"1. NO ABUSIVE BEHAVIOUR, ARGUING, GRIEFING, MOANING OR HEAVY TROLLING"
"CHAT IS ALLOWED ON CHANNEL BUT KEEP IT LIGHT (REFER TO RULE 1)"
"After that everything goes.... within reason..."
Hypothetical - say we played CSE together.
you failed at guarding kang for whatever reason
I then start whining in open chat "OMGWTF WHY ARE YOU SO TEH SUCK?! YOU COST ME 15 MARKS!" and things of the sort
I get a warning or a mute
from there, common sense applies.
- Having a debate on US foreign policy would not be considered light conversation.
- talking about what you saw a woman doing with a dog one time, not appropriate.
- being racist, GTFO
if you have any further questions, I'd recommend asking a channel op directly.
oh yeah, since you asked...
"Operators DO have the ability to mute users and issue strikes but will only do so for good reason as detailed in the strike policy."
So you may want to ask astarte directly for clarification, since she is one of those who actually enforces the rules now (I am not). you know where to find her. Don't worry, she's not shy.
Edit: NINJA'd by Reuben!
If political conversation isn't light then what is light? Where are the lines drawn?
Talking about what you saw a women doing a dog isn't light, but talking about TRIBBLE stars in chat is light? Again draw lines. Preferably not crooked lines.
If political conversation isn't light then what is light? Where are the lines drawn?
Talking about what you saw a women doing a dog isn't light, but talking about TRIBBLE stars in chat is light? Again draw lines. Preferably not crooked lines.
Politics/religion are standard non-topics in most chat rooms. those are a given.
using TRIBBLE star names as a keyword for a game? fine.
discussing acts that those TRIBBLE starts did in a movie, not cool.
and yet you keep coming back? we must be doing something right... and i guess this might involve providing games with a high success rate....or else we'd all be out of a job...
If political conversation isn't light then what is light? Where are the lines drawn?
Talking about what you saw a women doing a dog isn't light, but talking about TRIBBLE stars in chat is light? Again draw lines. Preferably not crooked lines.
I agree. Do light conversations also include a debate on "which drug should I use this WE ?", and "what's best, heroin, coke, or cannabis ?". I even learn there was new kind of drugs.
Reuben is ultimately the lord of the channel, and honestly, whatever he say in the end is what happen, and I won't argue and fight about it. Without him, there would be no channel. I won't say "I'll leave", if I really feel the need to do so, I'll just do it. But I can still disagree.
I feel there is too much banter at times. I don't mind discussing about STO, or stf, but idle banter, zone chat conversations, well, that's not what I'm looking for. Sometimes, I don't like the kind of discussion, like the drugs one, I'm not prude, but honestly, I never found drugs cool. They destroy lives, a lot of them. Anyway, it's your life, if you find drugs cool, I don't care, but I don't want this kind of discussion on a videogame private chat.
Also, yes, I have difficulties to find a team when there is too much chat going on. I missed several of them recently. Not a big deal, but it still true. And I had complains when making teams from the people who joined, that they find difficult to follow the chat, and they are annoyed.
However, many of these people probably doesn't come in the forum, or rarely.
I don't like ignoring someone on a private chat. That's against the idea of a community channel. And it will ultimately makes dramas. Also, I can't ignore a chat admin. So yeah, it's more or less "enjoy the idle banter, or STFU".
Now, I'll live with it, I'll just disagree, for what it's worth. I'm almost done with my marks, so it's fine, I'll close it soon.
I agree. Do light conversations also include a debate on "which drug should I use this WE ?", and "what's best, heroin, coke, or cannabis ?". I even learn there was new kind of drugs.
Reuben is ultimately the lord of the channel, and honestly, whatever he say in the end is what happen, and I won't argue and fight about it. Without him, there would be no channel. I won't say "I'll leave", if I really feel the need to do so, I'll just do it. But I can still disagree.
I feel there is too much banter at times. I don't mind discussing about STO, or stf, but idle banter, zone chat conversations, well, that's not what I'm looking for. Sometimes, I don't like the kind of discussion, like the drugs one, I'm not prude, but honestly, I never found drugs cool. They destroy lives, a lot of them. Anyway, it's your life, if you find drugs cool, I don't care, but I don't want this kind of discussion on a videogame private chat.
Also, yes, I have difficulties to find a team when there is too much chat going on. I missed several of them recently. Not a big deal, but it still true. And I had complains when making teams from the people who joined, that they find difficult to follow the chat, and they are annoyed.
However, many of these people probably doesn't come in the forum, or rarely.
I don't like ignoring someone on a private chat. That's against the idea of a community channel. And it will ultimately makes dramas. Also, I can't ignore a chat admin. So yeah, it's more or less "enjoy the idle banter, or STFU".
Now, I'll live with it, I'll just disagree, for what it's worth. I'm almost done with my marks, so it's fine, I'll close it soon.
^ that would be a time where you would take screenshots and send them to Reuben. failing that I'm not sure what you expect him to do about it.
also, you refer to PESTF as a private chat. it's a public channel.
I didn't. And what would it do ? The person that started this topic of discussion is a chan admin anyway.
We do deal with these cases as we receive them... if you feel a player is being abusive on channel contact my self or an admin to deal with it...
as far as what is acceptable chat, I cant write a list of 14+ rules defining what you can and cant talk about... common sense is involved and is an admins prerogative to decide whats acceptable and whats not any given time. if you feel something is inappropriate approach an admin to deal. we cant fix what we dont know about.
to avoid myself going round in circles... and since the OP's issues have been addressed and action taken, can I request the thread is closed, before it decends into a general rage/flame thread. I could answer this stuff all day but quite frankly my sims just had a second set of triplets and I have IRL stuff to do so im bowing out of the discussion.
Someone is forming a team. Everyone else shuts up until lead closes out join requests.
Something new is going on. Folks want to chatter. Cool, until (1)
Folks want to rant, rave, foam at the mouth. Venting is cool. Until (1), (2), and (4)
"Many" folks step in, ask rabies face to go away for a bit, see you next log in.
Mod waves big stick about. Shut up. Agree. Log off, have a refreshing lemonade, go away. Realize being told to go away is actually Good For You.
I say this as someone who has modded since well before FidoNet.
The Channel-Which-Shall-Not-Be-Named is a perfect example of reasonable people who are now completely bonkers. I loved leaving that channel. When even character names cause a stink you know you are in the wrong place.
I genuinely considered leaving the game until I found PESTF.
PESTF is the right place. It's the Cheers bar. You can be you until you really cause a ruckus. The Other Channel looks for reasons to be pissy - they want to dig into your pants and then ban you.
I don't think anyone wants PESTF to wind up that way.
and yet you keep coming back? we must be doing something right... and i guess this might involve providing games with a high success rate....or else we'd all be out of a job...
Oh I don't use that channel when I play stfs. But my ship does so much damage I could backpack a pug with optionals. However I'd much rather play with people who pull their weight.
We do deal with these cases as we receive them... if you feel a player is being abusive on channel contact my self or an admin to deal with it...
as far as what is acceptable chat, I cant write a list of 14+ rules defining what you can and cant talk about... common sense is involved and is an admins prerogative to decide whats acceptable and whats not any given time. if you feel something is inappropriate approach an admin to deal. we cant fix what we dont know about.
I was not asking for a sanction. It's just my word anyway, and I don't ask you to beleive it. I care enough to talk about it, but not enough to make screenshots, send them to you etc...
And as I say, it's an admin anyway. So you would be the only one able to handle it. I was just asking if talking about drugs was considered as a light conversation.
I was just asking if talking about drugs was considered as a light conversation.
I don't know the situation. I don't know you.
You might be right.
But this is not a game for children. The game publisher is very transparent and up front about this. Any one bringing children into this product does that at their own responsibility.
That leaves adult responsibilities. I frankly don't care about topics as long as the game publisher has cleared that road for me.
But this is not a game for children. The game publisher is very transparent and up front about this. Any one bringing children into this product does that at their own responsibility.
That leaves adult responsibilities. I frankly don't care about topics as long as the game publisher has cleared that road for me.
I only care per the five points above.
Edit: grammar is hard and whotnot
The game is rated T for Teen. 13-17 are teens and children at the same time.
The game is rated T for Teen. 13-17 are teens and children at the same time.
That's not the point. Drugs are illegal. No matter if you live in USA, Europe, are 13yo or 77. While some are legal in some countries, that's not true for all kind of drugs.
Ultimately, I suppose it's the channel creator that decide what's authorized an what's not. I was just asking if drugs talk was authorized, as it's pretty shaddy to me, and not what I call a light conversation.
You know this handle very well, it's the "certain female player" that you all love and loathe so very much.
So um, what I don't get is, why people don't get that PublicEliteSTF was created to be the opposite of EliteSTF. Essentially, we are the Romulus to EliteSTF's Vulcan. Which means yes, we can talk about "off-topic" subjects. For those who cannot get matches going because of this chat, it's not my fault your eyes can't track the chat fast enough to pick out your own invite words. Maybe get bigger ones than CLU and xx and Armek, you know, something that jumps out at you? Because I can have an in-depth discussion in three different channels and still form, and launch a match.
-inb4 'wat, u can still get games goin?'- Indeed, contrary to popular belief, not everyone hates Astarte.
Regardless, as Zyro said, he can't ban free will. I exercise that free will every time I become the embodiment of the other side of life that so many of you refuse to realize - that which lies away from your computer. You know, that one place....ehm....what's it called....OH! "Outside". And I do so every time I bring up something that isn't STF- or even Star Trek-related.
Also, MMO = Massively Multiplayer Online = Multiplayer = Other people = Chatting with other people = YES, PESTF IS A CHAT ROOM. It's been a chat room since the very moment it was created. Hence why it's a room you can chat into. And I chat about whatever I feel like. God forbid there be more to my life than STFs, and God forbid I don't care if you cannot say the same.
Those of you who do not like it, or me, that's what the ignore button is for. Why so few of you use it, I don't know. Why so few of you use it only after a two-hour rage session - thereby adding to the very channel disruption you're all complaining about - I don't know. Why so few of you have twisted logic: "I refuse to block Astarte because that's what she wants, and I'm not going to give in to her expectations, so I'm just going to make thinly-veiled jabs at her whenever someone brings her up", I don't know.
But either way, the pro-Astarte faction is just as stubborn as the anti-Astarte group. Haters make me famous, and I love each and every one of you for it. But neither side is going anywhere, especially not me. You don't fire your resident celebrity, you see. So, as always, either pipe down and deal with me, or put me on your ignore list, then pipe down.
Regardless, there's still some piping down to be done.
Thanks, lovelies! See you all in chat!
Another "gurl gamer" ruining it for the rest of us.
Face it, you're just an attention wh***. If you weren't, you wouldn't have turned an LFG channel into your own personal playground.
I recommend making an "Astarte is effin' awesome" channel and get your desperate little virginal zombies to join you there instead.
♪ I'm going around not in circles but in spirographs.
It's pretty much this hard to keep just one timeline intact. ♪
That's not the point. Drugs are illegal. No matter if you live in USA, Europe, are 13yo or 77. While some are legal in some countries, that's not true for all kind of drugs.
Look, unless the discussion runs into some sort of "meet me here", "here is who to call", "here is how to make/grow it"...
... Then it is no different than objectionable politics, objectionable religion, objectionable - sheesh just think it through.
Look, unless the discussion runs into some sort of "meet me here", "here is who to call", "here is how to make/grow it"...
... Then it is no different than objectionable politics, objectionable religion, objectionable - sheesh just think it through.
Welcome to massively online chat rooms...
It was "what kind of drugs is the best", and "this do that effect", also price range etc... So yeah, it was not about selling it per say, but it was about which one is cool. There was also the part on how to use it (drink alcohol with it or not etc...), I don't remember exactly, as drug is not the kind of things I enjoy.
Basically what you say is "it's fine to say which drug is more interesting and how to use it", IE promoting it, but it's not when you try to sell it. Pretty shaddy line if you ask me. Anyway, that's answer my question, drugs and illegal things are fine, as long as we don't try to sell it.
I'm sorry if I feel it's more the kind of debate I expect from zone chat, and less from an stf chat. I mean, what's the point of calling it "publicelitestf", when the intended goal is to have a free chat with few limitations. Why not calling it "public chatroom" or something like that instead, it would be more appropriate.
There is a forum topic about it. Several talk/day about it ingame, and complain. I think it shows some people (at least) think the channel would be better with less (doesn't mean not at all) zone chat and more stf.
Anyway, Reuben says it's fine, and Reuben is the master of the channel, so we can either live with it, or GTFO.
had i been around for this type of talk i would have moved it along...
its down to each admin on at the time to deem whats light and whats not...
as mentioned, the channel is also responsible for self regulating ( hence the changes as a result of this thread) so if theres something on channel like the incident you mention... contact myself or an admin..
if looking for less chat and more STF's... then make more STF's... they dont create themselves... if theres a lack of games its cause everyones waiting on someone else... you want a game thats not running atm...its on your own back to make one.... dont let chat stop you... it doesnt prevent you from opening up the PVE window and creating one....
if you have any further questions, I'd recommend asking a channel op directly.
So you may want to ask astarte directly for clarification, since she is one of those who actually enforces the rules now (I am not). you know where to find her. Don't worry, she's not shy.
Edit: re-inserted
I see 2 problems with this.... 1) she is on my ignore list 2) Im on her ignore list :eek:
As one of the newest Operators for this channel, everyone knows that any channel open to the public is going to have things stirred up at times. But with the new Operators now in the field on things, I can definitely say things will improve much. Not that PESTF channel was ever.. in my eyes in a bad spot. Sure granted there were a few instances of drama but again its public and its bound to happen.
The channel has been ongoing for heck of along time and with the success rate it has for STF's, its definitely a great channel to use. Now if people don't like a certain Operator that's on their self, and they'll have to deal with it. But at least be mature about it. If you don't like the person don't try to start something with them. Pretty common sense.. no?
In the end this is a great channel and will continue to be a great channel and with wild allowing more Operators and New admins helping this fine channel it'll only get better. And well if you really hate it so much.. just go back to the public que
This is but a small fraction of the amount of rage that's occurring, trying actually using the channel before commenting and you would have noticed that its the amount of fighting and arguing that is of serious concern. If your answer is for those to simply GTFO or get a life, well that's no solution. Thankfully Wildchild8 takes this issue seriously and for that I give him a big 2 thumbs up!!
you gave me two thumbs up in your first post after i announced it... you're a contradiction my friend.... if you're not going to keep up with conversation and make informed posts (or at least remember your own stance) then I'm afraid its very hard to take your point of view seriously anymore...
I took on more admins to ensure that fights and arguements dont break out and to enforce our already established channel rules as was your original request in your first post of this very thread.... (which i agreed with,our moderation had become slack for the reasons already explained many posts ago)
whats the problem?
oh i get it.... even in your very first post you say the channel has topics of non interest( to you) I'm sorry fella we're a big channel... we cant be expected to tailor the channel to each and every members chat sensibilities....
From the Rules:
"After that everything goes.... within reason... so I ask that you respect that for the good of the channel and your own games"
this would be in direct violation of the very rules you originally requested be enforced... ie chat is allowed...
this work both ways.... when you join the channel you should already be aware that chat is open to many topics. you must respect this... if something is not to your liking... im sure something you may chat about is not to someone's else's liking... so where I draw a line? start muting everyone everytime someone complains about someone else?
topics that are not "within reason" or people discussing more messed up stuff are dealt with by admins.... and shall be again now we have a moderation back up and running properly....
so which do you want? chat comes in many forms... its all or nothing... our moderation team is in place to deal with fights arguements and to enforce the rules... which they currently are now doing again....
if the answer is nothing ie no chat... then we remind you, you have a choice to use other channels. while we prefered if you stayed, our channels subs have always been important to us, but we must also accept that we can't please everyone... im sure many have come on channel decided its not for them and gone elsewhere... but im also confident many have come on channel and stayed... and embrace/enjoy the chat... those that dont enjoy the chat don't get involved in it but accept its part of the channel and continue on their happy way forming groups... otherwise im unsure how we hit 4.5k subs... chat is not a new thing on PESTF.... if all comes to all you also have a choice to establish a new channel yourself if you would like to run things your way.... dont let anybody tell you you cant (many said PESTF could not be done) and i wish anyone who decides to do so all the best of luck.
thanks for bringing the matter to our attention
as always we would like to thank all the members for their ongoing support and for making the channel what it is.
I see 2 problems with this.... 1) she is on my ignore list 2) Im on her ignore list
Then if you don't mind me asking, what's your problem?
You're really complaining that someone you have on ignore is still talking?
What is it to you if you don't even see it anymore?
*LULZ*
my previous get a life comment was not specifically directed at you, but I think at this point it applies. good day sir.
applications for admins are now open....
FYI... astarte need not apply....
APPLICATIONS CLOSED
your calling me a contradiction? seriously... wow just wow, I thought I was asking some basic questions like what is light conversation cuz that seemed bit confusing to me and few others if you noticed some the threads. I never knew politics was hot topic for example, seen it many times in esd and never knew it was frowned upon in the channel, thanks for clearing that up. other issued I raised was what if don't want deal with astarde(ignore list comment) who else can we speak with, ty mr Locutisofborg for introducing yourself, a name will try to remember. basic questions that only need a basic answer but for some reason you n your buddy vagius,(the man with 1 answer to every question, STFU or GTFO, we got your opinion already so take your own advice n STFU and GTFO and lets hear from someone else), seem to have vendetta for me raising the question, WTF is going on in channel cuz things just seem to be going for a total loop as of late and your picking the biggest drama queen and the source of most this conflict for OP just seems to raise more questions but if you don't want to deal with it then take vaguis advice and eventually the thread will die off. its nice tho that you are taking the time to clear up a lot these issues cuz your really the only that can do anything bout it but if you want to make me the bad guy well then that's your choice but this is my thread like its your channel, take it or leave it! :cool:
for those of you that still don't understand what this thread is for let me spell it out for you as clear as I can.. player conduct .. PLAYER CONDUCT .. P L A Y E R C O N D U C T its not to single out people or point fingers, its not to see the banning of chat, its not about me finding a team. this is for everyone to see with their own eyes in plain black and white what is considered tolerable and accepted in the channel. This is how its run, this is how it will be run and this is how it will continue to run. you either love it or hate it. hopefully this thread will put a lot of conflict to rest even if the admins decide to leave us again. have to admit, I've actually learned a few things from this thread and hopefully a few others have as well.
Well it is sad that the PESTF channel has become damn near like the doffjobs channel. Yes you can still get stf's pretty quick but when you have several of the regulars in there unable to stop chatting just so they can feel like someone cares it is annoying. And yes, my ignore list grows in leaps and bounds on a daily basis. But why should it have to? Take that garbage to doffjobs (which is a hopeless channel for the most part anymore) or start a New Drozana Station channel where the blabber-mouth's and trolls used to be. Or, better yet, go to ESD zone chat and you'll get all the mind-numbing, senseless, trolling, moronic chat you can ever want.
Leave the PESTF channel for just that. People wanting STF's.
You cannot talk about moronic if you think DOFFJOBS and PESTF are hopeless channels. Why don't you do us a favour and uninstall the game? These are some of the most valuable channels around.
You know it's funny, I've never struggled to join or recruit for STF's from PESTF, despite all this 'distracting' conversation.
The great thing about STO is that anyone can create a channel. If you don't like a particular channel.. unsubscribe... form your own channel, with your own rules... and attract others to it. Or join an already existing channel that has the same goals as you.
I belong to many channels (3 or 4 STF channels, 3 NWS Channels, 2 PvP, and a few misc)... and sometimes I shut them off (if I'm not actively looking for an STF, I don't monitor the STF channels, same for PvP, and NWS). If a particular channel is getting overly chatty for my taste, I stop monitoring for a while. I understand that it is not my place to police the activity of others...
Not sure why people feel the need to tell others what should and should not be allowed in a channel they didn't found. Simply move to another channel, or start one and set the rules as you would like them to be.
Honestly, I don't see the point of it. Was running some space ESTF today with fleet mate. Space ones went well ... But pugs aren't really much worse ... Especially at prime time.
In fact, we did a ground one, which is new to me, and I stunk it up. Now I am feeling super bad because I never touch ground and this is pestf. If it hadn't been a channel but another pug I would have forgotten about it already and not felt all that guilty.
Except for ground, which I dislike anyways and usually refuse to do, I don't find the need for channels. PvE is pretty rotfl stamp easy here and I will continue to pug it.
"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censored, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."
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If political conversation isn't light then what is light? Where are the lines drawn?
Talking about what you saw a women doing a dog isn't light, but talking about TRIBBLE stars in chat is light? Again draw lines. Preferably not crooked lines.
Politics/religion are standard non-topics in most chat rooms. those are a given.
using TRIBBLE star names as a keyword for a game? fine.
discussing acts that those TRIBBLE starts did in a movie, not cool.
see how it works?
Just 1 small step away from being esd zone chat, I guess that's how it works. Quality of players is probably the same too.
and yet you keep coming back? we must be doing something right... and i guess this might involve providing games with a high success rate....or else we'd all be out of a job...
www.elitedefensestarfleet.com
/channel_join PublicEliteSTF
PublicEliteSTF Channel Info: bit.ly/PublicEliteSTFV2
WE WANT A KDF BOP 3 PACK!!
getting back to what I said originally:
if you don't like the banter, GTFO
if you like ESTF so much - GTFO
if you have a prob with astarte, it's yours not hers.
This thread could probably be locked at this point.
edit: oh , and thanks for quoting me above, saved me from retyping it
Reuben is ultimately the lord of the channel, and honestly, whatever he say in the end is what happen, and I won't argue and fight about it. Without him, there would be no channel. I won't say "I'll leave", if I really feel the need to do so, I'll just do it. But I can still disagree.
I feel there is too much banter at times. I don't mind discussing about STO, or stf, but idle banter, zone chat conversations, well, that's not what I'm looking for. Sometimes, I don't like the kind of discussion, like the drugs one, I'm not prude, but honestly, I never found drugs cool. They destroy lives, a lot of them. Anyway, it's your life, if you find drugs cool, I don't care, but I don't want this kind of discussion on a videogame private chat.
Also, yes, I have difficulties to find a team when there is too much chat going on. I missed several of them recently. Not a big deal, but it still true. And I had complains when making teams from the people who joined, that they find difficult to follow the chat, and they are annoyed.
However, many of these people probably doesn't come in the forum, or rarely.
I don't like ignoring someone on a private chat. That's against the idea of a community channel. And it will ultimately makes dramas. Also, I can't ignore a chat admin. So yeah, it's more or less "enjoy the idle banter, or STFU".
Now, I'll live with it, I'll just disagree, for what it's worth. I'm almost done with my marks, so it's fine, I'll close it soon.
^ that would be a time where you would take screenshots and send them to Reuben. failing that I'm not sure what you expect him to do about it.
also, you refer to PESTF as a private chat. it's a public channel.
it is what it is.
We do deal with these cases as we receive them... if you feel a player is being abusive on channel contact my self or an admin to deal with it...
as far as what is acceptable chat, I cant write a list of 14+ rules defining what you can and cant talk about... common sense is involved and is an admins prerogative to decide whats acceptable and whats not any given time. if you feel something is inappropriate approach an admin to deal. we cant fix what we dont know about.
to avoid myself going round in circles... and since the OP's issues have been addressed and action taken, can I request the thread is closed, before it decends into a general rage/flame thread. I could answer this stuff all day but quite frankly my sims just had a second set of triplets and I have IRL stuff to do so im bowing out of the discussion.
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- Someone is forming a team. Everyone else shuts up until lead closes out join requests.
- Something new is going on. Folks want to chatter. Cool, until (1)
- Folks want to rant, rave, foam at the mouth. Venting is cool. Until (1), (2), and (4)
- "Many" folks step in, ask rabies face to go away for a bit, see you next log in.
- Mod waves big stick about. Shut up. Agree. Log off, have a refreshing lemonade, go away. Realize being told to go away is actually Good For You.
I say this as someone who has modded since well before FidoNet.The Channel-Which-Shall-Not-Be-Named is a perfect example of reasonable people who are now completely bonkers. I loved leaving that channel. When even character names cause a stink you know you are in the wrong place.
I genuinely considered leaving the game until I found PESTF.
PESTF is the right place. It's the Cheers bar. You can be you until you really cause a ruckus. The Other Channel looks for reasons to be pissy - they want to dig into your pants and then ban you.
I don't think anyone wants PESTF to wind up that way.
Oh I don't use that channel when I play stfs. But my ship does so much damage I could backpack a pug with optionals. However I'd much rather play with people who pull their weight.
And as I say, it's an admin anyway. So you would be the only one able to handle it. I was just asking if talking about drugs was considered as a light conversation.
You might be right.
But this is not a game for children. The game publisher is very transparent and up front about this. Any one bringing children into this product does that at their own responsibility.
That leaves adult responsibilities. I frankly don't care about topics as long as the game publisher has cleared that road for me.
I only care per the five points above.
Edit: grammar is hard and whotnot
The game is rated T for Teen. 13-17 are teens and children at the same time.
Ultimately, I suppose it's the channel creator that decide what's authorized an what's not. I was just asking if drugs talk was authorized, as it's pretty shaddy to me, and not what I call a light conversation.
Another "gurl gamer" ruining it for the rest of us.
Face it, you're just an attention wh***. If you weren't, you wouldn't have turned an LFG channel into your own personal playground.
I recommend making an "Astarte is effin' awesome" channel and get your desperate little virginal zombies to join you there instead.
It's pretty much this hard to keep just one timeline intact. ♪
... Then it is no different than objectionable politics, objectionable religion, objectionable - sheesh just think it through.
Welcome to massively online chat rooms...
Basically what you say is "it's fine to say which drug is more interesting and how to use it", IE promoting it, but it's not when you try to sell it. Pretty shaddy line if you ask me. Anyway, that's answer my question, drugs and illegal things are fine, as long as we don't try to sell it.
I'm sorry if I feel it's more the kind of debate I expect from zone chat, and less from an stf chat. I mean, what's the point of calling it "publicelitestf", when the intended goal is to have a free chat with few limitations. Why not calling it "public chatroom" or something like that instead, it would be more appropriate.
There is a forum topic about it. Several talk/day about it ingame, and complain. I think it shows some people (at least) think the channel would be better with less (doesn't mean not at all) zone chat and more stf.
Anyway, Reuben says it's fine, and Reuben is the master of the channel, so we can either live with it, or GTFO.
its down to each admin on at the time to deem whats light and whats not...
as mentioned, the channel is also responsible for self regulating ( hence the changes as a result of this thread) so if theres something on channel like the incident you mention... contact myself or an admin..
if looking for less chat and more STF's... then make more STF's... they dont create themselves... if theres a lack of games its cause everyones waiting on someone else... you want a game thats not running atm...its on your own back to make one.... dont let chat stop you... it doesnt prevent you from opening up the PVE window and creating one....
www.elitedefensestarfleet.com
/channel_join PublicEliteSTF
PublicEliteSTF Channel Info: bit.ly/PublicEliteSTFV2
WE WANT A KDF BOP 3 PACK!!
I see 2 problems with this.... 1) she is on my ignore list 2) Im on her ignore list :eek:
you drop this bomb shell on us then expect to bow out quietly, Im afraid its not that easy my friend :mad:
As one of the newest Operators for this channel, everyone knows that any channel open to the public is going to have things stirred up at times. But with the new Operators now in the field on things, I can definitely say things will improve much. Not that PESTF channel was ever.. in my eyes in a bad spot. Sure granted there were a few instances of drama but again its public and its bound to happen.
The channel has been ongoing for heck of along time and with the success rate it has for STF's, its definitely a great channel to use. Now if people don't like a certain Operator that's on their self, and they'll have to deal with it. But at least be mature about it. If you don't like the person don't try to start something with them. Pretty common sense.. no?
In the end this is a great channel and will continue to be a great channel and with wild allowing more Operators and New admins helping this fine channel it'll only get better. And well if you really hate it so much.. just go back to the public que
Cheers
Locutus
what bombshell? that astarte is channel op?
you gave me two thumbs up in your first post after i announced it... you're a contradiction my friend.... if you're not going to keep up with conversation and make informed posts (or at least remember your own stance) then I'm afraid its very hard to take your point of view seriously anymore...
I took on more admins to ensure that fights and arguements dont break out and to enforce our already established channel rules as was your original request in your first post of this very thread.... (which i agreed with,our moderation had become slack for the reasons already explained many posts ago)
whats the problem?
oh i get it.... even in your very first post you say the channel has topics of non interest( to you) I'm sorry fella we're a big channel... we cant be expected to tailor the channel to each and every members chat sensibilities....
From the Rules:
"After that everything goes.... within reason... so I ask that you respect that for the good of the channel and your own games"
this would be in direct violation of the very rules you originally requested be enforced... ie chat is allowed...
this work both ways.... when you join the channel you should already be aware that chat is open to many topics. you must respect this... if something is not to your liking... im sure something you may chat about is not to someone's else's liking... so where I draw a line? start muting everyone everytime someone complains about someone else?
topics that are not "within reason" or people discussing more messed up stuff are dealt with by admins.... and shall be again now we have a moderation back up and running properly....
so which do you want? chat comes in many forms... its all or nothing... our moderation team is in place to deal with fights arguements and to enforce the rules... which they currently are now doing again....
if the answer is nothing ie no chat... then we remind you, you have a choice to use other channels. while we prefered if you stayed, our channels subs have always been important to us, but we must also accept that we can't please everyone... im sure many have come on channel decided its not for them and gone elsewhere... but im also confident many have come on channel and stayed... and embrace/enjoy the chat... those that dont enjoy the chat don't get involved in it but accept its part of the channel and continue on their happy way forming groups... otherwise im unsure how we hit 4.5k subs... chat is not a new thing on PESTF.... if all comes to all you also have a choice to establish a new channel yourself if you would like to run things your way.... dont let anybody tell you you cant (many said PESTF could not be done) and i wish anyone who decides to do so all the best of luck.
thanks for bringing the matter to our attention
as always we would like to thank all the members for their ongoing support and for making the channel what it is.
www.elitedefensestarfleet.com
/channel_join PublicEliteSTF
PublicEliteSTF Channel Info: bit.ly/PublicEliteSTFV2
WE WANT A KDF BOP 3 PACK!!
Then if you don't mind me asking, what's your problem?
You're really complaining that someone you have on ignore is still talking?
What is it to you if you don't even see it anymore?
*LULZ*
my previous get a life comment was not specifically directed at you, but I think at this point it applies. good day sir.
your calling me a contradiction? seriously... wow just wow, I thought I was asking some basic questions like what is light conversation cuz that seemed bit confusing to me and few others if you noticed some the threads. I never knew politics was hot topic for example, seen it many times in esd and never knew it was frowned upon in the channel, thanks for clearing that up. other issued I raised was what if don't want deal with astarde(ignore list comment) who else can we speak with, ty mr Locutisofborg for introducing yourself, a name will try to remember. basic questions that only need a basic answer but for some reason you n your buddy vagius,(the man with 1 answer to every question, STFU or GTFO, we got your opinion already so take your own advice n STFU and GTFO and lets hear from someone else), seem to have vendetta for me raising the question, WTF is going on in channel cuz things just seem to be going for a total loop as of late and your picking the biggest drama queen and the source of most this conflict for OP just seems to raise more questions but if you don't want to deal with it then take vaguis advice and eventually the thread will die off. its nice tho that you are taking the time to clear up a lot these issues cuz your really the only that can do anything bout it but if you want to make me the bad guy well then that's your choice but this is my thread like its your channel, take it or leave it! :cool:
You cannot talk about moronic if you think DOFFJOBS and PESTF are hopeless channels. Why don't you do us a favour and uninstall the game? These are some of the most valuable channels around.
You know it's funny, I've never struggled to join or recruit for STF's from PESTF, despite all this 'distracting' conversation.
Valdus | Charn | Costello | Typhus | Thyran
The great thing about STO is that anyone can create a channel. If you don't like a particular channel.. unsubscribe... form your own channel, with your own rules... and attract others to it. Or join an already existing channel that has the same goals as you.
I belong to many channels (3 or 4 STF channels, 3 NWS Channels, 2 PvP, and a few misc)... and sometimes I shut them off (if I'm not actively looking for an STF, I don't monitor the STF channels, same for PvP, and NWS). If a particular channel is getting overly chatty for my taste, I stop monitoring for a while. I understand that it is not my place to police the activity of others...
Not sure why people feel the need to tell others what should and should not be allowed in a channel they didn't found. Simply move to another channel, or start one and set the rules as you would like them to be.
Star Trek Online, Now with out the Trek....
In fact, we did a ground one, which is new to me, and I stunk it up. Now I am feeling super bad because I never touch ground and this is pestf. If it hadn't been a channel but another pug I would have forgotten about it already and not felt all that guilty.
Except for ground, which I dislike anyways and usually refuse to do, I don't find the need for channels. PvE is pretty rotfl stamp easy here and I will continue to pug it.
- Judge Aaron Satie