C'mon, naz - face it - Cryptic's going to ignore addressing anything. And anything they do address, we'd have been better off if they hadn't addressed it.
Example: The roof is leaking. Suggestion, patch the roof. Instead, Cryptic sells the house to buy umbrellas.
C'mon, naz - face it - Cryptic's going to ignore addressing anything. And anything they do address, we'd have been better off if they hadn't addressed it.
Example: The roof is leaking. Suggestion, patch the roof. Instead, Cryptic sells the house to buy umbrellas.
1 major thing is getting addressed, true it had nothing to do with this thread, but with GW and doubletap and all that stuff getting attention, nows no time to give up. eventually they will have another second to pay attention to the complaint of the week, they are likely busy at the moment though
1 major thing is getting addressed, true it had nothing to do with this thread, but with GW and doubletap and all that stuff getting attention, nows no time to give up. eventually they will have another second to pay attention to the complaint of the week, they are likely busy at the moment though
I guess now wouldn't be a good time for me to grumble about the fact that the Scimitar's drone pets have scramble sensors. I mean, they gave a destroyer/escort a pet that makes it impossible for you to target them while attempting to heal yourself on top of the fact that the ship also comes with battle cloak and singularity powers.
1 major thing is getting addressed, true it had nothing to do with this thread, but with GW and doubletap and all that stuff getting attention, nows no time to give up. eventually they will have another second to pay attention to the complaint of the week, they are likely busy at the moment though
issue: GW2/GW3 not taking Aux/skill correctly
Cryptic fix: nerf GW1, realize that fixing GW2/GW3 would make them more powerful than they want, so nerf GW2/GW3 first - although GW2/GW3 should be better than they are now, they will not be as good as they should have been if they were working correctly in the first place
issue: BO doubletaps
Cryptic fix: introduce a 5s gap between the use of BO/HY/TS, removing not only the ability to trigger Ability#1, wait 15s, trigger Ability#2, fire both shots...but also removing trigger Ability#1, wait ~29s, fire, trigger Ability#1 again.
So uh, Tom and Jerry just coordinate their BO's and drop them out at the same time. Heck, they add in a pair of TS while they're at it. 5s later, they pop another target. Moments later, both folks that died are on the forums suggesting that no more than one person be able to shoot at them. Moments later, they die to somebody doing a BO/TS/CRF. They're on the forums stating that people shouldn't be able to use more than one weapon ability at a time. Moments later, they die to the BO/Iso/R-Tet Cascade. They're on the forums complaining that folks shouldn't be able to use anything to kill them. Moments later, they manage to blow themselves up...
look at the scoreboard...it was 4 of us plus pug against 4 of you plus pug
but ye keep telling yourself that it was 4vs5^^
this is my last comment in this thread, i dont wanna spam naz?s thread further:
in the first match after this vid which we apparantly lost we were only 1 healer (me) and 4 escorts and we came in to pug in arena not with the intention to engage other premades to achieve a success. and what could such a team do when on the other side are at least 2 healers?^^ no healer in this game is able to keep 4 escorts alive, isnt it ?^^
that's also complete nonsense...we met in the queue when you made that vid..there was nothing organized...the fact that we were flying around with 3 escorts and 2 sci ships..with like no heals and 2 new players shows that...
you would guess people notice the difference between 1 escort and 4 sci ships and 3 escorts and 2 sci ships...
this is a lie. i can exactly remember that this match was a private match and you accepted this challenge. furthermore in ilhanks pvp channel there are only fleet vs fleet premade matches which have been set up in a private challenge. in case it is a match in arena it is described with "PUG vs....", as far as i know. Feel free to take a look at it.
the match some days later showd what's really happening...you realized you have no chance....and decided to BEAM OUT after getting beaten 8:0..
only praxis stayed in...
again, learn to read my whole replies. in the second match i queued alone, i was separated from my fleeties and in an alpha boat which is not really a team escort, there was no communication at all much less coordination, i could have been considered as another pug cuz i wasnt on my fleets TS. only my 3 other fleeties were together. it was exactly the opposite of what has happened according to you: it showed nothing cuz u faced a half team against a full team of you so it is not a good comparison to the video where a 5v5 match has been indicated, sry to disappoint you
issue: GW2/GW3 not taking Aux/skill correctly
Cryptic fix: nerf GW1, realize that fixing GW2/GW3 would make them more powerful than they want, so nerf GW2/GW3 first - although GW2/GW3 should be better than they are now, they will not be as good as they should have been if they were working correctly in the first place
GW1 has higher base unbuffed effectiveness, and at its most buffed top end slightly less. for 90% of its users this is not a nerf. i used to build EWP boats that did DoTs of around 2k damage, every half second or so. i could kill common npcs with it in about 5 seconds, there was no need to fire weapons on anything caught in the cloud, even red alert cubes. it sounds like fully buffed GW3 wasn't to far from that, and its cast on whoever your pointing at, you dont need to try to catch someone in it. and then theres the doff that causes them to recast on you a few seconds later. even now you can cast GWs on people that not even EPtE, evasive and APO can get you out of, so im revealed they were adjusted internally, aside from fixing broken skill interactions. fixed GW is most likely going to terrorize the ques much more then most realize.
issue: BO doubletaps
Cryptic fix: introduce a 5s gap between the use of BO/HY/TS, removing not only the ability to trigger Ability#1, wait 15s, trigger Ability#2, fire both shots...but also removing trigger Ability#1, wait ~29s, fire, trigger Ability#1 again.
So uh, Tom and Jerry just coordinate their BO's and drop them out at the same time. Heck, they add in a pair of TS while they're at it. 5s later, they pop another target. Moments later, both folks that died are on the forums suggesting that no more than one person be able to shoot at them. Moments later, they die to somebody doing a BO/TS/CRF. They're on the forums stating that people shouldn't be able to use more than one weapon ability at a time. Moments later, they die to the BO/Iso/R-Tet Cascade. They're on the forums complaining that folks shouldn't be able to use anything to kill them. Moments later, they manage to blow themselves up...
this was always an issue with what ONE person could do and stack, that was the concern. focus fire from multiple people is perfectly acceptable. it stops here, regarding nerfs, with what they did with BO/THY/TS
this is a lie. i can exactly remember that this match was a private match and you accepted this challenge. furthermore in ilhanks pvp channel there are only fleet vs fleet premade matches which have been set up in a private challenge. in case it is a match in arena it is described with "PUG vs....", as far as i know. Feel free to take a look at it.
well if it helps you to sleep better at night then keep thinking that nonsense :cool:
the only one you're trying to convince here is youself mate and i never heard about that ilhanks channel you're talking about anyways
so..more pew pew..less QQ...see ya on the battlefield
(but don't beam out like you did last time....):P
Just make TIF give me the Wells bonuses only, and I'd slot it without the Q.Q. from those who don't run PSW with the aftershock doffs.
I'd love that myself. Just reverse the two:
Make it so that any ship would get that huge buff, but only allow a Temporal ship of some kind to get the big AoE debuff of TIF. Don't nerf or alter the effects, just switch em.
I remain empathetic to the concerns of my community, but do me a favor and lay off the god damn name calling and petty remarks. It will get you nowhere.
I must admit, respect points to Trendy for laying down the law like that.
Make it so that any ship would get that huge buff, but only allow a Temporal ship of some kind to get the big AoE debuff of TIF. Don't nerf or alter the effects, just switch em.
That'd remove 99.9% of the QQ right there.
Maybe Im getting blind with age but that TIF shet is spammed by people in wells most of the times .I mean Ive never seen a bug ship with tif.
Just make TIF give me the Wells bonuses only, and I'd slot it without the Q.Q. from those who don't run PSW with the aftershock doffs.
2 people in a group using it at the same time ...that's what I had in 2 matches yesterday.I have the set for TIF and I don't use it...the best thing they can do is remove it from game if they cant fix it.
Maybe Im getting blind with age but that TIF shet is spammed by people in wells most of the times .I mean Ive never seen a bug ship with tif.
either way that power shows how lol is this game.
2 people in a group using it at the same time ...that's what I had in 2 matches yesterday.I have the set for TIF and I don't use it...the best thing they can do is remove it from game if they cant fix it.
I see it by Temporal and non-Temporal vessels. Though on that, you do have to wonder if people are slotting it on a Temporal vessel because they know they will get the extra buff and that is all they want, or if the focus is still on the AoE in their minds.
People who want the AoE on a Temporal vessel will still always use it, and wouldn't be hurt at all. Only those who care about spamming the AoE will get hit by it. Plus again, the effects wouldn't be nerfed in the slightest, just reversing the two things.
Besides, that'd be one hell of an investment at that point: 600 lobi, possibly another 800 lobi and/or getting lucky out of a lockbox for one or both ships is pretty huge.
For just the 600 lobi, that is about 150 keys (at 4 lobi per box averaged), not to mention having one or both Temporal vessels JUST so they can use a single AoE off a single three-piece set.
That's a nerf to the wallet if nothing else. People who would still spam it, would just have to spam it on a Temporal ship and only one of those. Everyone else would just get a really really nice buff (and if Cryptic decided to enhance the buff from it, that'd be ok by me, it's still one heck of an investment at 600 lobi for that set).
I remain empathetic to the concerns of my community, but do me a favor and lay off the god damn name calling and petty remarks. It will get you nowhere.
I must admit, respect points to Trendy for laying down the law like that.
Naz and I are as guilty as any of you, so please don't take this personally.
The TIF conversation is large enough that it probably warrants its own thread, or it could be discussed here in the thread hosted by the dashing Regulus.
Thanks for understanding, we're all passionate about this and sometimes the conversation just can't help itself but its probably better to move it to a separate thread at this point.
Less QQ, more Pew Pew. More Pew Pew, less QQ. Issue: Either of those statements are often used to handwave a topic, whether it's because a person has no actual reply - they don't care in the least - they're a heavy user of what's being discussed, etc, etc, etc.
It often appears that the person doing the most QQ is the one using a variation of said statements.
Although it doesn't quite fit STO, there is a statement that does not quite have the same connotations (basically, leaving one with no idea why the person said it - thus, leaving the discussion open longer).
That statement is: Less gab, more stab.
Or this variation: More stab, less gab.
It's simple. It's succinct. There's no wondering about the motive behind it. It's a simple STFU and get back to fighting. None of that QQ/pew pew nonsense that could mean so many things.
I'm not sure how Cryptic could address this, like most things - it will likely be up to the players to address it.
Naz and I are as guilty as any of you, so please don't take this personally.
The TIF conversation is large enough that it probably warrants its own thread, or it could be discussed here in the thread hosted by the dashing Regulus.
Thanks for understanding, we're all passionate about this and sometimes the conversation just can't help itself but its probably better to move it to a separate thread at this point.
That is true Ultimatum. Apologies there. I'll try and remember to keep it to that thread.
I remain empathetic to the concerns of my community, but do me a favor and lay off the god damn name calling and petty remarks. It will get you nowhere.
I must admit, respect points to Trendy for laying down the law like that.
-Attack Pattern Beta from pets stackable:It's unballanced and unfair that spameable pets have a better ability that its player's ability counterpart. This pet ability allows to put in multiple targets multiple copies of this debuff stacked, making able to clean the oposite team with two or three attackers using aoe's like Fire at Will.
-Tractor Beam Mines:
It's unballanced and unfair that spameable mines have a more powerful effect that the player ability 'Tractor beam', with no skill specialization required.
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At my age, it requires a lot more pulling.
C'mon, naz - face it - Cryptic's going to ignore addressing anything. And anything they do address, we'd have been better off if they hadn't addressed it.
Example: The roof is leaking. Suggestion, patch the roof. Instead, Cryptic sells the house to buy umbrellas.
lol.........
I guess now wouldn't be a good time for me to grumble about the fact that the Scimitar's drone pets have scramble sensors. I mean, they gave a destroyer/escort a pet that makes it impossible for you to target them while attempting to heal yourself on top of the fact that the ship also comes with battle cloak and singularity powers.
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issue: GW2/GW3 not taking Aux/skill correctly
Cryptic fix: nerf GW1, realize that fixing GW2/GW3 would make them more powerful than they want, so nerf GW2/GW3 first - although GW2/GW3 should be better than they are now, they will not be as good as they should have been if they were working correctly in the first place
issue: BO doubletaps
Cryptic fix: introduce a 5s gap between the use of BO/HY/TS, removing not only the ability to trigger Ability#1, wait 15s, trigger Ability#2, fire both shots...but also removing trigger Ability#1, wait ~29s, fire, trigger Ability#1 again.
So uh, Tom and Jerry just coordinate their BO's and drop them out at the same time. Heck, they add in a pair of TS while they're at it. 5s later, they pop another target. Moments later, both folks that died are on the forums suggesting that no more than one person be able to shoot at them. Moments later, they die to somebody doing a BO/TS/CRF. They're on the forums stating that people shouldn't be able to use more than one weapon ability at a time. Moments later, they die to the BO/Iso/R-Tet Cascade. They're on the forums complaining that folks shouldn't be able to use anything to kill them. Moments later, they manage to blow themselves up...
this is my last comment in this thread, i dont wanna spam naz?s thread further:
in the first match after this vid which we apparantly lost we were only 1 healer (me) and 4 escorts and we came in to pug in arena not with the intention to engage other premades to achieve a success. and what could such a team do when on the other side are at least 2 healers?^^ no healer in this game is able to keep 4 escorts alive, isnt it ?^^
this is a lie. i can exactly remember that this match was a private match and you accepted this challenge. furthermore in ilhanks pvp channel there are only fleet vs fleet premade matches which have been set up in a private challenge. in case it is a match in arena it is described with "PUG vs....", as far as i know. Feel free to take a look at it.
again, learn to read my whole replies. in the second match i queued alone, i was separated from my fleeties and in an alpha boat which is not really a team escort, there was no communication at all much less coordination, i could have been considered as another pug cuz i wasnt on my fleets TS. only my 3 other fleeties were together. it was exactly the opposite of what has happened according to you: it showed nothing cuz u faced a half team against a full team of you so it is not a good comparison to the video where a 5v5 match has been indicated, sry to disappoint you
see you in the game/OPvP and enjoy pvping.
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GW1 has higher base unbuffed effectiveness, and at its most buffed top end slightly less. for 90% of its users this is not a nerf. i used to build EWP boats that did DoTs of around 2k damage, every half second or so. i could kill common npcs with it in about 5 seconds, there was no need to fire weapons on anything caught in the cloud, even red alert cubes. it sounds like fully buffed GW3 wasn't to far from that, and its cast on whoever your pointing at, you dont need to try to catch someone in it. and then theres the doff that causes them to recast on you a few seconds later. even now you can cast GWs on people that not even EPtE, evasive and APO can get you out of, so im revealed they were adjusted internally, aside from fixing broken skill interactions. fixed GW is most likely going to terrorize the ques much more then most realize.
this was always an issue with what ONE person could do and stack, that was the concern. focus fire from multiple people is perfectly acceptable. it stops here, regarding nerfs, with what they did with BO/THY/TS
well if it helps you to sleep better at night then keep thinking that nonsense :cool:
the only one you're trying to convince here is youself mate and i never heard about that ilhanks channel you're talking about anyways
so..more pew pew..less QQ...see ya on the battlefield
(but don't beam out like you did last time....):P
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more pew pew less QQ is a good word
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More Inner Circle PvP-Action worth watching from: Hank, Mira Theng and Zimbilimbim
I'd love that myself. Just reverse the two:
Make it so that any ship would get that huge buff, but only allow a Temporal ship of some kind to get the big AoE debuff of TIF. Don't nerf or alter the effects, just switch em.
That'd remove 99.9% of the QQ right there.
Maybe Im getting blind with age but that TIF shet is spammed by people in wells most of the times .I mean Ive never seen a bug ship with tif.
either way that power shows how lol is this game.
2 people in a group using it at the same time ...that's what I had in 2 matches yesterday.I have the set for TIF and I don't use it...the best thing they can do is remove it from game if they cant fix it.
I see it by Temporal and non-Temporal vessels. Though on that, you do have to wonder if people are slotting it on a Temporal vessel because they know they will get the extra buff and that is all they want, or if the focus is still on the AoE in their minds.
People who want the AoE on a Temporal vessel will still always use it, and wouldn't be hurt at all. Only those who care about spamming the AoE will get hit by it. Plus again, the effects wouldn't be nerfed in the slightest, just reversing the two things.
Besides, that'd be one hell of an investment at that point: 600 lobi, possibly another 800 lobi and/or getting lucky out of a lockbox for one or both ships is pretty huge.
For just the 600 lobi, that is about 150 keys (at 4 lobi per box averaged), not to mention having one or both Temporal vessels JUST so they can use a single AoE off a single three-piece set.
That's a nerf to the wallet if nothing else. People who would still spam it, would just have to spam it on a Temporal ship and only one of those. Everyone else would just get a really really nice buff (and if Cryptic decided to enhance the buff from it, that'd be ok by me, it's still one heck of an investment at 600 lobi for that set).
Naz and I are as guilty as any of you, so please don't take this personally.
The TIF conversation is large enough that it probably warrants its own thread, or it could be discussed here in the thread hosted by the dashing Regulus.
Thanks for understanding, we're all passionate about this and sometimes the conversation just can't help itself but its probably better to move it to a separate thread at this point.
Issue: Either of those statements are often used to handwave a topic, whether it's because a person has no actual reply - they don't care in the least - they're a heavy user of what's being discussed, etc, etc, etc.
It often appears that the person doing the most QQ is the one using a variation of said statements.
Although it doesn't quite fit STO, there is a statement that does not quite have the same connotations (basically, leaving one with no idea why the person said it - thus, leaving the discussion open longer).
That statement is: Less gab, more stab.
Or this variation: More stab, less gab.
It's simple. It's succinct. There's no wondering about the motive behind it. It's a simple STFU and get back to fighting. None of that QQ/pew pew nonsense that could mean so many things.
I'm not sure how Cryptic could address this, like most things - it will likely be up to the players to address it.
That is true Ultimatum. Apologies there. I'll try and remember to keep it to that thread.
-Attack Pattern Beta from pets stackable:It's unballanced and unfair that spameable pets have a better ability that its player's ability counterpart. This pet ability allows to put in multiple targets multiple copies of this debuff stacked, making able to clean the oposite team with two or three attackers using aoe's like Fire at Will.
-Tractor Beam Mines:
It's unballanced and unfair that spameable mines have a more powerful effect that the player ability 'Tractor beam', with no skill specialization required.