My personal thoughts are that I understand why you might want to keep a 10 or 15km field of battle with Escorts, but that rule is really unfair to a ship like a Carrier or Cruiser with an extremely wide turn ratio. I'd call foul if you tried to make that rule with me when I was flying one of those, purely because you're forcing me to take a huge hit on Defense as well as positioning, which is bad enough on the big boys. Escort to Escort though I can see it, but hey its a 1v1, you make the rules when you do the match. If you don't state it I'd say its purely legit, particularly if he said that's his strategy and you were cool with it.
Obviously in a team v. team environment it'd be a little harder (and less safe) to get too far away from your chums, but he might likewise stick around if he's getting Cross Healed. I'm going to say it was Legit unless you had made some kind of rules. Nothing wrong with people using special tactics. Part of the fun of the game is making all kinds of wierd builds. That's a large part why I have as many characters as I do, to have a ready-made character to mess with just about any kind of build you can imagine.
I always find it funny when people challenge BoPs to 1v1 matches, obviously meaning 'you fight me without the battlecloak'. The battlecloak is more or less what keeps the BoP alive and relevant in PvP. There's not much point in flying a BoP if you're gonna abstain from using the battlecloak at any point, not unless you're able to get your resistances and defense up to a ridiculously high level.
Demanding a BoP stop using the battlecloak is basically like say 'you sit there and let me shoot you'.
This was also one of the things I read when I saw this. Anyone familiar with flying a Klingon BoP knows the only thing in your favor is your Cloak. Your hull is too weak, your shields are too weak, hell even your weapons are too weak to be running without cloak. To ask someone to do that is cowardly. If you don't like cloak in a battle just ask to fight something else, particularly in a 1v1.
I realize a lot of people have problems with Cloak. My own fleet leader thinks its a cowardly tactic and hates it, but I personally disagree in the sense that its just another of many tactics with counters to it. Additionally, at least with the Klingons BOPs are fairly easy to kill for the most part. Its a twitch build ship. Its true you come in guns blazing and it can hurt, but honestly a Raptor or Defiant can hurt more. The only advantage the bop has is that it can bug out right after it hits you with the ambush. This is actually why I think Cloak and the BOP need a reconsideration in the game. The whole Romulan faction has bop-like battle cloak. The flipside is they take a hit in power, but they also get fancy new singularity abilties. To be honest I like Singularity abilities, but its really hard to compare a Warbird (escorty type) vs. Raptors fairly. Part of the problem is Bridge Officer traits. I personally think that Boff traits are a good thing, in the right balance. The problem with balance right now is that not enough KDF or Fed officers have good traits. Klingons really have one trait available to them 'Efficient'. Federation really has just two: Efficient and Leadership. There is the Veteran Trait, but that is so rare as to be unmentionable honestly. Meanwhile as a Romulan you have at your disposal: Efficient, Leadership, Basic Veteran (D'vex), Subterfuge, Operative, etc etc.
I have no problem with the Romulans being really good at cloaking combat, but I think its a bit bothersome that no similar (but different) traits are available for both sides, and I've been thinking this a very long time (even before the Romulan faction). The Doff-Department Head system was supposed to deal with this, but has never gone on to do so.
What is my point in all this. I can accept that Klingons are not quite as good at Cloaking as the Romulans. Its technology they stole from the Romulans, and they're jamming it onto a Warp Core based system. I think its pretty clear though that Klingons are good hunters, they're good at space combat, and an aggressive comparable Space Trait offering should be available to the boffs they use. Likewise, nowadays the same could be said of the Federation. Sorry, but to those people who think the Feds don't cloak, I find that just bizarre at this point. The cat has been way out of the bag since before the Defiant, and hell they Feds have even devised a Phasing Technology which was even stronger on the shows (Not suggesting they add this in game). The point is simply that more Trait options should be available. Sorry for the Tangent here, but I do think its part of the problem with Cloak in general.
On another issue in the whole Wierd Cloaking rules in our game. Why should a B'rel and a D'deridex and a Raptor and a T'varo and so on get cloak built in for free when the Defiant and Galaxy X do not. It is stupid. Some things should just be built into a ship, because that's what that ship does.
I'm rambling, but forgive me. Computer problems have made it impossible to play for about a week, and the two weeks before that have been hell to play. So I've been sitting here just musing things about the game between bouts of trying to fix the system.
The longer this thread goes on, the more I am convinced that the majority of the pvp community is made up of carebears that expect a stationary shieldless target
Just saying.
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The longer this thread goes on, the more I am convinced that the majority of the pvp community is made up of carebears that expect a stationary shieldless target
Just saying.
Same can be said for your argument, the person "running" away simply wants to attack every alpha expecting the person to just sit pretty for them.
The longer this thread goes on, the more I am convinced that the majority of the pvp community is made up of carebears that expect a stationary shieldless target
If you can't survive one player by normal means you shouldn't be playing either.
lol
You're the authority on what is normal in the game? Evasive Maneuvers is an abnormal ability? Emergency Power to Engines is a deviant lifelstyle? Engine Batteries are contraband?
Same can be said for your argument, the person "running" away simply wants to attack every alpha expecting the person to just sit pretty for them.
Sure. If, that's all of which their opponent is capable, then their opponent should consider some changes to their build.
You should maybe read Sun Tzu sometime.
eta: Was Captain Kirk "Running Away" when he was trying to get out of range of the Romulan's Heavy Plasma Torpedo in "Balance of Terror"? Hmmm? You're calling Captain Kirk a cheater?
Good. If a player can't learn how to chase down a fleeing opponent. then they ought not be PvPing.
no worries, I still know how to be able to chase down a fast enemy, but in this situation i used a basic escort build comprising 2x epts and borg engines which makes it almost impossible to reach his speed, you can try it out. It would have required a more specialized build composed of at least 2 pc omega set/fleet impulse engines with Spdx3 + 1 copy of epte (+ deuterium surplus) in order to pursue him successfully.
no worries, I still know how to be able to chase down a fast enemy, but in this situation i used a basic escort build comprising 2x epts and borg engines which makes it almost impossible to reach his speed, you can try it out. It would have required a more specialized build composed of at least 2 pc omega set/fleet impulse engines with Spdx3 + 1 copy of epte (+ deuterium surplus) in order to pursue him successfully.
Understood.
I'm just butting against the notion that pops up on these boards, that disparages players for playing to their strengths. It's mind boggling. Those players didn't hack the game. They made the decisions that any of us could have made and came up with an effective ship and strategy. That does not make them dishonorable people.
no worries, I still know how to be able to chase down a fast enemy, but in this situation i used a basic escort build comprising 2x epts and borg engines which makes it almost impossible to reach his speed, you can try it out. It would have required a more specialized build composed of at least 2 pc omega set/fleet impulse engines with Spdx3 + 1 copy of epte (+ deuterium surplus) in order to pursue him successfully.
If they run once they will return if they don't warp out....they always return with more rage and most of the times ready to pop
What is my point in all this. I can accept that Klingons are not quite as good at Cloaking as the Romulans. Its technology they stole from the Romulans, and they're jamming it onto a Warp Core based system.
I have never accepted this logic. Just because the Romulans 'had it first' doesn't necessarily mean they're going to be better at it. Also, the Klingons didn't steal the technology, it was a trade between two civilizations that were tenative allies at the time. They got the Romulan cloaking technology and presumably a full understanding of how it worked. There is absolutely no reason to think the Klingons wouldn't have kept relative pace with the Romulans in terms of the tech. The main difference is in how they tend to use the cloak. Also, I have my doubts that 'having it on a warp engine system' would really make a difference.
In my view, claiming that the Klingons couldn't possibly have kept pace means you're insinuating that Klingons are all stupid and boorish, which is a very ignorant view to take. There are plenty of Klingon engineers, scientists, and so on. There's no other way they could've kept pace with the rest of the galaxy if they hadn't, they would be like the Kazon. It's just that most of what we see of Klingons in the shows are regular Klingon Defense Force soldiers/warriors, who aren't required to be the cream of the crop when it comes to that sort of thing.
The only thing that I can say I find annoying are players that try to abuse the ability to log out in the middle of a fight in an attempt to save themselves from death.
Thankfully how ever, if they try it in Ker'rat, they will just log back in in the same position where they logged out. So it's just a matter of waiting for them to log back in and continueing the ponage. :P
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Is running when you are at a disadvantage considered wrong?
It all depends on your point of view. In my opinion, outside of cheating (using 3rd party programs, logging out in a match, etc.), all is fair.
Yes, some bring a ton of P2W, some hit and run, etc., all is fair to me. I would love to have a bug ship to fight with, but I don't. Just because someone flying a bug beats me, I'm not going to say "not fair". Same goes for cloaking, running, etc. Some even use way overpowered items, well, I say, let them.
Yep, I very well could lose the match because I don't have the stuff that they do, or can't counteract what they are doing... So what. I play the best I can, win or lose. I'm there to have fun.
Also, trying to counteract someone that runs is part of the battle. It helps you to open your eyes to other possibilities, and just like chess, there is no "perfect" build that can be used against everything.
However, if a match goes on (lets say 10-15 minutes) and the game is getting no-where, I would call it a draw.
I have never accepted this logic. Just because the Romulans 'had it first' doesn't necessarily mean they're going to be better at it. Also, the Klingons didn't steal the technology, it was a trade between two civilizations that were tenative allies at the time. They got the Romulan cloaking technology and presumably a full understanding of how it worked. There is absolutely no reason to think the Klingons wouldn't have kept relative pace with the Romulans in terms of the tech. The main difference is in how they tend to use the cloak. Also, I have my doubts that 'having it on a warp engine system' would really make a difference.
In my view, claiming that the Klingons couldn't possibly have kept pace means you're insinuating that Klingons are all stupid and boorish, which is a very ignorant view to take. There are plenty of Klingon engineers, scientists, and so on. There's no other way they could've kept pace with the rest of the galaxy if they hadn't, they would be like the Kazon. It's just that most of what we see of Klingons in the shows are regular Klingon Defense Force soldiers/warriors, who aren't required to be the cream of the crop when it comes to that sort of thing.
That's not what I was suggesting. I"m fine with Klingons not having better cloaking technology than the Romulans simply because they're not as sneaky as the Romulans. However the disparity as it exists now stinks. You're putting too much into what I said. I'd see Klingons having harder hitting weapons, heavier hulls and inferior cloaks to the ROmulans potentially if a distinction were to be made. THe bop should still be every bit as good as the Romulan cloakers though. Its the sneaky toy in their quiver. I'm editing or appending to add clarity. The point is if they want to make Romulans the Premiere Sneakers I can live with that, but that shouldn't mean klingons stink. Most of my characters are Klingon faction. I enjoy playing my Reman and Romulan captains, as well as Federation. The only point I was making had more to do with their line of thinking than anything else.
Hannibal! You cant really say anything, you are the guy i had a one on one in my scimitar with and even after you actually accepted the challenge then proceeded to rage at me because i was cloaking and you were losing.
What
The
****?
And now you are here whining about something else?
Do you want everyone who has some kind of advantage over your unimaginative bug ship to give it up so you can get in your perfect alpha cannon strikes? Lol?
Get over yourself man, if someone does something, then its in the game for a reason otherwise it would be an exploit. Just because you dont like it, or cant figure out what it is doesn't make it wrong or mean they 'should stop using it'.
Bug pilots always get upset when they either:
A) Die after gobbing off in zone asking people to 1 on 1 Find someone/something that prevents them vapourising a target with alpha DHC rapid fire strikes.
I find it really annoying. Its just like when you pvp Klingons, like HOBO or someone. If they win they all say 'gg' or drop some wisecrack. But when you hand their TRIBBLE to them like me and some others did in a pug capture and hold team yesterday, where they didnt get a single kill, you say 'gg' instead and they don't say anything. Hypocrits. Some real sore sore losers in pvp on this game i have noticed.
That is all.
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@op looks legit to me . Some have builds that can chase and disable runners, some don't. It's mostly circumstance . It all depends on the player if they want to specialize, be flexible, or be all over the place (last one not recommend lol)
Why is this even an issue. As long as its in the game, and a part of what you can actually "do". Anything that is a part of the game should not be considdered cheating or whatever.
Okey, if you decide a set of rules before the battle, sure go ahead.. but other than that this should not be an issue....
When i read the OP's description of what he did, i was actually impressed that someone made a unique build like that. I would rather encourage people to think out of the box, so that any build could be a possible challenge to play against.
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Sounds like a good tactic to me.
Think about it, whats the difference between: Full on attack, the move away to a safe distance, only to strike again
And then there's:
Klingon BoP/Romulan with battle-cloak where they can: Full on attack, then cloak, move to a safe distance, decloak and strike again
One has cloak, one doesn't. Same type of tactic only with the cloaked ship, you can't see where they are, or for that matter, how far away they have moved.
Just my thoughts and opinion, but yea, I'd have to say its a fair tactic.
I am not a Mod. I am just a player. You have been informed :cool:
Hannibal! You cant really say anything, you are the guy i had a one on one in my scimitar with and even after you actually accepted the challenge then proceeded to rage at me because i was cloaking and you were losing.
Well that's why you don't 1v1 with ships that can dogfight and cloak...when the game was designed that was not possible for a reason but now thanks to p2w KDF ships with battlecloak were trashed and if you are romulan you are allowed to dogfight fine in 1v1 and then cloak when you are no longer in the mood to fight.
Well that's why you don't 1v1 with ships that can dogfight and cloak...when the game was designed that was not possible for a reason but now thanks to p2w KDF ships with battlecloak were trashed and if you are romulan you are allowed to dogfight fine in 1v1 and then cloak when you are no longer in the mood to fight.
Thumbs up for Geko :rolleyes:
Only real KDF ship with a battle-cloak is a BoP, though there might be a few others added recently (feel free to correct me on that)
As for P2W KDF ships? More like P2K Ships (Pay to keep-up), to more or less keep up with the number of different FED ships and most likely over abundance of Romulan ships that I'm sure are soon to show up eventually.
Anywho, as a Primary Fed player, I don't mind the Cloaks on KDF ships. Honestly think they should get a bit of an upgrade to match Romulan Cloaks (at least all the smaller ships) but thats for an entirely different section and topic all together.
Anyway, back on topic:
I actually enjoy 1V1'ing KDF and Romulans with their cloaks, it adds a challenge to the game, that quite frankly, PVE lacks.
Sure people will whine and moan, complain and yell "THATS TOO OP!",
They just know how to use their ships, and cloaks properly.
Hell, look at past threads, where people are crying about something being TOO Powerful BEFORE it even goes live.
There's plenty of ways to beat a Klingon. Just like there's plenty of ways to beat a FED, or Rommy.
Ok I'm rambling now....sorry
I am not a Mod. I am just a player. You have been informed :cool:
Only real KDF ship with a battle-cloak is a BoP, though there might be a few others added recently (feel free to correct me on that)
As for P2W KDF ships? More like P2K Ships (Pay to keep-up), to more or less keep up with the number of different FED ships and most likely over abundance of Romulan ships that
Sorry ,I had to put a " , " between p2w and kdf.Reading that hos it is now sounds stupid lol
I ment p2w stuffs made kdf ships with battlecloak be garbage.There is no reason to play a BoP when you have a tvaro (or the other one with a weird name :rolleyes: ) that can stay dogfight ,decloak apa strike and so on.
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Obviously in a team v. team environment it'd be a little harder (and less safe) to get too far away from your chums, but he might likewise stick around if he's getting Cross Healed. I'm going to say it was Legit unless you had made some kind of rules. Nothing wrong with people using special tactics. Part of the fun of the game is making all kinds of wierd builds. That's a large part why I have as many characters as I do, to have a ready-made character to mess with just about any kind of build you can imagine.
Good. If a player can't learn how to chase down a fleeing opponent. then they ought not be PvPing.
This was also one of the things I read when I saw this. Anyone familiar with flying a Klingon BoP knows the only thing in your favor is your Cloak. Your hull is too weak, your shields are too weak, hell even your weapons are too weak to be running without cloak. To ask someone to do that is cowardly. If you don't like cloak in a battle just ask to fight something else, particularly in a 1v1.
I realize a lot of people have problems with Cloak. My own fleet leader thinks its a cowardly tactic and hates it, but I personally disagree in the sense that its just another of many tactics with counters to it. Additionally, at least with the Klingons BOPs are fairly easy to kill for the most part. Its a twitch build ship. Its true you come in guns blazing and it can hurt, but honestly a Raptor or Defiant can hurt more. The only advantage the bop has is that it can bug out right after it hits you with the ambush. This is actually why I think Cloak and the BOP need a reconsideration in the game. The whole Romulan faction has bop-like battle cloak. The flipside is they take a hit in power, but they also get fancy new singularity abilties. To be honest I like Singularity abilities, but its really hard to compare a Warbird (escorty type) vs. Raptors fairly. Part of the problem is Bridge Officer traits. I personally think that Boff traits are a good thing, in the right balance. The problem with balance right now is that not enough KDF or Fed officers have good traits. Klingons really have one trait available to them 'Efficient'. Federation really has just two: Efficient and Leadership. There is the Veteran Trait, but that is so rare as to be unmentionable honestly. Meanwhile as a Romulan you have at your disposal: Efficient, Leadership, Basic Veteran (D'vex), Subterfuge, Operative, etc etc.
I have no problem with the Romulans being really good at cloaking combat, but I think its a bit bothersome that no similar (but different) traits are available for both sides, and I've been thinking this a very long time (even before the Romulan faction). The Doff-Department Head system was supposed to deal with this, but has never gone on to do so.
What is my point in all this. I can accept that Klingons are not quite as good at Cloaking as the Romulans. Its technology they stole from the Romulans, and they're jamming it onto a Warp Core based system. I think its pretty clear though that Klingons are good hunters, they're good at space combat, and an aggressive comparable Space Trait offering should be available to the boffs they use. Likewise, nowadays the same could be said of the Federation. Sorry, but to those people who think the Feds don't cloak, I find that just bizarre at this point. The cat has been way out of the bag since before the Defiant, and hell they Feds have even devised a Phasing Technology which was even stronger on the shows (Not suggesting they add this in game). The point is simply that more Trait options should be available. Sorry for the Tangent here, but I do think its part of the problem with Cloak in general.
On another issue in the whole Wierd Cloaking rules in our game. Why should a B'rel and a D'deridex and a Raptor and a T'varo and so on get cloak built in for free when the Defiant and Galaxy X do not. It is stupid. Some things should just be built into a ship, because that's what that ship does.
I'm rambling, but forgive me. Computer problems have made it impossible to play for about a week, and the two weeks before that have been hell to play. So I've been sitting here just musing things about the game between bouts of trying to fix the system.
If you can't survive one player by normal means you shouldn't be playing either.
Just saying.
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Same can be said for your argument, the person "running" away simply wants to attack every alpha expecting the person to just sit pretty for them.
lol
You're the authority on what is normal in the game? Evasive Maneuvers is an abnormal ability? Emergency Power to Engines is a deviant lifelstyle? Engine Batteries are contraband?
Sure. If, that's all of which their opponent is capable, then their opponent should consider some changes to their build.
You should maybe read Sun Tzu sometime.
eta: Was Captain Kirk "Running Away" when he was trying to get out of range of the Romulan's Heavy Plasma Torpedo in "Balance of Terror"? Hmmm? You're calling Captain Kirk a cheater?
no worries, I still know how to be able to chase down a fast enemy, but in this situation i used a basic escort build comprising 2x epts and borg engines which makes it almost impossible to reach his speed, you can try it out. It would have required a more specialized build composed of at least 2 pc omega set/fleet impulse engines with Spdx3 + 1 copy of epte (+ deuterium surplus) in order to pursue him successfully.
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Understood.
I'm just butting against the notion that pops up on these boards, that disparages players for playing to their strengths. It's mind boggling. Those players didn't hack the game. They made the decisions that any of us could have made and came up with an effective ship and strategy. That does not make them dishonorable people.
But he was a cheater...
No. Your fun makes everyone else's fun wrong by default.
If they run once they will return if they don't warp out....they always return with more rage and most of the times ready to pop
I have never accepted this logic. Just because the Romulans 'had it first' doesn't necessarily mean they're going to be better at it. Also, the Klingons didn't steal the technology, it was a trade between two civilizations that were tenative allies at the time. They got the Romulan cloaking technology and presumably a full understanding of how it worked. There is absolutely no reason to think the Klingons wouldn't have kept relative pace with the Romulans in terms of the tech. The main difference is in how they tend to use the cloak. Also, I have my doubts that 'having it on a warp engine system' would really make a difference.
In my view, claiming that the Klingons couldn't possibly have kept pace means you're insinuating that Klingons are all stupid and boorish, which is a very ignorant view to take. There are plenty of Klingon engineers, scientists, and so on. There's no other way they could've kept pace with the rest of the galaxy if they hadn't, they would be like the Kazon. It's just that most of what we see of Klingons in the shows are regular Klingon Defense Force soldiers/warriors, who aren't required to be the cream of the crop when it comes to that sort of thing.
Thankfully how ever, if they try it in Ker'rat, they will just log back in in the same position where they logged out. So it's just a matter of waiting for them to log back in and continueing the ponage. :P
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It all depends on your point of view. In my opinion, outside of cheating (using 3rd party programs, logging out in a match, etc.), all is fair.
Yes, some bring a ton of P2W, some hit and run, etc., all is fair to me. I would love to have a bug ship to fight with, but I don't. Just because someone flying a bug beats me, I'm not going to say "not fair". Same goes for cloaking, running, etc. Some even use way overpowered items, well, I say, let them.
Yep, I very well could lose the match because I don't have the stuff that they do, or can't counteract what they are doing... So what. I play the best I can, win or lose. I'm there to have fun.
Also, trying to counteract someone that runs is part of the battle. It helps you to open your eyes to other possibilities, and just like chess, there is no "perfect" build that can be used against everything.
However, if a match goes on (lets say 10-15 minutes) and the game is getting no-where, I would call it a draw.
Don't forget to cover the spot in warp poo and mines, too.
That's not what I was suggesting. I"m fine with Klingons not having better cloaking technology than the Romulans simply because they're not as sneaky as the Romulans. However the disparity as it exists now stinks. You're putting too much into what I said. I'd see Klingons having harder hitting weapons, heavier hulls and inferior cloaks to the ROmulans potentially if a distinction were to be made. THe bop should still be every bit as good as the Romulan cloakers though. Its the sneaky toy in their quiver. I'm editing or appending to add clarity. The point is if they want to make Romulans the Premiere Sneakers I can live with that, but that shouldn't mean klingons stink. Most of my characters are Klingon faction. I enjoy playing my Reman and Romulan captains, as well as Federation. The only point I was making had more to do with their line of thinking than anything else.
What
The
****?
And now you are here whining about something else?
Do you want everyone who has some kind of advantage over your unimaginative bug ship to give it up so you can get in your perfect alpha cannon strikes? Lol?
Get over yourself man, if someone does something, then its in the game for a reason otherwise it would be an exploit. Just because you dont like it, or cant figure out what it is doesn't make it wrong or mean they 'should stop using it'.
Bug pilots always get upset when they either:
A) Die after gobbing off in zone asking people to 1 on 1
I find it really annoying. Its just like when you pvp Klingons, like HOBO or someone. If they win they all say 'gg' or drop some wisecrack. But when you hand their TRIBBLE to them like me and some others did in a pug capture and hold team yesterday, where they didnt get a single kill, you say 'gg' instead and they don't say anything. Hypocrits. Some real sore sore losers in pvp on this game i have noticed.
That is all.
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Okey, if you decide a set of rules before the battle, sure go ahead.. but other than that this should not be an issue....
When i read the OP's description of what he did, i was actually impressed that someone made a unique build like that. I would rather encourage people to think out of the box, so that any build could be a possible challenge to play against.
Think about it, whats the difference between: Full on attack, the move away to a safe distance, only to strike again
And then there's:
Klingon BoP/Romulan with battle-cloak where they can: Full on attack, then cloak, move to a safe distance, decloak and strike again
One has cloak, one doesn't. Same type of tactic only with the cloaked ship, you can't see where they are, or for that matter, how far away they have moved.
Just my thoughts and opinion, but yea, I'd have to say its a fair tactic.
Well that's why you don't 1v1 with ships that can dogfight and cloak...when the game was designed that was not possible for a reason but now thanks to p2w KDF ships with battlecloak were trashed and if you are romulan you are allowed to dogfight fine in 1v1 and then cloak when you are no longer in the mood to fight.
Thumbs up for Geko :rolleyes:
Only real KDF ship with a battle-cloak is a BoP, though there might be a few others added recently (feel free to correct me on that)
As for P2W KDF ships? More like P2K Ships (Pay to keep-up), to more or less keep up with the number of different FED ships and most likely over abundance of Romulan ships that I'm sure are soon to show up eventually.
Anywho, as a Primary Fed player, I don't mind the Cloaks on KDF ships. Honestly think they should get a bit of an upgrade to match Romulan Cloaks (at least all the smaller ships) but thats for an entirely different section and topic all together.
Anyway, back on topic:
I actually enjoy 1V1'ing KDF and Romulans with their cloaks, it adds a challenge to the game, that quite frankly, PVE lacks.
Sure people will whine and moan, complain and yell "THATS TOO OP!",
They just know how to use their ships, and cloaks properly.
Hell, look at past threads, where people are crying about something being TOO Powerful BEFORE it even goes live.
There's plenty of ways to beat a Klingon. Just like there's plenty of ways to beat a FED, or Rommy.
Ok I'm rambling now....sorry
Sorry ,I had to put a " , " between p2w and kdf.Reading that hos it is now sounds stupid lol
I ment p2w stuffs made kdf ships with battlecloak be garbage.There is no reason to play a BoP when you have a tvaro (or the other one with a weird name :rolleyes: ) that can stay dogfight ,decloak apa strike and so on.
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