character I play, and to do so we need either more slots or to be able to dismiss freely without having to REPURCHASE what I paid for and then had to dismiss because....? Because there are not enough SLOTS, which was the point. If they do not increase the slots, then make less ships applicable to this problem with the slots.

    Why do I want them all on one character? Probably because I only PLAY that character. To those of you suggesting putting them on another toon, that is the same as letting it sit in my bank. I am not asking for a lot...I am really asking for them to justify buying more ships because currently I have two in the bank I have no room to open. I am asking for a reason to buy more ships. They need to provide me with that. I am not getting into a flame war or bashing people that are either trying to help, or just rudely disagreeing and talking down to me. If you aren't a dev, kindly just don't reply to my posts. You are not helping, and it is not appreciated. Further, I am sure your helpfulness will go a lot farther towards someone who might take your advice and not mind your harsh attitudes (in some cases.)

    Devs...Reply please. Brandon, I'd love to hear why you guys cannot make the lobi and lockbox ships reclaimable across NOT the whole account, but just that character. I think if I spend the money on a new ship, I shouldn't effectively LOSE a ship (that I previously paid for) because of an oversight that I brought up over two years ago and has not been addressed. Further, is there some reason why my big reports and messages on this have been IGNORED? Talk about rude.
  • timelord79timelord79 Member Posts: 1,852 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    Cryptic could create an NPC (a Ferengi or a Zakdorn) that will take any ship on commission into his drydock for free.
    In exchange you get a matching ship token which can be stored in inventory or personal bank and is character bound.
    Let's say you give him a Temporal Destroyer and get a Temporal Destroyer token for it which you can then go back at any time and turn that in back for a Temporal Destroyer plus a modest dilithium fee or something. No idea what would be fair here as basically a price for renting storage space.

    From a technical stand point this would remove the ship completely from your character and free up the ship slot while taking an inventory slot and ultimately cost you some mild extra resources to get back to compensate for the revenue loss.

    Though I am not sure how high the demand would be for this. The number of players who max their ship slots with unreclaimable ships must be less than 1% of the player base.
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  • hodhedhelhodhedhel Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    Its beyond dumb to have a maximum limit (39 iirc) to the amount of ship slots you can buy. Note the "Can buy" there. People want to spend more money on the game, but the system wont let them!
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