I really don't get the name calling and bullying complaints I mean come on its the internet and you should be so used to that TRIBBLE that you don't even notice it anymore.
All Im saying is it use to be great channel, if you didn't type in invite faster then the other 10 ppl you had to wait for next few min for next team to form. Its just sad to see a great thing turn into an other dead channel. Agree that sometimes a run don't go according to plan and options or complete failure does happen rarely, no big deal, you make it up next round but the amount of fighting as of late should be addressed for it only leads to a poor gaming community if any at all.
For the most part the channel is quick to respond and you remember the good organisers and players so if you're one of them you get invites and people jumping to get in your game very often.
I would personally like the named people to perhaps be a little bit more concious of their chat while shout outs for games are going on though. I don't mind seeing chat in there but when it's 4-7 lines of chat from several people while 3 or 4 groups are trying to form it just makes it a fustercluck. So if they could perhaps lay off the chat for a min when they see more than 2 call outs for games it would be appreciated and might even help them in the long run.
Well it is sad that the PESTF channel has become damn near like the doffjobs channel. Yes you can still get stf's pretty quick but when you have several of the regulars in there unable to stop chatting just so they can feel like someone cares it is annoying. And yes, my ignore list grows in leaps and bounds on a daily basis. But why should it have to? Take that garbage to doffjobs (which is a hopeless channel for the most part anymore) or start a New Drozana Station channel where the blabber-mouth's and trolls used to be. Or, better yet, go to ESD zone chat and you'll get all the mind-numbing, senseless, trolling, moronic chat you can ever want.
Leave the PESTF channel for just that. People wanting STF's.
as per the channel rules chat is allowed.... if you're looking for a game.... announce with LFM + your invite... if theres no game running create one... they dont create themselves im afraid... the channel relies on people to create games... they dont appear out of no where. if chat is active. USE CAPS... spam your invite... thats how its done. we're grinding stfs people the chat can help break the tedium.
personally, forget im channel owner i use the channel myself, while i love dps5k etc still sometimes its quicker getting a game on PESTF. its a numbers game.
the more number of people we have on the more chance of chat, so its always gunna be busy and bustling... THATS THE IDEA...
I've never missed an invite cause of chat.... and remember i have NO ONE on ignore (i mute =D ) so I see it all... plus im watching 17 other channels all in the one 4 inch box...
so I'm afraid reports of over zealous chat being a hinderence to seeing games... is a mute point (see what i did there ) I'm more inclinded to believe people hanging around waiting on others to create and then have a bit of a moan when theres none...
as for astarte.... sigh... lols. as our resident friendly neighbourhood troll she's/he's part of the wood work at this stage... muting astarte would be kinda like muting zyro(i kick him often enough but he always finds his way back in...) or sharpe.
and as trolls go she's realatively tame... as ever if someone is not to your taste we highly recommend the IGNORE button.... I'm not about to start muting people on the back of a witch hunt or just cause its made it to the forums.... where does the buck stop...muting these days is permamute cause of the mute bug... so I'm reserving it on a public channel for the real bad guys.
shes not abusive on channel... what happens in pm's is between you guys and the GM.
as with any member of the channel if however you do encounter seriously abusive players mail link shortened screens to @wildchild8 and it gets handled. and by serious abuse i mean racism homeophobia, big arguements or blow ups. petty banter and chat does not a muteable offence make... such is life, if someones not to your taste ignore them. its silly not ignoring them if you're not a fan... kinda like a self inflicted game of "stop hitting yourself"
now let that be that... here endth the lesson
PS without getting into the ESTF debate... someone else mentioned earlier and I resonate the point, the two channels are run different... but both equaly as good, different strokes for different folks... I used ESTF myself extensively till it was run into the ground and i wish it all the best in its recovery if its not too late. Quality wise we the same... guys pool from both channels... and the fact the big dps guys and PVP run in PESTF maybe gives us the edge (with big dps comes big ego's, and we all know the OPVPers are loooooong kicked from ESTF lols)
Awww, Reuben
So um. Why's this post still going on? It pretty much boils down to...
1. Chat is allowed
2. Astarte, and all her ilk, stay
3. Games still launch
4. If you don't like it, use the ignore button, or
4. Gee Tee Eff Ohh.
I mean, seriously. People act like, if I logged on and said "What's everyone doing this weekend?" all Hell would break loose. People's computers would explode. Monitors would short out, it'd be the Y2K bug all over again. Unfortunately, that's false.
As I said, I can have an in-depth conversation, in multiple channels, and still fill, and launch, a match. It's beyond me why so many people can't say the same. I mean, maybe people can't follow chat scrolling that fast, or they're so into STFs and grinding that they treat STO like a job more than a game, or maybe they're so bitter and damaged that they don't want anyone else to have a good time. Who knows? Regardless, off-topic chatter is not as horrible as it's made out to be.
To the pro-Astarte supporters, I thank you for said support, and for having the common sense and realism to see that our chatter isn't the scourge that it's portrayed as. And I shall endeavor to run many, many more matches with adult actress codewords, so that we may all benefit from boons of dil, mark, and loot. Our conversations will range from formal and nerdy, to lewd and racy. And you know what? That's exactly how we like it.
To the anti-Astarte haters, thank you, too, for making me famous/notorious. But really, the question I've asked about 80% of you, at some point, still stands:
I love doffjobs.... always the place to go for game info. its a general chat channel these days yes but a very good one, its nice to hang out in an rarely aggro... guys train my boffs all the time and
regards chat... chat will always be allowed... we're an stf channel and there will always be games (once you make 'em) but fighting and general drama however won't be standing much longer.
That's the news watch the weather... theres a storm a coming....
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Yep, allright, I lied on that first line.
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When the mods and operators were dumb enough to think that the greeting words in various languages that I used as buzzwords were slang names for drugs, that's when I knew I had to get out.
That, and the flood of manchildren who don't know (and don't seem to want to know) how to run the matches in the most effective manner.
No, my fleet is fine now. Might be a wee bit slower to get a game going but people are a lot more friendly, a lot more capable and most importantly of all they are a hell of a lot more willing to learn.
Doff jobs? Again, not going back there. Having people pay others to report you for spam simply because they didn't like something you said is not a symptom of a decent place!
it boils down to this: PESTF is a public channel. Anyone can join, so there will be idle banter, there will be the odd idiot blowing an optional. It's part of what makes PESTF what it is. anyone can join, talk about their build, ask stupid questions, say how much they hate JJ trek, and talk about the colour of the gum on the bottom of their shoe.
I will admit to turning off the channel when the banter gets a bit too much for me, but that's why I have a few channels I can find games in. Some of you may have joined other channels through this one, like dps5/11k. Some of you are advocating ESTF, though I never liked it myself. When it boils down to it, we are all here because PESTF gets the job done faster than anywhere else, with or without banter.
It seems to me some people are just offended by astarte being astarte.
Also, for those complaining about Wildchild spending more time playing in dps 5/11 - next time he runs a 5k tryout, join, or quit complaining.
TL;DR - if you don't like the banter, GTFO
if you like ESTF so much - GTFO
if you have a prob with astarte, it's yours not hers.
if you have a problem with Wildchild playing in other channels, L2P so you can too! 5k is really simple to hit
if all of the above, you need to get a life.
thanks for the post vagius... kinda summed it up i think... particularly you do have choice.
and point to note while i do run in dps5k and other channels I still group in PESTF that same reason we all do... i get games quicker. I go through the trouble ( and hard work + silencing) of having my own channel not to use it! that said the channel these days is not mine alone, its the communities... and i have to say also not astarte's personal hang out but shes not all that bad imho, its down to each individual player to decide how to use the channel, dont like chat? dont get involved just fill your game and ignore it... it'll fill through chat.
anyways to prevent this turning into a flame thread and to address the concerns and perceived issues raised i am taking action.
historically the channel has in fact always been moderated, but with a prevention is better then cure attitude to diffuse situations before they erupt with muting only reserved as a last resort (due to mute bug) for extreme cases... or continued lack of cooperation with admins. play ball with us and we'll play ball with you.
in all we have probably 16 guys perma muted that fit this bill... for a 4.5k+ channel over a year is is very low. not due to lack of moderation but due to lack of cases requiring mute. mostly people relise its easy to just move along upon an admins request rather then have it escalate.
upon investigation and looking at the lay of the land... i can see recent upset may be attributable to moderation that was previously present lacking atm... due to admins absence with IRL including myself. while we encourage people to contact us with specific cases to help self regulate the channel.... we cant solve what we do not know about.
as such I will be taking on more admins to help keep things ticking over and move games along....
beware we do not take on admins on a whim. you must fit the bill and character we are looking for and can trust to adhere to the ethos and modding policies I have in place.
Failure to do so will result revoking of admin privileges. Also I will only be taking on admins I am familiar with on channel and am confident are in line with the ethos of the channel regarding general chat and have common sense on what constitutes trouble and what is idle banter. i do not want admins that will mute at the drop of a hat or are over zealous when its not required...
applications for admins are now open.... please mail @wildchild8 with your interest and I'll be in touch.... EDS guys will take precedence in the applications, but people on channel are more then welcome to apply and will be considered once I'm confident you fit the bill.
With great power (mute bug) comes great responsibility and all that....
FYI... astarte need not apply.... admins(past or present) for ESTF need not apply.
I still like to occasionally use AstarteChat, I mean the pestf channel even though I'm in those DPS channels when I don't want to wait, but can't hardly see any games advertised through all the chatter, lol.
That a person is using the names of a subset of actors and THAT is pissing someone off.
I've heard the excuse "there are kids playing this game" okay and? Pretty sure if the "kid" in question is playing this game they've already seen things they probably shouldn't have since, you know, they have the internet.
They're NAMES not graphic descriptions of what they do.
I find it hilarious that using names if these folks is horrifyingly offensive but the guy who used "LF4M ISE- Hitler" got no TRIBBLE for it at all.
I agree that the channel has strayed ridiculously off topic at times but, with the exception of off peak times I still have little to no problems finding a match and ripping the Borg a new one quite regularly.
TL;DR - if you don't like the banter, GTFO
if you like ESTF so much - GTFO
if you have a prob with astarte, it's yours not hers.
if you have a problem with Wildchild playing in other channels, L2P so you can too! 5k is really simple to hit
if all of the above, you need to get a life.
PESTF doesn't need censorship.
Quoted for truth. I have never seen a case where too much chat has prevented a successful grouping of teams for an STF.
It's still doing its job.
People are still doing their STFs. There is no problem with PublicEliteSTF; rather, it is the people who break the rules of the channel are the ones who should be booted.
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Right good news folks you can all sleep soundly....
NEW CHANNEL OPS AND AN ADMIN!! YAY!
We at PESTF would like to welcome CalmTerror@smazazel to the admin team, a fellow EDS fleet leader we're confident he'll make a welcome terrifying addition to the team.
Forum posts for channel rules have been updated to reflect this and we look forward to working with our new team members.... thankfully the majority of will never have to deal with a channel mod, but its nice to have them when needed. Abusive and excessive trolling will be dealt with accordingly.
if you have any concerns or issues please mail @wildchild8
catch you all channel and look forward to the continued smooth running of the channel!
TL;DR - if you don't like the banter, GTFO
if you like ESTF so much - GTFO
if you have a prob with astarte, it's yours not hers.
if you have a problem with Wildchild playing in other channels, L2P so you can too! 5k is really simple to hit
if all of the above, you need to get a life
This is but a small fraction of the amount of rage that's occurring, trying actually using the channel before commenting and you would have noticed that its the amount of fighting and arguing that is of serious concern. If your answer is for those to simply GTFO or get a life, well that's no solution. Thankfully Wildchild8 takes this issue seriously and for that I give him a big 2 thumbs up!!
This is but a small fraction of the amount of rage that's occurring, trying actually using the channel before commenting and you would have noticed that its the amount of fighting and arguing that is of serious concern. If your answer is for those to simply GTFO or get a life, well that's no solution. Thankfully Wildchild8 takes this issue seriously and for that I give him a big 2 thumbs up!!
<sigh> I'm guessing you only read the TL;DR and not any of the bits in between the two parts of my post that you quoted?
I do use the channel, I'm quite familiar with the people running it, and have played matches with many of the posters here. If the chatter gets annoying to me I take my own advice - I GTFO and use another channel.
At any rate, most of the rage has been directed towards astarte, and she's a channel op now, so I think it's really a moot point.
As a member of PublicEliteSTF, I can say that STFs are still capable of being queued with a group, and it happens very often. There are just people who decide to converse in it, myself included.
This is but a small fraction of the amount of rage that's occurring, trying actually using the channel before commenting and you would have noticed that its the amount of fighting and arguing that is of serious concern. If your answer is for those to simply GTFO or get a life, well that's no solution.
No it's not , it's a lack of management skills by the Mods .
Thankfully Wildchild8 takes this issue seriously and for that I give him a big 2 thumbs up!!
Abandoning his channel (by his own admission) and using it as a recruitment platform for other channels is not what I call "taking this issue seriously" .
I call that "I have better things to do then to deal with you" .
As a member of PublicEliteSTF, I can say that STFs are still capable of being queued with a group, and it happens very often. There are just people who decide to converse in it, myself included.
And sadly I have had to put several ppl on my ignore list just to be able to see LF4M game calls .
I see that as a sad situation as those ppl have not done anything to offend me personally , and they do not deserve to be on the ignore list .
Yet there they are ... , thanks to the "do whatever the ***k you want , we don't care" management policy .
See , the PESTF Mod's may hate ESTF ... , but their response has been to go overboard in the other direction .
And going overboard is not 'winning' ... , instead it's turning your channel into a variation of ESD/DS9 zone chat .
And ppl LOVE them chats ... .
also I actually do GTFO, there are certain hours I don't even bother with using the channel. Since I have your attention, then please tell me what YOU think qualifies as " light conversation" as stated in the channel rules. someone that talks off the top of their head for an hour or hours in some cases, doesn't really seem like light conversation to me.
No it's not , it's a lack of management skills by the Mods .
Current management of the channel is inline with how it has always been, and is directly related to the ongoing popularity of the channel. We wouldn't be here if our policy's were broken all this time....
Abandoning his channel (by his own admission) and using it as a recruitment platform for other channels is not what I call "taking this issue seriously" .
I call that "I have better things to do then to deal with you" .
By my own admission? Keep up good sir, i clearly pointed out that while I run games in DPS5K I continue to run games in PESTF for the simple fact there is more volume on PESTF and I can fill games quicker more regularly. I didnt go through all the hard work and effort of setting up my own channel not to use it...
The relationship between DPS5k and PESTF has proven a positive one (hence i recruit for DPS5k). DPS5k and 11k members regularly run in PESTF and provide valued advice on upping DPS. those with an interest in running big dps builds or improving their build have had great success doing so upon joining DPS5k, this in turn benefits PESTF as players will run in both channels due to necessity (more games in PESTF). Faster games for all!
I see that as a sad situation as those ppl have not done anything to offend me personally , and they do not deserve to be on the ignore list .
Yet there they are ... , thanks to the "do whatever the ***k you want , we don't care" management policy .
If people do not deserve to be on your ignore list... then dont ignore them... I'm not here to wrestle with your own sense of right or wrong, or to stop people from chatting just so your conscious is clear because you don't wanna deal with it yourself (by adding to ignore if chat is not to your taste) to be honest the comment is kind of in direct contradiction of itself....
"i havent been offended, yet i dont want them to chat, so i want a admin take on a "we care policy" to mute them so i dont have to deal with my own conscious because i feel bad ignoring them."
Let me clear your conscious... its OK to ignore them.... and a much lesser evil then to look for me or my admins to mute these people altogether... FYI, thats my version of the "we care" management policy.
we do not have a do whatever you want dont care attitude.... but it is clearly stated and major positive of the channel over others that chat is allowed.... that chat is moderated, any fights and/or abusive behaviour is dealt with accordingly. the recent issues as noted by the OP have been a result of admins having IRL to take care off and as a result I have recruited a new batch to solve the problem and return the channel to normal running.
See , the PESTF Mod's may hate ESTF ... , but their response has been to go overboard in the other direction .
I dont see your point here, but might be related to one above... chat is allowed on channel and sets us apart from ESTF... this chat is however moderated as noted above.
LMFAO are you kidding me? a channel op? although to be honest, have no clue what that means or entitles but sure don't like the sound of it.
The decision to give op status to astarte was made to finally quell the issue of people raising arguements over people chatting on channel. On many occasions people try telling others to stop chatting (has happened to myself and many others) in turn creating arguements. People are well within their rights(and rules) to chat on channel. chat on channel does not prevent games from filling as has been agreed by yourself.
Astarte has always been a big advocate of our chat policy and has been in channel for a very long time. She in essence personifies our chat policy. Her chat is light and generally game related, when not its simple banter. If astarte was not chatting on channel someone else would, and again the issue of people giving out about chat would remain. Making her channel OP to settle/avoid these arguements was a natural choice.
Plus her talents make her an excellent troll tamer... and it takes a troll to troll a troll. Hence why myself and Zyro are about also. We fight the good fight so you dont have to... as noted in the channel rules its best to not engage with trolls, inform a channel op of your concerns and let a channel op handle it.... attempting to deal with it yourself made lead to arguements developing on channel and you yourself getting into trouble and/or muted or striked.
Since I have your attention, then please tell me what YOU think qualifies as " light conversation" as stated in the channel rules. someone that talks off the top of their head for an hour or hours in some cases, doesn't really seem like light conversation to me.
Light conversation is defined as general chat and banter. IE not being abusive or fighting. after that anything goes. the light refers to the tone of the chat not the volume... what tone is a light tone? this is subjective hence we have a range of admins with difference sensibilities. It'll be down to individual admins to define what is light and what is not and deal with accordingly on a case by case basis.
I hope this clarifys your concerns. The channel will continue to be run inline with the policies that it always has. and we're confident the new additions to our admin team will help cover the moderation gap that existed the last 2 weeks and return the channel to normal smooth running service.
"1. NO ABUSIVE BEHAVIOUR, ARGUING, GRIEFING, MOANING OR HEAVY TROLLING"
"CHAT IS ALLOWED ON CHANNEL BUT KEEP IT LIGHT (REFER TO RULE 1)"
"After that everything goes.... within reason..."
Hypothetical - say we played CSE together.
you failed at guarding kang for whatever reason
I then start whining in open chat "OMGWTF WHY ARE YOU SO TEH SUCK?! YOU COST ME 15 MARKS!" and things of the sort
I get a warning or a mute
from there, common sense applies.
- Having a debate on US foreign policy would not be considered light conversation.
- talking about what you saw a woman doing with a dog one time, not appropriate.
- being racist, GTFO
if you have any further questions, I'd recommend asking a channel op directly.
oh yeah, since you asked...
"Operators DO have the ability to mute users and issue strikes but will only do so for good reason as detailed in the strike policy."
So you may want to ask astarte directly for clarification, since she is one of those who actually enforces the rules now (I am not). you know where to find her. Don't worry, she's not shy.
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I would personally like the named people to perhaps be a little bit more concious of their chat while shout outs for games are going on though. I don't mind seeing chat in there but when it's 4-7 lines of chat from several people while 3 or 4 groups are trying to form it just makes it a fustercluck. So if they could perhaps lay off the chat for a min when they see more than 2 call outs for games it would be appreciated and might even help them in the long run.
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A master with a stone is better than a novice with a sword.
Has damage got out of control?
This is the last thing I will post.
bit of an over exaggeration especially if the point being made is that the channel has to much chatter...
any how, points will be taken on board. I'm still in channel, although we have IRL as well you know.
I shall investigate fighting further and ponder on the solution. perhaps a little clearing house in order...
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Leave the PESTF channel for just that. People wanting STF's.
Awww, Reuben
So um. Why's this post still going on? It pretty much boils down to...
1. Chat is allowed
2. Astarte, and all her ilk, stay
3. Games still launch
4. If you don't like it, use the ignore button, or
4. Gee Tee Eff Ohh.
I mean, seriously. People act like, if I logged on and said "What's everyone doing this weekend?" all Hell would break loose. People's computers would explode. Monitors would short out, it'd be the Y2K bug all over again. Unfortunately, that's false.
As I said, I can have an in-depth conversation, in multiple channels, and still fill, and launch, a match. It's beyond me why so many people can't say the same. I mean, maybe people can't follow chat scrolling that fast, or they're so into STFs and grinding that they treat STO like a job more than a game, or maybe they're so bitter and damaged that they don't want anyone else to have a good time. Who knows? Regardless, off-topic chatter is not as horrible as it's made out to be.
To the pro-Astarte supporters, I thank you for said support, and for having the common sense and realism to see that our chatter isn't the scourge that it's portrayed as. And I shall endeavor to run many, many more matches with adult actress codewords, so that we may all benefit from boons of dil, mark, and loot. Our conversations will range from formal and nerdy, to lewd and racy. And you know what? That's exactly how we like it.
To the anti-Astarte haters, thank you, too, for making me famous/notorious. But really, the question I've asked about 80% of you, at some point, still stands:
"Why haven't you ignored me, again?"
regards chat... chat will always be allowed... we're an stf channel and there will always be games (once you make 'em) but fighting and general drama however won't be standing much longer.
That's the news watch the weather... theres a storm a coming....
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Yep, allright, I lied on that first line.
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When the mods and operators were dumb enough to think that the greeting words in various languages that I used as buzzwords were slang names for drugs, that's when I knew I had to get out.
That, and the flood of manchildren who don't know (and don't seem to want to know) how to run the matches in the most effective manner.
No, my fleet is fine now. Might be a wee bit slower to get a game going but people are a lot more friendly, a lot more capable and most importantly of all they are a hell of a lot more willing to learn.
Doff jobs? Again, not going back there. Having people pay others to report you for spam simply because they didn't like something you said is not a symptom of a decent place!
it boils down to this: PESTF is a public channel. Anyone can join, so there will be idle banter, there will be the odd idiot blowing an optional. It's part of what makes PESTF what it is. anyone can join, talk about their build, ask stupid questions, say how much they hate JJ trek, and talk about the colour of the gum on the bottom of their shoe.
I will admit to turning off the channel when the banter gets a bit too much for me, but that's why I have a few channels I can find games in. Some of you may have joined other channels through this one, like dps5/11k. Some of you are advocating ESTF, though I never liked it myself. When it boils down to it, we are all here because PESTF gets the job done faster than anywhere else, with or without banter.
It seems to me some people are just offended by astarte being astarte.
Also, for those complaining about Wildchild spending more time playing in dps 5/11 - next time he runs a 5k tryout, join, or quit complaining.
TL;DR - if you don't like the banter, GTFO
if you like ESTF so much - GTFO
if you have a prob with astarte, it's yours not hers.
if you have a problem with Wildchild playing in other channels, L2P so you can too! 5k is really simple to hit
if all of the above, you need to get a life.
PESTF doesn't need censorship.
If you want the freedom to be able to chat about other things as well as look for STFs, use PESTF.
If you want to only see STF groups forming and nothing else, try to get an invite to ESTF.
and point to note while i do run in dps5k and other channels I still group in PESTF that same reason we all do... i get games quicker. I go through the trouble ( and hard work + silencing) of having my own channel not to use it!
anyways to prevent this turning into a flame thread and to address the concerns and perceived issues raised i am taking action.
historically the channel has in fact always been moderated, but with a prevention is better then cure attitude to diffuse situations before they erupt with muting only reserved as a last resort (due to mute bug) for extreme cases... or continued lack of cooperation with admins. play ball with us and we'll play ball with you.
in all we have probably 16 guys perma muted that fit this bill... for a 4.5k+ channel over a year is is very low. not due to lack of moderation but due to lack of cases requiring mute. mostly people relise its easy to just move along upon an admins request rather then have it escalate.
upon investigation and looking at the lay of the land... i can see recent upset may be attributable to moderation that was previously present lacking atm... due to admins absence with IRL including myself. while we encourage people to contact us with specific cases to help self regulate the channel.... we cant solve what we do not know about.
as such I will be taking on more admins to help keep things ticking over and move games along....
beware we do not take on admins on a whim. you must fit the bill and character we are looking for and can trust to adhere to the ethos and modding policies I have in place.
Failure to do so will result revoking of admin privileges. Also I will only be taking on admins I am familiar with on channel and am confident are in line with the ethos of the channel regarding general chat and have common sense on what constitutes trouble and what is idle banter. i do not want admins that will mute at the drop of a hat or are over zealous when its not required...
applications for admins are now open.... please mail @wildchild8 with your interest and I'll be in touch.... EDS guys will take precedence in the applications, but people on channel are more then welcome to apply and will be considered once I'm confident you fit the bill.
With great power (mute bug) comes great responsibility and all that....
FYI... astarte need not apply.... admins(past or present) for ESTF need not apply.
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That a person is using the names of a subset of actors and THAT is pissing someone off.
I've heard the excuse "there are kids playing this game" okay and? Pretty sure if the "kid" in question is playing this game they've already seen things they probably shouldn't have since, you know, they have the internet.
They're NAMES not graphic descriptions of what they do.
I find it hilarious that using names if these folks is horrifyingly offensive but the guy who used "LF4M ISE- Hitler" got no TRIBBLE for it at all.
I agree that the channel has strayed ridiculously off topic at times but, with the exception of off peak times I still have little to no problems finding a match and ripping the Borg a new one quite regularly.
This threat gets funnier and funnier. xD
Quoted for truth. I have never seen a case where too much chat has prevented a successful grouping of teams for an STF.
It's still doing its job.
People are still doing their STFs.
There is no problem with PublicEliteSTF; rather, it is the people who break the rules of the channel are the ones who should be booted.
Missing the good ol' days of PvP: Legacy of Romulus to Season 9
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NEW CHANNEL OPS AND AN ADMIN!! YAY!
We at PESTF would like to welcome CalmTerror@smazazel to the admin team, a fellow EDS fleet leader we're confident he'll make a welcome terrifying addition to the team.
for our channel ops we'd like to welcome
@deniedexistence
@Hisui_Hibari
@astarte05
@xXLocutusXx
Forum posts for channel rules have been updated to reflect this and we look forward to working with our new team members.... thankfully the majority of will never have to deal with a channel mod, but its nice to have them when needed. Abusive and excessive trolling will be dealt with accordingly.
if you have any concerns or issues please mail @wildchild8
catch you all channel and look forward to the continued smooth running of the channel!
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<sigh> I'm guessing you only read the TL;DR and not any of the bits in between the two parts of my post that you quoted?
I do use the channel, I'm quite familiar with the people running it, and have played matches with many of the posters here. If the chatter gets annoying to me I take my own advice - I GTFO and use another channel.
At any rate, most of the rage has been directed towards astarte, and she's a channel op now, so I think it's really a moot point.
No it's not , it's a lack of management skills by the Mods .
Abandoning his channel (by his own admission) and using it as a recruitment platform for other channels is not what I call "taking this issue seriously" .
I call that "I have better things to do then to deal with you" .
And sadly I have had to put several ppl on my ignore list just to be able to see LF4M game calls .
I see that as a sad situation as those ppl have not done anything to offend me personally , and they do not deserve to be on the ignore list .
Yet there they are ... , thanks to the "do whatever the ***k you want , we don't care" management policy .
See , the PESTF Mod's may hate ESTF ... , but their response has been to go overboard in the other direction .
And going overboard is not 'winning' ... , instead it's turning your channel into a variation of ESD/DS9 zone chat .
And ppl LOVE them chats ... .
The bit you quoted was in response to me. I am not a mod.
just putting that out there.
LMFAO are you kidding me? a channel op? although to be honest, have no clue what that means or entitles but sure don't like the sound of it.
Current management of the channel is inline with how it has always been, and is directly related to the ongoing popularity of the channel. We wouldn't be here if our policy's were broken all this time....
By my own admission? Keep up good sir, i clearly pointed out that while I run games in DPS5K I continue to run games in PESTF for the simple fact there is more volume on PESTF and I can fill games quicker more regularly. I didnt go through all the hard work and effort of setting up my own channel not to use it...
The relationship between DPS5k and PESTF has proven a positive one (hence i recruit for DPS5k). DPS5k and 11k members regularly run in PESTF and provide valued advice on upping DPS. those with an interest in running big dps builds or improving their build have had great success doing so upon joining DPS5k, this in turn benefits PESTF as players will run in both channels due to necessity (more games in PESTF). Faster games for all!
If people do not deserve to be on your ignore list... then dont ignore them... I'm not here to wrestle with your own sense of right or wrong, or to stop people from chatting just so your conscious is clear because you don't wanna deal with it yourself (by adding to ignore if chat is not to your taste) to be honest the comment is kind of in direct contradiction of itself....
"i havent been offended, yet i dont want them to chat, so i want a admin take on a "we care policy" to mute them so i dont have to deal with my own conscious because i feel bad ignoring them."
Let me clear your conscious... its OK to ignore them.... and a much lesser evil then to look for me or my admins to mute these people altogether... FYI, thats my version of the "we care" management policy.
we do not have a do whatever you want dont care attitude.... but it is clearly stated and major positive of the channel over others that chat is allowed.... that chat is moderated, any fights and/or abusive behaviour is dealt with accordingly. the recent issues as noted by the OP have been a result of admins having IRL to take care off and as a result I have recruited a new batch to solve the problem and return the channel to normal running.
I dont see your point here, but might be related to one above... chat is allowed on channel and sets us apart from ESTF... this chat is however moderated as noted above.
The decision to give op status to astarte was made to finally quell the issue of people raising arguements over people chatting on channel. On many occasions people try telling others to stop chatting (has happened to myself and many others) in turn creating arguements. People are well within their rights(and rules) to chat on channel. chat on channel does not prevent games from filling as has been agreed by yourself.
Astarte has always been a big advocate of our chat policy and has been in channel for a very long time. She in essence personifies our chat policy. Her chat is light and generally game related, when not its simple banter. If astarte was not chatting on channel someone else would, and again the issue of people giving out about chat would remain. Making her channel OP to settle/avoid these arguements was a natural choice.
Plus her talents make her an excellent troll tamer... and it takes a troll to troll a troll. Hence why myself and Zyro are about also. We fight the good fight so you dont have to... as noted in the channel rules its best to not engage with trolls, inform a channel op of your concerns and let a channel op handle it.... attempting to deal with it yourself made lead to arguements developing on channel and you yourself getting into trouble and/or muted or striked.
Light conversation is defined as general chat and banter. IE not being abusive or fighting. after that anything goes. the light refers to the tone of the chat not the volume... what tone is a light tone? this is subjective hence we have a range of admins with difference sensibilities. It'll be down to individual admins to define what is light and what is not and deal with accordingly on a case by case basis.
I hope this clarifys your concerns. The channel will continue to be run inline with the policies that it always has. and we're confident the new additions to our admin team will help cover the moderation gap that existed the last 2 weeks and return the channel to normal smooth running service.
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"1. NO ABUSIVE BEHAVIOUR, ARGUING, GRIEFING, MOANING OR HEAVY TROLLING"
"CHAT IS ALLOWED ON CHANNEL BUT KEEP IT LIGHT (REFER TO RULE 1)"
"After that everything goes.... within reason..."
Hypothetical - say we played CSE together.
you failed at guarding kang for whatever reason
I then start whining in open chat "OMGWTF WHY ARE YOU SO TEH SUCK?! YOU COST ME 15 MARKS!" and things of the sort
I get a warning or a mute
from there, common sense applies.
- Having a debate on US foreign policy would not be considered light conversation.
- talking about what you saw a woman doing with a dog one time, not appropriate.
- being racist, GTFO
if you have any further questions, I'd recommend asking a channel op directly.
oh yeah, since you asked...
"Operators DO have the ability to mute users and issue strikes but will only do so for good reason as detailed in the strike policy."
So you may want to ask astarte directly for clarification, since she is one of those who actually enforces the rules now (I am not). you know where to find her. Don't worry, she's not shy.
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