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The difficulty of elite ground stf's. Virtually impossible to do.
stuart1965
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I know there are some here who are gifted and can succeed at anything.
I find these elite ground stf's,ridiculously far too difficult.
Cryptic,How about making these elite ground stf's alittle more achievable please???
Bring the difficulty down abit to make it abit easier.
I find these elite ground stf's,ridiculously far too difficult.
Cryptic,How about making these elite ground stf's alittle more achievable please???
Bring the difficulty down abit to make it abit easier.
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I agree,however, elite is one thing, achievable is another.
I think players definition of elite is different. Yes there needs to be a degree of difficulty,but not that hard that an stf can not be completed.
Yes there are those that are gifted that can do it,but I am not one of those.
Are you pugging it? If so have you thought about joining a chat channel devoted to making teams for stfs. Those teams have a very high success rate.
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Other than that, I actually find them... just as hard as the Ground Combat System makes them... done several and I am horrible at ground...
Elite Ground is not 'virtually impossible'. Not in the least, and it certainly doesn't need to be made any less dificult.
The only thing that has ever made Ground 'impossible' are the other players. Sorry if that sounds arrogant or condescending, but it's just the truth.
No. Your fun makes everyone else's fun wrong by default.
All the elites ground missions fine, only mission thats a bit hard is infected ground.
If you think the ground missions are to hard, you are doing something wrong or don't have the equipment you need for elite.
If they are to hard for you stick with normal, they already removed all but 1 hard missions from the game.
The fact is, normal players... ones that have the intellect of you and I... they're able to complete these 'impossible' missions day after day. There is no secret, they just know what to do in there. They know what levers to pull, what red buttons not to press, etc. And to try doing that with a full team that doesn't know what they're doing as with pugs(public groups - queueing up with random teams if you don't know), they'll quickly be chewed up and spit out.
It's like with the Crystalline Cataclysm. Go in a pug there where mirror ships spawning first thing, and you'll have player ships attacking the continually-respawning legion of mirror ships INSTEAD of the entity... which will just lead to a long time wasted until everyone in that instance gives up.
Just join a decent fleet and run with them. Learn what to do and what not to do in the elites. Because you'll either have to have the highest top-level equipment, or you'll need a decent amount of knowledge and experience with them. And experience is much more reliable than top-end gear.
Just my $.02
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Also if you are pugging join the the Public Elite STF Global Chat channel it will cut down on your stress and annoyance levels greatly. Recruiting from here means you should get someone who knows their stuff
Oh and last but not least Ground STF's require teamwork and co-operation. I've not been on the ground missions you've been doing but if the others on your team don't talk or follow a plan; its just going to fail plain and simple. Infected Ground is a very very good example of needing a plan, if someone goes over a trigger line and don't run in to save the guy he will get assimilated very fast and you fail OP probably leading to someone rage quitting or the like.
Good Luck with ground missions because once you get into doing them and succeeding them you will love doing them time and time again.
Don't take on more than you can chew.
Meaning: Don't attack more than one group at a time.
If several groups of Borg are standing close together, pull one away from the rest.
Don't bother with the optinals at first until you got the main objectives under control.
Make sure your team sticks together.
The mission is not a race, just the optional is, so take all the time you need.
Once you know the mission well enough you can fine-tune strategies to aim for the accolades and optionals.
Once you know how to do them then your good to go.
What makes Elite STFs so difficult for some is that a lot of players just want to jump right in to Elite and say TRIBBLE the normal version and they just start acting like bridge officers and shoot at anything that moves and they end up agroing one to many mobs.
A lot of players think that STFs are regular PvE, but it?s not that?s why they require 5 human brains not 1 human brain and 4 bridge officers AI.
unfortunately you will probably get your way. if everyone cant do it by the end of week one, cryptic might think its just not easy enough.
its a pity. elite used to mean something.
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Khitomer Elite Ground is by far the easiest - you should practice there. I don't think they give enough awards for ground - getting optionals is really hard on a pug in elite.
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It wasn't too hard...
It was way to random...
One person needed only to do 3 Elite STFs to get the whole set while another did hundreds and never got even one right drop
But I agree it's a bit "too easy" to get them via the Rep...
The ground ones in particular need more Co-ordination than the space ones do, as it's easier to TRIBBLE up on ground. Heck, I still TRIBBLE up sometimes, but that might just be because I mostly do the space ones.
Some one said that Khitomer is the "easiest" of the ground elites, and I agree, so start with that one. Then try Infected and Cure for last.
The reason I say do Cure last, is beacause it has a high failure rate in PUGs. The end boss, Armek, can be a pain in the nacelles to beat, and sometimes he simply bugs out, and you have to bail and try again later...
Actually, when he bugs out, it becomes really easy, when you have a sniper at the right spot.
Sniper can shoot him from beyond his weapon range and he just takes it till he drops.
Even if you are not the best tactician, you can contribute. Just "shadow" another player and follow his lead.
There are only very few moments when the entire team has to split up and perform tasks entirely alone.
Many of the ground stfs have also been bugged for at least a year.
The fastest that I know is Khitomer elite ground - if you are all good and move like mad men - know the drill - by-pass as much until the 1st big area at the bottom of the cave ramps - rush to the main room - clear that fast - have someone who knows the control room - then the other for blow each tower in the right order and know to move an not fight the Borg - you can with good dps and good gear get the op in what 20 min??
That's a good team of min 4 people - ISE can done in 7 min with a good team with min 4 people with opt - and with a bad team with optional in 15
but ground rewards are GARBAGE!! - for a space you get 75 omega min with op - what for 3x the work on ground 90?
Stupid waste of time unless you really like ground. Problem is if they doubled the rewards to like min 150+ omega marks you would get hundreds of noobs in there dropping like flies being hit with a full blast of RAID - so what do you do?
P.S I need a group to help get the OPs for Infected and Cure - where should I go? I might only need cure - It's been awhile.
Infected: Manus (Elite) their are trigger lines that start assimilation learn them. Hope everyone else in the mission knows them as well. Usually the optional fails because their are people who join it not knowing the trigger lines. This mission requires teamwork in the boss room with using the consoles at the same time.
The Cure Applied (Elite) only 2 things that can cause teams trouble. Activating the devices and stopping Borg from turning them off. Killing the worker drones is priority don't let them turn off devices. Then the Boss fight. Players should not get to close to each other or the boss might use a lighting attack causing a lot of damage to multiple players. If their is a Sci healer that person should melee the boss keeping the rest of team safe to shoot. If no Sci healer melee fighter then everyone needs to snipe the boss and use any healing they have when they take damage. Hypo , Adrenal Booster , Medical Nanite Cloud ect... if someone can revive a fallen player do it.
Into the Hive (Elite) at start activate device kill Borg don't stay on electrified ground or you will die. Step 2 move around the room a lot don't stay in targeted area or your die and kill Borg when they beam in. Step 3 in Queen room snipe Borg killing them. Use pillars for cover and stay off electrified ground.
Elite STFs are far from impossible.
What class are you? Science, Engineer, Tactical...?
What kit are you using?
It helps to know what class you are in order to offer good advice.
Which ground stf are you having problems with, and what exactly is the issue that makes it too hard for you?
I have finished all three ground stfs (Infected, Khitomer, and Cure) on elite in pugs many times. Some of those pugs even were able to get the optionals (Khitomer optional is the easiest).
The most important thing to understand is that knowledge, and understanding the instance is your most effective tool to completing it. Knowing what gear to have, what devices to equip, and what kit(s) to use and what tactics to use will vastly increase your chances of success.
Try checking out the stf chat channels such as EliteSTF (Private channel that requires an invitation) or PublicSTF ( I haven't subscribed to PublicSTF so I am not familiar with it.) Getting into an active fleet can also find you some people who can help you. Having a group of people who know what they are doing is the best way to get STFs finished with optionals.
Don't be afraid of asking in game for advice. I will generally help people who ask for it, or if I see someone who appears to be having a problem.
Ground rewards + a completely efficient team of 5 players who basically steamroll the entire map = easy marks.
The people complaining about the Elite STFs being too hard are the exact reason why there's little to no challenge elsewhere in the game. Instead of taking the initiative to refuse to join the public queues, instead of manning up and leaving cowardice at the door... you want the bar lowered instead of going over the bar and proving how badass you can be.
Fight the borg, not the incompetence of pugging.
This point. It bears repeating.
If you find them too difficult, you need to learn how to do them properly.
There are guides on doing elite STF's that can be found on these forums. Aside from that, some fleets offer training STF courses for new members, and instructional videos can also be found on youtube. Lastly, you need to join one of the in game STF channels so that you can form private STF parties. After you've learned the ropes and started organizing private parties, STf's will be a cinch for you.