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Are we going to have more Vulcan Ships?

gaevsmangaevsman Member Posts: 3,190 Arc User
edited October 2013 in Star Trek Online General Discussion
Vulcans usually modify their old space frames for new capabillities, can we have a new Vulcan ship? the Sh'Ran Class?

http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/scans/other/vulcan-ships.jpg
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  • saekiithsaekiith Member Posts: 534 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    No more too old ships...

    If anything they should use that... what was it? 29th Century? Vulcan Ship we could see in Daniels Database...
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  • gaevsmangaevsman Member Posts: 3,190 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    I was thinking about the same, but we can star with something no?, love more Vulcan Ships, didn't liked de D'Kir, but one of the tactical cruisers, sure!
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  • macroniusmacronius Member Posts: 2,526
    edited September 2013
    "Vulcans are pacifists. I deal in warships" - Cryptic
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  • turbomagnusturbomagnus Member Posts: 3,479 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    Two things; one - the image link the OP has is blocked and doesn't show if you click on it.

    Two - if they're going to add a new Vulcan ship, how about Spock's Vulcan shuttle from "The Motion Picture"?
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  • gaevsmangaevsman Member Posts: 3,190 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    I tested the link before posting.... odd... and about the shuttle, dunno, dont like that one, but i's fine by me if they put it in the game :)
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  • saekiithsaekiith Member Posts: 534 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    gaevsman wrote: »
    I was thinking about the same, but we can star with something no?, love more Vulcan Ships, didn't liked de D'Kir, but one of the tactical cruisers, sure!

    Then start with a NEW Ship or a completely original Design... I am sick and tired of seeing Ships from before 2370 and nearly all ships from 25th Century are just modified rehashes of older Ships...

    You just need to look 5 Minutes into, lets say DeviantArt and see hundreds of Original Designs that fit right in the 25th Century, I know they can't simply take them but they have people designing Ships for a living and one could expect them to come up with at least a few new designs...
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  • gaevsmangaevsman Member Posts: 3,190 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    macronius wrote: »
    "Vulcans are pacifists. I deal in warships" - Cryptic

    It would be ilogical to not have Warships for defense in times of war, don't you think? :D
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  • gaevsmangaevsman Member Posts: 3,190 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    saekiith wrote: »
    Then start with a NEW Ship or a completely original Design... I am sick and tired of seeing Ships from before 2370 and nearly all ships from 25th Century are just modified rehashes of older Ships...

    You just need to look 5 Minutes into, lets say DeviantArt and see hundreds of Original Designs that fit right in the 25th Century, I know they can't simply take them but they have people designing Ships for a living and one could expect them to come up with at least a few new designs...

    Agree on that, i'll love a new design or a vulcan tri-ringed ship... :D
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  • lianthelialianthelia Member Posts: 7,861 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    There was mention of a second Vulcan and Andorian ship along with a Tellarite ship but so far nothing seen of them.
  • gaevsmangaevsman Member Posts: 3,190 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    Sad!, i'll buy a new Vulcan ship as soon as available... unless they give us one in the nex anniversary, lol!
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  • lostusthornlostusthorn Member Posts: 844
    edited September 2013
    The cool 3 ringed ship, i would mostly buy. Its an elegant design plus its big :)
  • telbasta7386telbasta7386 Member Posts: 761 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    I always really liked the warp ring design used on Vulcan ships.

    What I would really like to see is a reunificationist ship - a hybrid vulcan/romulan vessel that can be used by both the federation and romulan republic players.

    I imagine something like the shran class, with the head of a dderidex or mogai, and the warp ring surrounding a visible singularity section and merging at the sides into the double sectioned warbird wings common to romulan ships.

    The ship could have both the green romulan hull patterns as well as the brown romulan and brown Vulcan patterns.

    That kind of ship would make an excellent science-cruiser hybrid, too.
  • flash525flash525 Member Posts: 5,441 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    turbomagnus wrote: »
    Two things; one - the image link the OP has is blocked and doesn't show if you click on it.
    The Website doesn't allow hotlinks. It's the other Vulcan ship seen in the show though, http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Suurok_class I believe this is the ship he is referencing.

    As per newer, 25th Century designs: http://screenshots.filesnetwork.com/16/files2/120340_1.jpg The ship on the left?

    Edit: Alternatively, we could just say that D'Tan reunified the Vulcan and Romulan people, and give all Romulan ships a Red(ish) Paint Job? ...even though they've already got a very suitable Brown one. Hmm...
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  • tinkerstormtinkerstorm Member Posts: 853 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    As Vulcan is a member planet in the UFP, it would be entirely wrong for Vulcan to maintain its own fleet, other than merchant ships. Armed military Vulcan ships are entirely out of the question. That includes the aberration already in the game.
  • walshicuswalshicus Member Posts: 1,314 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    tinkerstorm wrote: »
    As Vulcan is a member planet in the UFP, it would be entirely wrong for Vulcan to maintain its own fleet, other than merchant ships. Armed military Vulcan ships are entirely out of the question. That includes the aberration already in the game.

    Makes less sense to assume that Vulcan shipyards would stop building starships for Starfleet or that the mission-profile that the ring-and-needle design was suited for ceased to exist.

    Don't think of them as Vulcan ships, but Starfleet ships built by Vulcan design teams.
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  • telbasta7386telbasta7386 Member Posts: 761 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    As Vulcan is a member planet in the UFP, it would be entirely wrong for Vulcan to maintain its own fleet, other than merchant ships. Armed military Vulcan ships are entirely out of the question. That includes the aberration already in the game.

    Most federation member races maintain their own private fleets for policing their space, protecting their trade routes, or other purposes.

    The vulcans have their own fleet, the caitians have theirs, the andorians and even the bajorans have their own vessels.
  • tinkerstormtinkerstorm Member Posts: 853 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    walshicus wrote: »
    Makes less sense to assume that Vulcan shipyards would stop building starships for Starfleet or that the mission-profile that the ring-and-needle design was suited for ceased to exist.

    Don't think of them as Vulcan ships, but Starfleet ships built by Vulcan design teams.
    Last time I checked, the Maine was not building its own ships for its own naval fleet; but instead the Bath Iron Works builds ships for the US Navy. And US Navy surface ships look like they all belong to the same navy.

    The Vulcan, Andorian, and Caitian ships don't even come close to looking like they belong in Star Fleet.
  • captz1ppcaptz1pp Member Posts: 931 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    If we do get a new Vulcan ship, it should be dual ringed.
  • senatorvreenaksenatorvreenak Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    tinkerstorm wrote: »
    As Vulcan is a member planet in the UFP, it would be entirely wrong for Vulcan to maintain its own fleet, other than merchant ships. Armed military Vulcan ships are entirely out of the question. That includes the aberration already in the game.

    Technically its not really a military ship as its a science vessel.

    Which brings up a point of interest.
    The need of ship specific content in the game.
    Special military assingments for escorts, exploration assignments for cruisers and scientific missions for science ships.
  • mvp333mvp333 Member Posts: 509 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    tinkerstorm wrote: »
    Last time I checked, the Maine was not building its own ships for its own naval fleet; but instead the Bath Iron Works builds ships for the US Navy. And US Navy surface ships look like they all belong to the same navy.

    The Vulcan, Andorian, and Caitian ships don't even come close to looking like they belong in Star Fleet.

    I think that the differences in technology, techniques, not to mention just the scales involved with planets (as opposed to just states) justify any and all (Starfleet-power-equivalent or better) Federation Member Race ship classes zipping around... What I WOULD like to see in all the non-Starfleet-issue Federation member ships is a shiny white/gray Starfleet hull material.

    ...Plus, I think it's already been established, at least in the game, that most capable Federation homeworlds have at least a planetary defense fleet of their own...


    ...Anyway, back on topic, even if we don't see a full Vulcan starship, a Vulcan-style shuttle would be nice, as long as it doesn't look too much like the Na'Far.
  • gaevsmangaevsman Member Posts: 3,190 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    It's logical to assume that Vulcan would have their own defense fleet, smuglers and pirates, and also strikes with enemy ships that can cloak would make it logical, as Vulcan cannot depend sorelly on Starfleet for defense.

    Its logical to assume they have tactical ships for defense, and no need for too new design, as what they have is proved and true..

    Anyway, i'll love a tactical cruiser, one ringed, dual-ringed or tri-ringed vulcan ship! :)
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  • turbomagnusturbomagnus Member Posts: 3,479 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    Saying that Vulcan, Earth, Andoria, Cait, etc. shouldn't be allowed to have their own armed forces - and thus their own ships and designs - because they're members of the Federation is like say that France, Russia, Germany, the United Kingdom, the United States, etc. shouldn't be allowed to have their own armed forces because they're members of the United Nations.
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  • elessymelessym Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    turbomagnus wrote: »
    Saying that Vulcan, Earth, Andoria, Cait, etc. shouldn't be allowed to have their own armed forces - and thus their own ships and designs - because they're members of the Federation is like say that France, Russia, Germany, the United Kingdom, the United States, etc. shouldn't be allowed to have their own armed forces because they're members of the United Nations.

    Really bad analogy. Even by Internet standards.
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  • eldarion79eldarion79 Member Posts: 1,679 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    elessym wrote: »
    Really bad analogy. Even by Internet standards.

    Seconded, UFP isn't a loose alliance. In Enterprise, Crewman Daniels' computer showed a future three-ring Vulcan ship. http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Vulcan_cruiser_(future)
  • gaevsmangaevsman Member Posts: 3,190 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    True!, that why i know that Vulcans HAVE some tactical ships :) (i still think is a tactical cruiser)
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  • admiralandyadmiralandy Member Posts: 189 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    lianthelia wrote: »
    There was mention of a second Vulcan and Andorian ship along with a Tellarite ship but so far nothing seen of them.

    Those maybe sidelined with Voyager content winning the recent vote rather than Enterprise of which those three were more represented.

    As for the Andorian ship, that was talked around as a Cruiser broadsider. Until I think Devs looked at Cannons and Beam array weapon arcs and realised it was dumbass, even the Regent torp is a 180 degree torp so probably dropped down the list as not so intetersting afterall with broadsiders pretty much doable.

    Although the D'kyer could do with a fleet version very remiss that there isn't one...
  • admiralandyadmiralandy Member Posts: 189 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    gaevsman wrote: »
    It's logical to assume that Vulcan would have their own defense fleet, smuglers and pirates, and also strikes with enemy ships that can cloak would make it logical, as Vulcan cannot depend sorelly on Starfleet for defense.

    Its logical to assume they have tactical ships for defense, and no need for too new design, as what they have is proved and true..

    Anyway, i'll love a tactical cruiser, one ringed, dual-ringed or tri-ringed vulcan ship! :)

    There's an episode in Enterprise when taking a Vulcan ambassador home when chased by enemy ships, when the Vulcan ship meeting them is specified as a Warship by Archer.

    So Vulcans have been established they have Warships and the Vulcan captain was quite happy to come in firing after a call for help from Archer in that episode, and quite casually mentioned a willingness to destroy the enemy ships if they didn't surrender.

    It has also been made clear that non-human governments of the Federation still have their own ships.
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