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No love for Vulcan?
ghyudt
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I was just wondering why there aren't more Vulcan ships in this game? It touches briefly on Vulcan in the first few missions, but you never see any Vulcan battleships or cruisers anywhere. The only one available in the store is the D'Kyr science vessel, and it kind of seems like there shuld be more support ships for it. Or perhaps it should be supporting bigger, tactically based cruisers. I just find it hard to believe that the coolest ships from the show aren't even given a fair shake in this game. At least give us a Surak class cruiser. (Yes, I'm a cruiser captain, and yes, I like huge ships).
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Sometimes, if you want to bury the hatchet with a Klingon, it has to be in his skull. - Captain K'Tar of the USS Danu about J'mpok.
If they have anything, its a small defensive force, some sci ships and transports.
They changed quite a lot in the two centures after the "Kir Shara" incident.
Fron TNG:"Unification" part 2
RIKER: We're investigating the disappearance of a Vulcan ship.
OMAG: Well you've got the wrong Ferengi. I never trade in Vulcan ships.
RIKER: We know that you're involved.
OMAG: Who would want a Vulcan ship? Vulcans are pacifists. I deal in warships. Can somebody get me a napkin?
And if there's one thing we can say about a Ferengi, it's that they know their merchandise.
The reason it failed was because you could see that the writers were at best casual Star Trek viewers, and that it constantly had to reference the other shows to remind people that it was STAR TREK!!!!:eek: And did it extremely poorly. Sure, the Enterprise NX-01 makes first contact with the Ferengi. And then for 200 friggin years while they expand the Federation never runs into Ferengis. Or the Organians. Sure, they had to meet them before Kirk, and they almost ran into the Cardassians too. All with a warp 5 engine. Never get me started on that show, the best thing about it was the theme song (okay, and the ship designs, even though they don't fit into the progression from TOS at all). The only worse Star Trek is Abrams-TRIBBLE.
Sometimes, if you want to bury the hatchet with a Klingon, it has to be in his skull. - Captain K'Tar of the USS Danu about J'mpok.
It was actually the producers who feared change.
That's why it was precisely like the 24th century but with word combinations that didn't make any sense in the show's context. "Hull plating offline" was the prime example. They reused the same phrase they would have used for shields but put "plating" in its place.
It's armor. If it's offline it's BROKEN and must be replaced, you can't bring it back online because it's GONE.
Also, we know from "The Cage" that in the earlier 23rd century Starfleet still used lasers.
Would it not have been more interesting had the crew of "Enterprise" been forced to rely on other methods to stun people than "Phase Pistols" which were another case of "just use the same as always and stick another name on it"? Tranc darts that have a "surprise" effect depending on what kind of physiology they hit wold've been more creative and an actual change. Depending on who they hit they could've accidentally killed, or freaked the other guy out LSD-style, done nothing or actually done their job on occasion. It would've made things interesting, would've more low-tech and would've been an actual change to the show.
They way B&B approached the matter, the would've made a show about Napoleon and given him tanks, machine guns and cruise missiles. The only "change" would be that tanks would be called "tank pods", the machine guns would be "mach-cannons" and the cruise missiles would be called "cruisic missiles".
The guy who made this site sums up a few of my thoughts rather well and brings up a lot of other excellent points: http://www.firsttvdrama.com/enterprise/
The reason Voyager, Enterprise, and the 2nd reboot failed for me is that they abandoned their premise. Voyager should have looked more like "The Year of Hell". Enterprise had lots of potential to show the introduction of technologies from Zefram Cochrane to Kirk (Dilithium Crystals, Transporters, Replicators etc). The 2nd reboot wasn't original at all.
Not that the first reboot didn't leave me with a lot of questions. A mining ship (not a military ship) from the near future makes short work of a Federation Fleet?
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According to STO Nero's ship was modified with Borg tech, but I don't think they even needed that. One bit of reasoning I saw was that Nero's ship was simply 150 years newer and built with better tech. Those same weapons that slaughtered a 2250s Federation fleet would have been laughed at by a contemporary ship such as the Enterprise-E.
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Thats a matter of opinion... I think Enterprise was well worth watching... The only Star Trek I really got bored by, was Voyager.
Nope. Check out Countdown comics part 3 page 12.
Nero's ship Narada got outfitted w/ borg nanotechnology on a secret Romulan military base. Probably w/ nanoprobes that adapt and learn and gain in mass as they advance.
And good for you, I have hundreds of questions about the first reboot film... :P
I concur. I quite enjoyed Enterprise myself. Never understood why that particular show gets so much bashing.
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Me I liked it but even liking it some it was by far my least favorite Star Trek show even Star Trek The Animated Series I like a ton more.
Hull plating gets more hate than it deserves. Though they didn't really make it clear, the hull plating was supposed to 'harden' when exposed to an electric current or something. Similar principle to how starship hull members could be energized with the structural integrity field so they could handle more stress. The hull plates were always there, but after taking a beating, they lost the capability to be as tough, and so were vulnerable to being pierced or broken.
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In all honesty, it makes more sense for the KDF to have such ships, at least in this game. They come across as more the type to take control and then utilize the captured technology and ships in its original form along with adding it onto their ships. As long as the technology is on par with the current ships, it works well enough. Especially with STO having the KDF be an Empire that has its subject species serving extensively on military vessels. It's not the canon Klingon Empire, but then again. . .we're not working within the guidelines of strict canon.
It was supposedly based on a RL ceramic that gets stronger when an electric current is put through it. Fine, that means energy weapons can't penetrate it so easily.
So it takes a bigger shot to get through than without polarization.
Think about it for a minute: it's like putting current through a light bulb which then glows.
When you beat the light bulb, the bulb gets damaged and eventually breaks, NOT the power socket/power source. But that's the kind of reverse thinking those...producers applied.
When you put more power into it, it suddenly glows again?
Or are you telling me the shooting supposedly interrupted the current without actually damagin the plating? How's that supposed to work? The plating is there to protect what's BEHIND it, not the other way around.
And even if it did interrupt the current, you can't get a severed link to work again by putting more power through it, it's still BROKEN.
wait a sec, your gonna bash polarised plating , which is not fully accurate, but pretty close to potential reality , and your talking about the same show that has Transporters? can you explain how those work in detail? Or maybe how exactly Posotronic Brains work?
No because they are made up, and very little information is supplied, the whole shows premise of warp travel isn't even that realistic, i for one will forgive a bit of iffy hull plating
Back on topic to vulcan ships, I like them, some of the ring drive designs i LOVE , but i can see how they would be tactically out dated , even obselete by 2409
I would perhaps like to see something like the 'Jellyfish' with a specific scientific purpose maybe , since that is there main area of expertese
I would also argue that some Vulcan Ships belong in the hands of players more than say a Galor class , or the Chel Grett , the Temporal Ships and the Monbosh Plus others that have little or no explination for being under the command of Starfleet Captains as COMMISSIONED Starfleet Vessels ( admititly i think i saw in the patch notes that theres an option to drop the prefix now )
Too many episodes like "A night in sickbay'' and not enough like what was shown in S4.
Plus the only person who apparently is not a complete moron who doesn't throw caution is Reid who gets told he is paranoid ect when he uses common sense.
:eek:
Part of the horrible, stupid, temporal cold war.
And of course they had to connect Data to augments, because hell, nothing independent happens in the universe. Still, could have been worse.
One of the worst parts. Because clearly, just 100 years later everyone believes that Vulcans are actually freaking INCAPABLE OF LYING. Okay, I see how stupid humans are everytime when elections are, but come on, that's stretching it.
Back to topic. I like the Vulcan ship designs and that show actually implies that Vulcan will build ships in the future.. I wouldn't have a problem with Cryptic introducing more. However, I would be more interested in finally getting a fleet cruiser retrofit (Exeter/Excalibur).
Sometimes, if you want to bury the hatchet with a Klingon, it has to be in his skull. - Captain K'Tar of the USS Danu about J'mpok.
Interesting commision date on that ship, quite far off, the three ring is one of my fave looks, hope they bring in something similar in game
Also it says Dorsal Carrier? perhaps a good ship to base as a flight deck cruiser in game?
The big question is whether the "carrier" part is actually meant for the Vulcan ship or the thing in the (from our persepctive) lower right corner.
The whole thing is an overall "collage" of ships (at one point it even shows the Mir space station) and it's a bit tricky to know for sure what is meant for what.
Oh, BTW Daniels was from an "alternate" future that didn't even have the whole Xindi War as part of its own history. In fact at a point "after" (for lack of a better term) this episode, the time "resets" itself as Daniels himself tells us.
So we can't even be sure whether this ship is from this timeline's future to begin with.;)
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At least their futures don't start to differ from this one as early as the mid 22nd century, which means they even beat JJ Trek by 80 years in terms of divergence point.;)
And we know in some cases (like AGT, where the Fed and Klings are not on friendly terms any more) that the situation is at least similar enough to warrant similar approaches to starship construction.
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yeah something along those lines, But knowing STO with more Cannons :P
Reminds me of something I once said when, as a fanfic author, I got tired of someone constantly complaining that 'this didn't happen in canon'...
I took a picture of a Civil War cannon and captioned it "Cannon - For when you just don't care about canon".
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