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K'Vort Class - Avenger Foil for Klinks
macronius
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Okay, now that Feds got a battle cruiser that is arguably better than Torkhat (Vorcha) I think it is time for Klinks to get a heavy destroyer. We would prefer a 3 pack that cover science, engineer and tac. But if we get only one ship make something like this:
K'vort heavy destroyer
5 forward 2 aft
*can equip dual
** reduced aft from 3=>2
Hull: 37000
Shields: 1.0
Turn: 13
Ltc Tac
Cmdr Science
Ensign Science
Lt Engineer
Lt Universal
2 Eng Slots
3 Science Slots
4 Tac Slots
10+ Weapon power
5+ Shield power
Battle cloak or standard cloak ... whatever makes this happen
K'vort heavy destroyer
5 forward 2 aft
*can equip dual
** reduced aft from 3=>2
Hull: 37000
Shields: 1.0
Turn: 13
Ltc Tac
Cmdr Science
Ensign Science
Lt Engineer
Lt Universal
2 Eng Slots
3 Science Slots
4 Tac Slots
10+ Weapon power
5+ Shield power
Battle cloak or standard cloak ... whatever makes this happen
"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censored, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."
- Judge Aaron Satie
- Judge Aaron Satie
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How about... nyah.
The Avenger manages to be so amazing and powerful because it's fueled by the tears of KDF players who didn't get a 5/3 ship before the Feds did.
Figures that the 1st response is from a Fed player afraid of a little competition. Never understood why Feds hate it when Klinks get a toy once in a blue moon.
- Judge Aaron Satie
Um, yeah, no. The K'vort is way too awsome to have a commander sci. Give it the same everything as the Avenger, except the cloak built in, and then we're good.
As for a console, in one episode it fired a torp that screwed with a vorcha's shields, so I choose that.
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Well that's why I would prefer a 3-pack. Some will choose science, others engineer and tac. I picked science because klingons are lacking in science ship. Agree with you though.
- Judge Aaron Satie
Well K'vort is canon and the design is far better than most of what Cryptic makes. That said, maybe they can have some alternate skins for players who prefer a new design.
- Judge Aaron Satie
I prefer Cryptic's designs over a giant BOP that was phased out as soon as CGI was available .
It is true that they phased it out as soon as CGI became available, but it was seen enough times that they basically had to make it canon. As for adding it to game, if they made a new skin for it so that it didn't look like a large B'rel, would you support it?
My only demands for the ship are:
1)wings that stay in the "flying position"
2)proper ~350m length
3)being completely badass (Avenger knockoff with built in cloak qualifies)
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Why would I be afraid? :V I just love the cries of KDF players the instant another faction gets something they want, really.
I play all 3 factions, and recently been playing my Fed science and Fed tac the most. Nevertheless, I RP whichever faction I am currently playing. But even if you are a Fed die-hard, I don't see why you would be happy that Klink players are ignored. They are fellow players whose presence adds to this game and their money is just as good as yours.
- Judge Aaron Satie
Not at all. Klingons players would be pleased to have it in game. Also it is not a BoP. I gave it a turn rate of 13 vs 21 on my Hoh'sus. This is a huge difference. It is basically slightly better than a science ship. Hull is also significantly lower than cruiser ... unlike Avenger which basically gets cruiser hull and 5 forward weapon slots. I also gave mine 2 aft weapon slots. Unlike Cryptic I balanced my design.
Nothing wrong with 2 ships which are very similar looking. This is especially the case with Klingons who have far fewer ships. Do you really prefer something like the Hoh'sus over K'vort?
- Judge Aaron Satie
I'd be willing to bet that if they came out with the K'vort with the Avenger's exact stats and a built-in cloak, that the majority of KDF would be to busy crying tears of joy that they actually got something to actually care about that.
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This may be the best analogy for the Klingon faction I've ever heard.
By the way, I think it might be time to change your signature.
Support 90 degree arc limitation on BFaW! Save our ships from looking like flying disco balls of dumb!
But as others have said, simply having something is better than nothing.
I suppose the KDF can be thankful that they are still competitive thanks to still having access to some excellent ships and more often then not, competent captains flying them.
If i wanted to fly a B'rel id just fly one not a overgrown less agile version sheesh :rolleyes:
It's not about another faction getting something new, it's about the KDF never getting a shiny. The last T5 C-Store release was the Bortas, and that's a flying TRIBBLE.
But I look forward to seeing all the Avengers. It was high-time the Feds got a good Battle Cruiser.
I should mention, I've said they don't need one. Doesn't mean one isn't wanted/desired.
What gets me with many of the Cruisers is they're primarily tac heavy. One of the reasons I'm pushing for a new Galaxy Class (/sig) is because of this. You've got the Fleet Excelsior (tac), Fleet Assault Cruiser (tac), Dreadnought Cruiser (tac), Heavy Cruiser Retrofit (Cheyenne) (tac) ...and now this Avenger Class, also tactical.
The Exploration Cruiser (Galaxy) are all pure Engineering. The Ambassador has Lt.Cmd Science, but still shares three boff slots with tactical. Granted the Ambassador does also have a Universal Lt slot, but I'd imagine most players using that for an engineering benefit.
What have we got sided with science? The Star Cruiser and... oh yeah. That's it! :rolleyes:
You're joking right? How is a B'rel on steroids a better design than what Cryptic could throw out?
I get why some people knock Cryptic designs, but think about the awesome designs they have given us; the Tholian Fleet alone is credited to them. I happen to be a huge fan of the Noble Class too (minus the dodggy saucer registry and the hull, I'm using the Sovereign Hull myself). They've done some good work on the KDF Birds of Prey and Raptors too.
I'm a Klingon player too, and I wouldn't be pleased to have it in game.
You should instead be wanting a shiny new 2409 KDF design for a new ship.
Never tell people what they should want, that's one of the big mistakes the automobile industry did for years.;)
There's still room for a half-and-half solution there: use the same basic hull but add details that make it clear it's not a small ship.
Add rows of small windows, escape pods and some altered hull plating.
Change the colour to a a different green with grey details like in "Redemption.
http://trekcore.com/blog/2013/06/tng-redemption-blu-ray-new-hd-trailer-stills-and-comparison-and-analysis/
(7 pic from the top)
While this would go somewhat against what was seen onscreen, it would only do so half: shape stays the same while details are improved.
And since the K'vort has its wings in a position (horizontal) that is different from the STO B'rel (all the way up or down) it would not be too difficult to tell them apart.
It's also noteworth that in the HD version it becomes clear that whatever that thing is the K'vort fires...it's not a Photon Torpedo.
Competition? At what, PVP? Don't make me laugh.
I'm going to fire the DREADNOUGHT PHASER SPINAL LANCE CANNON into the next person who gets that wrong!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :mad::mad::mad:
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Because the film crew just reused the BoP model for the K'Vort doesn't mean we can pretend it doesn't exist. It's canon, deal with it.
Besides, not like the Ship Team can tweek her so shes not an exact copy. Just look at SFC3 and Armada tweaked the K'Vort.
Yeah I corrected it few minutes later. But thanks for adding to the discussion. :rolleyes:
Up to this point, I really thought Cryptic was to blame for the lack of Klink ships. But from the responses so far I can see players are a big problem too. Do people honestly prefer an ugly kitbash like Avenger over K'vort? I get that it was a mistake ... But what a glorious mistake it was.
This player base is so hostile to Klingons getting any ships. I just don't get it.
- Judge Aaron Satie
Simple, Klingon players aren't allowed to have fun and have to spend our days in the Dilithium mines (I.E. Farming Dilithium for player's accounts).
KDF= Klingon Dilithium Farmers?
+10000 Having a Ferasan, Lethean, or Trill ship would be really cool.
Of course, it's not like the KDF hardcore players get militant whenever the Fed or Romulans get something new. Pot, meet kettle.
The player base isn't "hostile" to the KDF getting new things. But the fact of the matter is that more people play on the Fed side (for obvious reasons) as such, more money comes from selling Fed ships and thus there is always a higher demand for new Fed stuff.
I'd be very happy to see Vesta and Kumari-like three packs for the KDF. But you won't, because they're not worth it.
Why else would they make it so much easier to acquire contraband?
Faster, faster I say! *Beats Klingon captains* Confiscate ALL the contraband!