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Has Cryptic killed STO's long term survivability?
voicesdark
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Star Trek has never been only or heavily centered around space combat, in fact many of the episodes were about exploration, diplomacy, first contact, rescue missions, and a variety of other subjects.
Cryptic has removed all of dynamic aspects of Star Trek and given us only Space combat or missions disguised as nothing more than forced action text based missions. Players get bored with this very easily as we've seen numerous times where there is a spiker for a week or two in players after a season or event releases and then a major drop afterwards. Cryptic has even stated on numerous occasions that they fully realize players are going to come and go, so they focus on bringing in new players.
The only player group Cryptic primarily accepts feedback from are the PvPers who make up an outrageously small amount of the playerbase because to be honest the PVP in this game is the worst I've ever seen/heard of
PWE Customer Support is a complete mockery of the words Customer Support, that is assuming you can even get someone from customer support and it isn't copy/past responses and then the ticket being closed when nothing has been done.
There is no player loyalty, they would rather bring in new players than focus on keeping current/veteran players simply because they think new players buy more, which is probably true because once you realize Cryptic doesn't give a TRIBBLE about you or producing quality content more evenly spread out throughout the year you get bored and don't play as much or spend as much. There's only a finite amount of new players you can draw in before you've left too much of a bad taste in gamer's mouths.
Player feedback: we've seen on countless occasions where many/most of the players on the forums and in-game in the chat have overwhelmingly disagreed with a decision Cryptic has made, and yet that feedback is never considered nor decisions altered. (IE arc, Forcing Romulans to ally with fed/kdf, etc, etc etc.)
Content release schedule/content quality: not even going to bother listing everything wrong with this category.
So with everything listed and so much that wasn't, has Cryptic already written STO's untimely death, or do you believe there is still time and hope that they might come around, see the error of their ways and do something to fix it before it's too late?
Cryptic has removed all of dynamic aspects of Star Trek and given us only Space combat or missions disguised as nothing more than forced action text based missions. Players get bored with this very easily as we've seen numerous times where there is a spiker for a week or two in players after a season or event releases and then a major drop afterwards. Cryptic has even stated on numerous occasions that they fully realize players are going to come and go, so they focus on bringing in new players.
The only player group Cryptic primarily accepts feedback from are the PvPers who make up an outrageously small amount of the playerbase because to be honest the PVP in this game is the worst I've ever seen/heard of
PWE Customer Support is a complete mockery of the words Customer Support, that is assuming you can even get someone from customer support and it isn't copy/past responses and then the ticket being closed when nothing has been done.
There is no player loyalty, they would rather bring in new players than focus on keeping current/veteran players simply because they think new players buy more, which is probably true because once you realize Cryptic doesn't give a TRIBBLE about you or producing quality content more evenly spread out throughout the year you get bored and don't play as much or spend as much. There's only a finite amount of new players you can draw in before you've left too much of a bad taste in gamer's mouths.
Player feedback: we've seen on countless occasions where many/most of the players on the forums and in-game in the chat have overwhelmingly disagreed with a decision Cryptic has made, and yet that feedback is never considered nor decisions altered. (IE arc, Forcing Romulans to ally with fed/kdf, etc, etc etc.)
Content release schedule/content quality: not even going to bother listing everything wrong with this category.
So with everything listed and so much that wasn't, has Cryptic already written STO's untimely death, or do you believe there is still time and hope that they might come around, see the error of their ways and do something to fix it before it's too late?
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"Doooom" ! :rolleyes: ( doom threads are fun )
people have been saying STO is dead and/or dying since beta..... nice try though....you have said nothing new that hasnt been said many times before and lost in the archives.
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Derail much?
It's, ironically, actually a good idea to talk about these matters in general terms, and not lose oneself in specific instances.
I, too, foresee problems with the survivability of this game. The 'power-creep' being the most prominent reason (and the ridiculous imbalances it brings). And, like the OP, I also witness a seemingly ever-increasing stream of bugs that no longer get fixed, all in the name of 'We need to attract new customers!'
What ever happened to attracting new customers the old-fashioned way, simply by making a good product!? You bring up a good product, in which bugs are taken care of (especially the ones you've been made exceedingly aware of, time after time), and everybody scoffs at you, "Haha, bug fixing. :P We need new customers, new customers, new customers!"
My character Tsin'xing
hey it's you !
I was wondering when you were going to show up for a contradiction volley :rolleyes:
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To be fair they did try to do random map generation although the engine failed and the number of random missions was limited, maybe if they were to fix the map generator and add more mission options to choose from the concept of exploration could be made more believable.
As for the topic, STO will be turned off when the list of lockbox ideas runs out.
Hmm, so apparently the amount of input cryptic takes from a subset of STO players is inversely proportional to the quality of the material said player-base gets..... as such it only makes logical sense that to get the best material, a subset should offer no input.
Yeah, it's annoying when ppl don't agree with you, is it?
(ad-hominem response in 3...2....1....)
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Yeah, that's the second time you said that. You know, instead of showing up every time, to say that you will, next time just *do* walk away, sans the theatrics, k?
Here is me... staying... and smiling.
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My character Tsin'xing
My God man, what have you been playing?!? :eek::P:D
On a serious note though, I think it's about time for Cryptic to look themselves in the mirror and have a long deep trail of thought as to what they're doing.
I'm usually very reasonable and have been in agreement with them for the majority of topics/issues, but I have noticed that things have really gone downhill since the release of LoR. At least from my personal experience. I didn't have serious gameplay issues before, but since LoR half of my chars are a bugged mess, and that's just one of the issues.
Most of the rest of it is just the typical ravings of an obsessed LTS PVE fan who thinks the money he spent on his LTS makes him a special flower and that PvPers are children of the devil. He also wears very thick rose-colored glasses if he thinks that Customer Support was better in the Atari era - where there were just as many hundred-plus post threads about how much CS sucked - or that somehow the missions were less about space combat back then. Heck, back in the Atari days people hated the ground combat so much that Cryptic even tried to introduce a Shooter Mode as a way to entice people to do more ground combat stuff - and it didn't work. Space combat was king at launch and it still is - with people still angry that they're forced to spend Skill Points on ground skills. As far as First Contact missions, I guess he means that 1 diplomacy mission that you did over and over with different aliens. There wasn't any other First Contact in the game - as every mission was about a canon alien race. And then it ends with the typical "I don't like the game as is so it's going to die" sentiment we've been hearing since Beta.
So what parts were you "totally agreeing" about?
Must be true. I've offered very little input and I'm fairly content with the game as-is.
...Oh, baby, you know, I've really got to leave you / Oh, I can hear it callin 'me / I said don't you hear it callin' me the way it used to do?...
- Anne Bredon
I wonder if enough Doom threads flare up in the same month, will they eventually synchronize?
R.I.P
into a doom vortex...of DOOOM ?
:rolleyes:
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It seems like a good thing to chart....
They only listen to us when we point out the obvious flaws in their design and swear to keep that in mind the next time they introduce something new. Spoiler alert: They never do.
If they actually listened to us, we wouldn't be in the power creep/CrtH mess that we're in now.
be happy we are saved by the doom threads bow down before them, enjoy them, LOVE THEM!!!!!!!!!
but on a side not this is true of any MMO as long as people are paying, they will keep making/adding things and trying to adjust as they go. Nothing else matters lol it is all about the bottom line and that's it, so all these doom threads really don't do anything at all
sorry to pull this up out of nowhere but... really? dont talk about the foundry as if its the source of all the great content in the game. if that was true it'd be a truely sad statement indeed. Cryptic's response to first contact and stuff is basically "we dont know how to do it right, so we'll leave it to foundry authors". maybe this is just me... but i have 2 problems with this:
1. the foundry is player made content, and while alot of it is really creative, it's best for a game to have that kind of thing be a "official" mission. proper rewards, proper props and scenery, and especially something that can lay impact on the game in some way. whether that be just future missions, or leveling some type of special tree like a reputation, or maybe how the diplomacy Tiers work.
2. the foundry, no matter how much you may or may not like it... is flawed. the bugs for it grow more then it ever shrinks, and creation of maps and missions is rather awkward. it's missing so much that cryptic obviously has available to them, and so much more that would be simple to add, if it was a priority, which it's obvious its not, and probably will never be.
authors dont have the option to make a story line go in two seperate ways, based on a decision the player makes. "kill NPC? or save NPC?" or to keep things simple to the way the story editor is already set up "anger NPC in dialog, or be nice to NPC in dialog". the dialog editor, and the story editor look nearly identical, but act completely different. dialog you can have go in 15 different directions. story is completely linear. no room for two people's play through to end in different ways.
lets also not forget map editor that is tedious to the infinite extreme to make really good stuff with. granted i know this would be harder to fix then the story editor potentually, but i still wish there was a way to see an objects height without loading the map for the 53rd time for that little room. -_-
no. foundry is NOT the option to the game's lack of content. not now not ever.
Quick example, who would object to doff missions becoming linked with the (genisis?) engine exploration missions with solid rewards once in a while? For example say you crit on a 'Scan Gravitational Distortion for Antimatter Samples' doff mission and when you collect the rewards it offers you a mission to go scan 5 anomalies similar to the ones you find when exploring? Offer 200 purple rock to go with it as well if you desire.
Wouldn't that be at least a little bit exciting?
Or a bi-weeking mission series that focused heavily upon a handful of characters, say of a colony, space station, or planet like Nimbus. It wouldn't need to have an epic galaxy mega-plot changing storyline just one focusing on a handful of characters.
Nope, instead they are redesigning the STFs...again...joy.
Nah, they'll just re-run them. The gift that gives on giving.
If they are smart, they won't make any ships better than the Bug (and the Galor is pretty snazzy too), so they can recycle the lock-boxes.
If bugs are left to stagnate then the amount of bugs pile on and the older bugged code is relied by newer code and can break the new code so doing bug fixing all the time helps keep the backlog of bugs down and makes the code cleaner for the dev team working on the fresh new content that attracts new customers.
All in all they need to fix old and new bugs regardless of the bug type instead of just exploits. Ignore the PvP players who scream nerf everytime something new comes out so real bugs can be worked on. Last they need the vast majority of employees working on new content. All that would improve the game and bring new customers in and old ones back.
"I'm drunk, whats your excuse for being an idiot?" - Unknown drunk man. :eek:
i came here for cryptic story not player made
system Lord Baal is dead
This game has so much potential and it IMO has not even come close to reaching its potential. Their are still actual Star Trek stuff missing like the K'Vort Class Bird of Prey for example. Crappy crafting. Many missions that don't reward Dilithium and as such are not worth replaying once you got everything you want out of the reputation system they belong to. Ground missions that are not played nearly as much as Space missions and a good part of that is because of crappy loot rewards compared to Space missions. Becoming more and more alt character unfriendly.
Eventually the people that play this because of it being a STAR TREK game will just grow tired of it because of how poorly it is handled.
that may well be, but you can't deny there are some pretty awesome things created by players that give the stock missions a run for their money.
I find myself running foundry missions more often than not as of late since I've played the cryptic ones many times over, some of the foundries are pretty dang incredible .
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