Warp Core Efficiency Diminishing return?!

aftulus

Does Warp Core Efficiency have a diminishing return?

I have an atrox with Engines and Auxiliary on 15 power and I maximize and depend on WCE to get them higher. I have done calculation of mine own based on the wiki to determine what htat would be ahead of time but I'm having huge problems as my power levels aren't coming out anywhere what I thought and I can't seem to figure out the discrepencies.

Calculation for Warp Core Efficiency(WCE) from the wiki:

http://sto.gamepedia.com/Skill:_Starship_Warp_Core_Efficiency

(WCE/300) * (75 - Current Power setting)

I have for instance:

Aux: Base Power level 15
Atrox: +10
WCP: 109 = 109 / 20 = +5.45
WCE: = 181.9 = (181.9/300) * (75-15) = + 36.38
TRIBBLE. borg Deflector: +5
Romulan Singularity Console: +1.8
Elite Reinforced Warp Core: +7.5
Auxiliary performance: 84 = 84 / 10 = +8.4

15+10+5.45+36.38+5+1.8+7.5+8.4 = 89.53

Current Auxiliary power level with 15 base setting: 72

Eng: Base Power Level 15
Borg Engines: +5
WCP +5.45
Eng Perf: 17.5 = 17.5 /10 = 1.75
Rom Cons: +1.8
WCE: +36.38

15+5+5.45+1.75+1.8+36.38 = 65.38

Current Engine power level with 15 base setting: 49

There are no damages on my ship!

I have 72 Auxiliary and 49 engines currently. This does not square up. Any idea where the discrepency is? My sheilds are also down by about 8 points and I have to take out of my weapons to keep them at 130 for full bonuses. But I also don't know where the Shield loss is comeing from since it's power level is above 75.

If this is a diminishing return it's is a darned high diminishing return. And I'm literlly getting like 10-25% of the calculated ammount...

And the calculation on wiki makes perfect sense. If there is no diminishing return then at WCE 300, presumed max, you get exactly 75 power level with no bonuses besides WCE! So how can there be a diminising return!?

Is it counting some or all of my + power setting value along with the Base bar set at 15 before calculating my value?! If so is this not an error?! And if so which ones?!

And that doesn't make much sense becuase:

Engines:

Everything but WCE: 29 power level (Including the Base 15 Power setting!!)

Example: (181.9/300) = 0.60633333 * (75 - 29) = +27.89

27.89 + 29 = 56.89

That is the lowest possible value I can get from my level of WCE. The worst case scenario with no diminishing return or errors on WCE!

That means it gave me, baically, exactly 20 points in power above the known raw additives besides WCE. So how can 181.9 WCE give only 20 points when it should give 36.38. And no calcualtion, I can run, lets it give a number as low as 20 with the given numbers and no diminishing return or errors.

And, again, I Do not have enough additives to add into my WCE formula to make it give that little! (181.9/300) * (75 - 42) = 20. I do not have 42 power added into engines to only get 20! I need a total of 42 engine power for it to even give me only 20 to start! So how can that be possible!



The higher your base the lower your WCE score. all other considerations alone cannot account for my power level being this low! So there is something massively wrong with the power settings in game. And they are not different on any screen where I am in my ship. They are consistant throughout. It makes no sense!

I've also gutted my atrox and got a new one. It made no difference except lowering my problem with my shield power by another point. Which is even weirder!

What is causing this?! Why is or why would there be a diminishing return on WCE?

ericphail

Putting your numbers into the power calc spreadsheet agrees with the game
not your calculations (you may wish to put the numbers in yourself) the sheet is findable on the forums - http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=532731

The sheet has the efficiency divisor as 533.33 rather than the 300 you sourced from the wiki (the wiki is likely out of date here - it is in many places)

this accounts for most of your discrepancy
(also you're only getting 6 from the warp core on aux)

so no I don't see diminishing returns on efficiency (it's just nowhere near as effective as the wiki suggests)

aftulus

Why would i get 6 from the Warp core and not 7.5 It's listed as 7.5?

And Is there a thing for Nukara bonus for Shield performance in that. I don't see it.

telbasta7386

Looks to me like the wiki calculation isn't right, I always run max wce too, on all of my characters, but setting power levels down to 15 usually only gives me 50~ total, less on my romulans of course.

jadensecura

aftulus wrote: »

Why would i get 6 from the Warp core and not 7.5 It's listed as 7.5?

Warp cores provide an efficiency bonus, not a flat one, meaning it scales with your power setting. It does indicate that in the description, if you're good enough at reading between the lines.

eradicator84

ericphail wrote: »

(the wiki is likely out of date here - it is in many places)

Being a wiki, if you find something incorrect edit it so that it is correct!
Won't magically happen itself.

notoryczny

Your core adds 7.5 to Aux if your base AUX level is at least 25. Items boni are caculated with minimal power level 25, it scales down to 6 if you have lowered base to 15.

hereticknight085

Doesn't the Atrox also get bonus power to Aux? That might explain where the extra power is coming from.

aftulus

The change to 533.333 instead of 300 as a divisor makes sense. I think I remember that now. I still think they should change it back though. It makes more sense being able to get your Eff to 75 ultimately. At least for that skill. I think it, specifically, should go back to a 300 divisor. It would make it alot more powerful then too. which could be good.