I like the ship, and I can't wait to buy it myself, but I put my Akira class up next to one purchased by a fleet member, and it's really small...
It's a Cruiser, and the Akira matches it in size? I wanted a bigger ship, to be honest.
Thanks for the size compare, this was something I was questioning.. Eventually I will get this ship (fleet variant after that) but its not the "shut up and take my money" that it seemed...
Hey Brandon -- do we know if the VATA console abilites (torps, beam, etc) are boosted by skills or consoles (tac for the quantums/chronitons, sci for the tachyon)?
Thanks!
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Well, I don't think Cryptic has to worry about sales. Space is filled with Avengers, unlike the Ar'Kif lol.
The screenshots really don't do it justice IMO. I sat in orbit around ESD and just stared at all of the different Avengers coming and going, and they look really good. Zone chat was filled with people loving them too. I think Cryptic nailed it with this one.
Now if only my dil would refine faster so I can get one myself. :P
Do the Avenger have a unique bridge layout?
Just curious as I'm buying mine when my money clears at the bank in the next few hours.
The Exeter and Constitution-class refit are classed as cruisers yet the Akira-class is also much larger than those too. I actually like that it isn't yet another huge monster ship to be honest.
Same equipment with the consoles moved around (exchange one mag reg for the avengers special console)
It did over 13k DPS in an infected run.
This ship.... hits like a freight train in PvE, and a beam build is going to be even crazier.
That's an interesting build with some serious Borg stomping potential. I would consider adding Aux2Batt in one of your eng slots if you have blue or better technician doffs.
I can see the ship being a fine beam boat. If I owned one, I would throw on a set of fleet advanced Andorian beam arrays dmgx2 accx2, one dbb to give those big cannon ports up front something to do, wide angle quantum up front, and maybe tractor or web mines in back for pvp, quantum or tricobalt for STFs.
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Thanks for clarifying that, Brandon. JamJamz usually gets much of the shipbuilding credit, so this took me by surprise. I wonder who it is. Imagine how interesting it would be if there were occasional dev interview blogs that spotlights some of the lesser known members of the team. So often we hear from dstahl or Geko, but what about these other mysterious artists behind the scenes, hm?
Put me in the group satisfied with the size of the Avenger.
Actually, to me that's one of the best things about it. It's reasonably sized, like the majority of Starfleet starships. Maybe it could have been just a tad larger, but it really is fine as it is. Some comparisons may be confusing, like the Akira someone mentioned, but do consider that in Star Trek canon, the ship qualifications are not cruiser/escort/science vessel. In Star Trek all Starfleet ships were type of cruisers with the exception of the Defiant that was classified as an escort. So the Akira can be considered a sort of cruiser.
And the TNG and post TNG Romulans were portrayed as quite paranoid amongst other things, so the huge designs of their ships manifest this. There's no reason to have Fed. ships the size of a D'D or Scimitar or for that matter larger than the Oddy.
Also from a practical perspective - it's the first and only Fed. battlecruiser. It's bound to be very popular amongst the players. Do you really want thoulsands of these the size of Mogai or D'D?? "You shall not pass", mt. lol:P:D
Put me in the group satisfied with the size of the Avenger.
Actually, to me that's one of the best things about it. It's reasonably sized, like the majority of Starfleet starships. Maybe it could have been just a tad larger, but it really is fine as it is. Some comparisons may be confusing, like the Akira someone mentioned, but do consider that in Star Trek canon, the ship qualifications are not cruiser/escort/science vessel. In Star Trek all Starfleet ships were type of cruisers with the exception of the Defiant that was classified as an escort. So the Akira can be considered a sort of cruiser.
And the TNG and post TNG Romulans were portrayed as quite paranoid amongst other things, so the huge designs of their ships manifest this. There's no reason to have Fed. ships the size of a D'D or Scimitar or for that matter larger than the Oddy.
Also from a practical perspective - it's the first and only Fed. battlecruiser. It's bound to be very popular amongst the players. Do you really want thoulsands of these the size of Mogai or D'D?? "You shall not pass", mt. lol:P:D
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Regarding the bolded part, that's just your opinion, and is in no way a fact at all. Just because you don't like the look of it, that doesn't mean that it's the ugliest design.
Personally, I love the look of the Avenger. It looks awesome and it looks mean.
YOU love the Avenger design, good.
I hate it, why shouldn't i be allowed to say that?
I don't speak for anyone else, why do so many ppl think i would?
Still my question is, are we going to get additional ship parts for the Avenger OR NOT?
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I never wanted the Avenger to be a behemoth larger than the Odyssey. I just expected it to at least be the same size as an assault cruiser, just because it's really chunky etc. Just the fact its the same length as my warp nacelle just thought it was weird.
Right now it doesn't look intimidating like I expected it's just so small.
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Still my question is, are we going to get additional ship parts for the Avenger OR NOT?
Kitbashes, yes please! The looks of the belly and the deflector are awefull. For the first time I've found the borg deflector modifications more appealing then the ships own deflector.
I never wanted the Avenger to be a behemoth larger than the Odyssey. I just expected it to at least be the same size as an assault cruiser, just because it's really chunky etc. Just the fact its the same length as my warp nacelle just thought it was weird.
Right now it doesn't look intimidating like I expected it's just so small.
The size reminds me of the Vesta. Can't go wrong with making it a bit bigger, like the assault cruiser for example.
Hey Brandon -- do we know if the VATA console abilites (torps, beam, etc) are boosted by skills or consoles (tac for the quantums/chronitons, sci for the tachyon)?
Thanks!
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Cool. I will give it a good look over on the selection soon as I log on. And start working on my Bridge Officers to see how I can use it to full potential. Since it won't be bought yet. As I got another ship up first on my buy list. Good candidate for my next purchase. And to use it on Season 8.
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bought it, set it up, filled it out, and took it into pvp several times, were it got all the nukes and focus fire there was to have, people even stopped shooting at scimitars to target it lol.
it is definitely the second best non escort in game, second only to the scimitar. equipped with lots of turn consoles and escort weapons, its actually outgunning escorts too, a 5th forward weapon is extremely beneficial.
putting aside the debate of weather its ugly or not, the ship model oozes quality, it is extreamly highly detailed and its clear the extra mile was put into it. when you enter red alert, all the windows get a sheet of armor deployed over them, and same for half the buzzard collectors and partially over the warp grills as well.
the torp thing is pretty damn powerful from what ive seen, and of course the command auras are iceing on the cake. the are super easy to swap on the fly, when im redy to alpha i hit the energy drane res, then switch to the manoverability in between. and of course some extra shield res is always great when you come under heavy fire. its 1 more thing to keep track of though, and till i get used to it im libel to forget to activate and swap from time to time.
i had a bit of an issue with the turn rate aura though. just +3 turn is quite low for any sort of boost, but aside from that this aura also granted my ship an additional +100 inertia score wile it was active, giving me 150 inertia! there was 0 sliding when it is active, not sure if that applies to allies too. if this is a bug i say dont remove it, just include it in the description, its rather harmless, it just changes the turning character of the ship a bit
i rate this 10/10, and it would be 11/10 if its design was more soft and curved like the intrepid, galaxy, defiant akira and odyssey. the overly angled look is not an improved style over that
I think I got a temp ban for saying to someone in kerrat I hope they didnt spend real money on the avenger and used dil > zen.. after i said that 5 mins later a mail popped up, couldnt read it as it forced disconnected me.
Unless its the players, the ship sucks in kerrat. KDF keeps blowing them up.
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Unless its the players, the ship sucks in kerrat. KDF keeps blowing them up.
Ker'rat has never been a brilliant proving ground of any sort. It's a gank-fest, and being the new, shiny thing... Yes - the KDF is going to go out of their way to make an 'example' of it.
Killing a ship two or three to one is no challenge, and it hardly reflects poorly on the Avenger.
the avenger is one fun hot rod starghip to through its weight into battle and to turn into corners just remember to load eng slots with some knetic resist or res all armor consoles.
This is awful. It looks awful and it is an awful direction for new playable ships to be heading. Who wanted this? Why does it exist? Why does it have the firepower of a Scimitar, a ship of Dreadnought class and accepted to be beyond anything else in any other fleet's stable? What, because 5 fore weapon ships exist now every new ship must have that?
Alright, I'll break it down:
Design: Feds have clearly demonstrated that if they are going to make a warship it would be an Escort class vessel of minimal crew. Exceptions being the Galaxy X which was basically a weaponized future dystopia vision of the Galaxy, and the Armitage which is a re-envision of the Akira. Further, the "latest" ships are the Vesta line and the Odyssey class, both of which are more streamlined and sleek compared to older generations like the Excelsior and Galaxy. This thing looks like a converted freighter by comparison.
Stats: The Scimitar has the most firepower of any ship but it is also one of the largest and most unwieldy. That's called balance. The Avenger is more maneuverable but less hull, not entirely an even trade when you consider its size plays into how easy it is for it to approach a target cloaked and remain undetected. It may lose 1v1 to a good Escort captain based on maneuverability, but it is clearly superior to anything larger than it 1v1.
I was hoping the next evolution of Fed tech would be a heavy Beam or side mount Cannon of sorts to make Cruiser broadsides compete with Escort strafing runs. Smaller arc of fire than single Beam Banks but only able to fire to port and starboard. Definitely not some mis-happened Cruiser/Escort hybrid that somehow his the same forward arsenal as a ship 10x its size.
its pretty far from the scimitar's firepower. 1 less tac console, no COM tac, so on a scimitar i could run BO3 and APO3, on the avenger if have to run BO1 and APO1 with the tac thats available. plus it doesn't battle cloak, plus its turn rate isn't better when the scimitar has its 2 console bonus that lets it turn much better for at least a whole 15 seconds thanks to a reman boff.
its doing the same thing KDF cruisers have done for a long time, only its doing it much better. to me its like a counterpart to the chimaera, more cruiser and less escort, where the chimaera is more escort and less cruiser. the ship fills a sub niche, and is great fun to use. i dont see what there is to complain about, save for not being fond of its appearance.
i had a bit of an issue with the turn rate aura though. just +3 turn is quite low for any sort of boost, but aside from that this aura also granted my ship an additional +100 inertia score wile it was active, giving me 150 inertia! there was 0 sliding when it is active, not sure if that applies to allies too. if this is a bug i say dont remove it, just include it in the description, its rather harmless, it just changes the turning character of the ship a bit
When I was on ESD with people trying out the Auras I saw the boost in inertia. My Kumari went from 60 inerta to 160.
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its doing the same thing KDF cruisers have done for a long time, only its doing it much better. to me its like a counterpart to the chimaera, more cruiser and less escort, where the chimaera is more escort and less cruiser. the ship fills a sub niche, and is great fun to use. i dont see what there is to complain about, save for not being fond of its appearance.
It's performance is really great, as much as i have seen other ppl using it.
The only thing keeping me from spending 25$ is it's appearance.
--- Sorry Crpytic but my money doesn't sit that loose so i would spend it for a ship that is a total design nightmare, even worse than your previous attempts on Starfleet ships IMO
Release some alternative ship parts and i buy it at once ---
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It's performance is really great, as much as i have seen other ppl using it.
The only thing keeping me from spending 25$ is it's appearance.
--- Sorry Crpytic but my money doesn't sit that loose so i would spend it for a ship that is a total design nightmare, even worse than your previous attempts on Starfleet ships IMO
Release some alternative ship parts and i buy it at once ---
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Just curious as I'm buying mine when my money clears at the bank in the next few hours.
Thanks for the size compare, this was something I was questioning.. Eventually I will get this ship (fleet variant after that) but its not the "shut up and take my money" that it seemed...
IMO they are both in the Destroyer category, between escorts and fuill cruisers.
Size/power categories in this game: frigate, escort, destroyer, cruiser, carrier. Destroyer class is ~12 turn-rate (+/- 3) with ~35-40k base hull.
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The screenshots really don't do it justice IMO. I sat in orbit around ESD and just stared at all of the different Avengers coming and going, and they look really good. Zone chat was filled with people loving them too. I think Cryptic nailed it with this one.
Now if only my dil would refine faster so I can get one myself. :P
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The Exeter and Constitution-class refit are classed as cruisers yet the Akira-class is also much larger than those too. I actually like that it isn't yet another huge monster ship to be honest.
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Ah, so that's why this ship looks as good as it does.
I kid, I kid. :P
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That's an interesting build with some serious Borg stomping potential. I would consider adding Aux2Batt in one of your eng slots if you have blue or better technician doffs.
I can see the ship being a fine beam boat. If I owned one, I would throw on a set of fleet advanced Andorian beam arrays dmgx2 accx2, one dbb to give those big cannon ports up front something to do, wide angle quantum up front, and maybe tractor or web mines in back for pvp, quantum or tricobalt for STFs.
cool, i want a thor
Thanks for clarifying that, Brandon. JamJamz usually gets much of the shipbuilding credit, so this took me by surprise. I wonder who it is. Imagine how interesting it would be if there were occasional dev interview blogs that spotlights some of the lesser known members of the team. So often we hear from dstahl or Geko, but what about these other mysterious artists behind the scenes, hm?
Actually, to me that's one of the best things about it. It's reasonably sized, like the majority of Starfleet starships. Maybe it could have been just a tad larger, but it really is fine as it is. Some comparisons may be confusing, like the Akira someone mentioned, but do consider that in Star Trek canon, the ship qualifications are not cruiser/escort/science vessel. In Star Trek all Starfleet ships were type of cruisers with the exception of the Defiant that was classified as an escort. So the Akira can be considered a sort of cruiser.
And the TNG and post TNG Romulans were portrayed as quite paranoid amongst other things, so the huge designs of their ships manifest this. There's no reason to have Fed. ships the size of a D'D or Scimitar or for that matter larger than the Oddy.
Also from a practical perspective - it's the first and only Fed. battlecruiser. It's bound to be very popular amongst the players. Do you really want thoulsands of these the size of Mogai or D'D?? "You shall not pass", mt. lol:P:D
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I hate it, why shouldn't i be allowed to say that?
I don't speak for anyone else, why do so many ppl think i would?
Still my question is, are we going to get additional ship parts for the Avenger OR NOT?
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Right now it doesn't look intimidating like I expected it's just so small.
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Kitbashes, yes please! The looks of the belly and the deflector are awefull. For the first time I've found the borg deflector modifications more appealing then the ships own deflector.
The size reminds me of the Vesta. Can't go wrong with making it a bit bigger, like the assault cruiser for example.
I fully support adding more parts to work with in the ship customizer.
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it is definitely the second best non escort in game, second only to the scimitar. equipped with lots of turn consoles and escort weapons, its actually outgunning escorts too, a 5th forward weapon is extremely beneficial.
putting aside the debate of weather its ugly or not, the ship model oozes quality, it is extreamly highly detailed and its clear the extra mile was put into it. when you enter red alert, all the windows get a sheet of armor deployed over them, and same for half the buzzard collectors and partially over the warp grills as well.
the torp thing is pretty damn powerful from what ive seen, and of course the command auras are iceing on the cake. the are super easy to swap on the fly, when im redy to alpha i hit the energy drane res, then switch to the manoverability in between. and of course some extra shield res is always great when you come under heavy fire. its 1 more thing to keep track of though, and till i get used to it im libel to forget to activate and swap from time to time.
i had a bit of an issue with the turn rate aura though. just +3 turn is quite low for any sort of boost, but aside from that this aura also granted my ship an additional +100 inertia score wile it was active, giving me 150 inertia! there was 0 sliding when it is active, not sure if that applies to allies too. if this is a bug i say dont remove it, just include it in the description, its rather harmless, it just changes the turning character of the ship a bit
i rate this 10/10, and it would be 11/10 if its design was more soft and curved like the intrepid, galaxy, defiant akira and odyssey. the overly angled look is not an improved style over that
I don't like deploying another UI just for the sake of 3 more buttons .
Unless its the players, the ship sucks in kerrat. KDF keeps blowing them up.
Ker'rat has never been a brilliant proving ground of any sort. It's a gank-fest, and being the new, shiny thing... Yes - the KDF is going to go out of their way to make an 'example' of it.
Killing a ship two or three to one is no challenge, and it hardly reflects poorly on the Avenger.
Alright, I'll break it down:
Design: Feds have clearly demonstrated that if they are going to make a warship it would be an Escort class vessel of minimal crew. Exceptions being the Galaxy X which was basically a weaponized future dystopia vision of the Galaxy, and the Armitage which is a re-envision of the Akira. Further, the "latest" ships are the Vesta line and the Odyssey class, both of which are more streamlined and sleek compared to older generations like the Excelsior and Galaxy. This thing looks like a converted freighter by comparison.
Stats: The Scimitar has the most firepower of any ship but it is also one of the largest and most unwieldy. That's called balance. The Avenger is more maneuverable but less hull, not entirely an even trade when you consider its size plays into how easy it is for it to approach a target cloaked and remain undetected. It may lose 1v1 to a good Escort captain based on maneuverability, but it is clearly superior to anything larger than it 1v1.
I was hoping the next evolution of Fed tech would be a heavy Beam or side mount Cannon of sorts to make Cruiser broadsides compete with Escort strafing runs. Smaller arc of fire than single Beam Banks but only able to fire to port and starboard. Definitely not some mis-happened Cruiser/Escort hybrid that somehow his the same forward arsenal as a ship 10x its size.
its doing the same thing KDF cruisers have done for a long time, only its doing it much better. to me its like a counterpart to the chimaera, more cruiser and less escort, where the chimaera is more escort and less cruiser. the ship fills a sub niche, and is great fun to use. i dont see what there is to complain about, save for not being fond of its appearance.
When I was on ESD with people trying out the Auras I saw the boost in inertia. My Kumari went from 60 inerta to 160.
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The only thing keeping me from spending 25$ is it's appearance.
Release some alternative ship parts and i buy it at once
Ok now you're just sounding like a broken record.