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Tholian Assembly as next faction

startrek1234567startrek1234567 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
edited August 2013 in Star Trek Online General Discussion
I know a cardassian faction is what most want, but personally i don't want another Romulan like faction.

Let me explain why I don't want it before i get started:
1. We may be forced to choose a allegiance again due to how we bombed cardassias capital and how their rebuilding I guess.
2. We will have Cardassians fighting each other. The true way is pretty much Cardassias Tal'Shiar, its already painful enough seeing Romulans fighting Romulans.

Those are 2 main reasons i do not want a cardassian faction. I support playable cardassians (a playable race), but not a faction.

Let me list reasons I may want a Tholian faction:
1. No side picking.
2. No rebuilding type faction( like Romulan republic)
3. Opens up a new possibility for a Tholian home world.
4. A chance to play a non-humanoid race/faction.
5. Tholians are pretty awesome.

As to upsides there are always downsides:

1. Whos going to ally with the tholians?
2. What races other than the tholians will we play in the faction?
3. We already got 2 playable tholian ships?
4. Tholian Uniforms?

For number 3 in the downsides, this is a easy solution. Make a downgraded version of the orb weaver for the faction, same for recluse.

With those two ships, make orb weaver a "commander" vessel, and the recluse as a "RA" carrier like the vo'qov. Then make a retro of the Orb weaver(still not as good as the box one though)

List of ranks for faction:

Tholian Ensign
Tholian Lieutenant(1-10)
Tholian Lt. Commander(11-20)(until i find a more Tholian rank)
Tholian Commander(21-30)
Tholian Captain(31-40)
Assembly General/Admiral I(41-45)
Assembly General/Admiral II(45-49)
Assembly Vice Admiral/Lt.General(50)

Not sure about what ships will be for each rank.

Possible C-Store ships(added on to the Orb Weaver retro i was thinking)
1. Tholian Flagship(forgot what it was called)
2. Tholian Orb weaver retrofit
3. Tholian Mesh Weaver Retrofit.

Discuss. But i would really like to find solutions to the downsides though.
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  • captz1ppcaptz1pp Member Posts: 931 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    I think you can take #4 off your downside list, pretty sure they don't have or need uniforms, lol.
  • thecosmic1thecosmic1 Member Posts: 9,365 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    Cryptic has already stated they won't do an "evil" Faction in the game. Thus if they do Borg, it would need to be Liberated Borg, and so on. I can't imagine the Tholians having a non-evil segment that could be used in the game. And no matter what else, any future Factions would follow the Romulan plan of merging with Fed or KDF to avoid 3-way PvP.
    STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
  • startrek1234567startrek1234567 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    thecosmic1 wrote: »
    Cryptic has already stated they won't do an "evil" Faction in the game. Thus if they do Borg, it would need to be Liberated Borg, and so on. I can't imagine the Tholians having a non-evil segment that could be used in the game. And no matter what else, any future Factions would follow the Romulan plan of merging with Fed or KDF to avoid 3-way PvP.

    But do tholians have to be evil? Thats only thing i debate. I mean Klingons could be evil, I mean they decided to attack Romulans when they were weak, even though their helping now, thats something they could have not done. Klingons could can be seen as evil from feds eyes, they killed fed officers right? same vice-versa.

    I have not bothered with doing tholian rep so idk if theres a story with them like with the romulans. but so far, i dont think i have seen tholians torture people. yes, they try to take planets, but so did the klingons, they just do it in a different way.
  • daan2006daan2006 Member Posts: 5,346 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    has my vote i would love to play as something other then a..........humanoid
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    macronius wrote: »
    This! Their ability to outdo their own failures is quite impressive. If only this power could be harnessed for good.
  • pyryckpyryck Member Posts: 6 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    OP - so what part of the current leveling content will the Tholian fRaction share and use to finish leveling to 50?

    Who will you choose to ally with - Fed or KDF? At what level will you be making the choice?

    IMHO, there's not going to be a completely independent and totally separate 3rd (or 4th, 5th, etc) faction introduced into STO as that would require building/making/programming an entirely different STO from the ground up. It's not going to happen because that would require new, complete leveling and end-game mission experiences. The devs would be unable to use ANY of the existing content for this new faction. Also this would take too much time, money and effort with very little chance or hope of ever recuperating the costs associated with it.

    The Romulan fRaction is the example and template by which all new fRactions will PROBABLY be designed and added into STO.

    A Cardassian fRaction could very quickly and "easily" be built up based on the template used for the Romulan fRaction. Cryptic might even be able to make some money off of it.

    Beyond the Cardassians, I personally don't see any other faction in the ST:IP being of enough fan interest for Cryptic/PWE to financially invest in the making of a fRaction.

    But this is just my .02 cents. Your mileage may vary.
  • thecosmic1thecosmic1 Member Posts: 9,365 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    startrek1234567 wrote: »
    I hate to say it, but your right, but maybe tholians as a playable species? But do tholians have to be evil? Thats only thing i debate. I mean Klingons could be evil, I mean they decided to attack Romulans when they were weak, even though their helping now, thats something they could have not done. Klingons could can be seen as evil from feds eyes, they killed fed officers right? same vice-versa.
    I don't want to get into another philosophical debate on what is evil. Suffice it to say that in war you do things that can be perceived as less then good and leave it at that. The Klingons, as a species, are aggressive, but that doesn't make them evil. We've seen plenty of instances with Klingons doing good things and helping. We've never seen anything other then hostility and massive aggression from the Tholians. The Tholian mentality is completely different from humanoid and so there doesn't seem to be any common basis for anything but hostility in canon.

    I honestly think we'd see a Horta playable species before a Tholian.
    STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
  • startrek1234567startrek1234567 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    pyryck wrote: »
    OP - so what part of the current leveling content will the Tholian fRaction share and use to finish leveling to 50?

    Who will you choose to ally with - Fed or KDF? At what level will you be making the choice?

    IMHO, there's not going to be a completely independent and totally separate 3rd (or 4th, 5th, etc) faction introduced into STO as that would require building/making/programming an entirely different STO from the ground up. It's not going to happen because that would require new, complete leveling and end-game mission experiences. The devs would be unable to use ANY of the existing content for this new faction. Also this would take too much time, money and effort with very little chance or hope of ever recuperating the costs associated with it.

    The Romulan fRaction is the example and template by which all new fRactions will PROBABLY be designed and added into STO.

    A Cardassian fRaction could very quickly and "easily" be built up based on the template used for the Romulan fRaction. Cryptic might even be able to make some money off of it.

    Beyond the Cardassians, I personally don't see any other faction in the ST:IP being of enough fan interest for Cryptic/PWE to financially invest in the making of a fRaction.

    But this is just my .02 cents. Your mileage may vary.

    True i guess it would be hard to make. But a playable tholian would be cool
  • daan2006daan2006 Member Posts: 5,346 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    thecosmic1 wrote: »
    I honestly think we'd see a Horta playable species before a Tholian.

    god i hope not
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    macronius wrote: »
    This! Their ability to outdo their own failures is quite impressive. If only this power could be harnessed for good.
  • startrek1234567startrek1234567 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    ok i see now how a tholian faction may not be possible, but tholians as a playable species i believe is.
  • vegeta50024vegeta50024 Member Posts: 2,336 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    startrek1234567 wrote: »
    But do tholians have to be evil? Thats only thing i debate. I mean Klingons could be evil, I mean they decided to attack Romulans when they were weak, even though their helping now, thats something they could have not done. Klingons could can be seen as evil from feds eyes, they killed fed officers right? same vice-versa.

    I have not bothered with doing tholian rep so idk if theres a story with them like with the romulans. but so far, i dont think i have seen tholians torture people. yes, they try to take planets, but so did the klingons, they just do it in a different way.

    I'm against having a Tholian faction.

    The Tholians are xenophobic. They have some kind of agenda as seen from their dealings with New Romulus. They pretty much have antagonized every space faring group so I hardly doubt we'd have friendly Tholians.

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  • daan2006daan2006 Member Posts: 5,346 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    startrek1234567 wrote: »
    ok i see now how a tholian faction may not be possible, but tholians as a playable species i believe is.

    after romulans i dont care for factions any more but like you and some have said make them a Zen store species buy i pay whats going rate for one now days 5$ ?
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    system Lord Baal is dead
    macronius wrote: »
    This! Their ability to outdo their own failures is quite impressive. If only this power could be harnessed for good.
  • neoakiraiineoakiraii Member Posts: 7,468 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    Work with the mammals HA!! never




    But anywho....I would like more Alien species in the game to play as...things with more than 2 arms ,and legs.
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  • daan2006daan2006 Member Posts: 5,346 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    vegeta50024 wrote: »
    The Tholians are xenophobic..

    that been said about another species that now have open their doors to feds and kdfs
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    swimwear off risa not fixed
    system Lord Baal is dead
    macronius wrote: »
    This! Their ability to outdo their own failures is quite impressive. If only this power could be harnessed for good.
  • chrome713chrome713 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    I agree tholians as a playable race would be amazing mostly because no other mmo or video game I know of has the option of A non-humanoid race


    Plus THOLIANS ARE AWESOME
  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,236 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    I could see Tholians as co-belligerants with the other powers. IF the Tholians felt they needed help attacking a third party they'd go for it.
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  • starkaosstarkaos Member Posts: 11,556 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    I could see a Tholian Bridge Officer given through some method and eventually they might introduce the Bridge Officer to Captain system so we can get some really weird choices like Federation Gorn and Orion, Breen, Jem'Hadar, Voth, Tholian, Photonic, and whatever weird bridge officers they might introduce in the future for Captains. However, I just don't see a Tholian faction due to the obvious issues with them and the fact that they are effectively crystalline spiders so they can walk on walls. It would take some serious programming effort to allow characters to walk on walls. This is evident in the Tholian bridge where the walls are not walls, but doors and floors.
  • gerwalk0769gerwalk0769 Member Posts: 1,095 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    startrek1234567 wrote: »
    I know a cardassian faction is what most want, but personally i don't want another Romulan like faction.

    Let me explain why I don't want it before i get started:
    1. We may be forced to choose a allegiance again due to how we bombed cardassias capital and how their rebuilding I guess.
    2. We will have Cardassians fighting each other. The true way is pretty much Cardassias Tal'Shiar, its already painful enough seeing Romulans fighting Romulans.

    Those are 2 main reasons i do not want a cardassian faction. I support playable cardassians (a playable race), but not a faction.

    Let me list reasons I may want a Tholian faction:
    1. No side picking.
    2. No rebuilding type faction( like Romulan republic)
    3. Opens up a new possibility for a Tholian home world.
    4. A chance to play a non-humanoid race/faction.
    5. Tholians are pretty awesome.

    As to upsides there are always downsides:

    1. Whos going to ally with the tholians?
    2. What races other than the tholians will we play in the faction?
    3. We already got 2 playable tholian ships?
    4. Tholian Uniforms?

    For number 3 in the downsides, this is a easy solution. Make a downgraded version of the orb weaver for the faction, same for recluse.

    With those two ships, make orb weaver a "commander" vessel, and the recluse as a "RA" carrier like the vo'qov. Then make a retro of the Orb weaver(still not as good as the box one though)

    List of ranks for faction:

    Tholian Ensign
    Tholian Lieutenant(1-10)
    Tholian Lt. Commander(11-20)(until i find a more Tholian rank)
    Tholian Commander(21-30)
    Tholian Captain(31-40)
    Assembly General/Admiral I(41-45)
    Assembly General/Admiral II(45-49)
    Assembly Vice Admiral/Lt.General(50)

    Not sure about what ships will be for each rank.

    Possible C-Store ships(added on to the Orb Weaver retro i was thinking)
    1. Tholian Flagship(forgot what it was called)
    2. Tholian Orb weaver retrofit
    3. Tholian Mesh Weaver Retrofit.

    Discuss. But i would really like to find solutions to the downsides though.

    In a Podcast UGC or Stoked Radio interview regarding LoR Dan Stahl clearly stated that Cryptic does not want to further segment the player base when adding new factions. A totally independent faction, he argued splits the existing player base, as existing players could now leave the Fed or KDF for a third faction, and that would make for a bad business decision. He then mentioned that future factions would have to fit into the existing Fed/KDF framework.
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  • thay8472thay8472 Member Posts: 6,162 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    gerwalk0769 wrote: »
    In a Podcast UGC or Stoked Radio interview regarding LoR Dan Stahl clearly stated that Cryptic does not want to further segment the player base when adding new factions. A totally independent faction, he argued splits the existing player base, as existing players could now leave the Fed or KDF for a third faction, and that would make for a bad business decision. He then mentioned that future factions would have to fit into the existing Fed/KDF framework.

    How about we dump the KDF into the Fed "framework" along with the romulans....then have a real bad guy faction :/
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  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,236 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    They don't wanna do "real" bad guys as playables.
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  • dixoniumdixonium Member Posts: 219 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    What races other than the Tholians will we play in the faction?

    Let me renew my call for a silicon-based lifeform faction. Include the Tholians, Excalbians, and Horta, and allow us to fly our own Crystalline Entities!
  • edwardianededwardianed Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    startrek1234567 wrote: »
    1. We may be forced to choose a allegiance again due to how we bombed cardassias capital and how their rebuilding I guess.

    Sorry if I've not been paying attention, but when did we bomb Cardassia?!
  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,236 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    dixonium wrote: »
    What races other than the Tholians will we play in the faction?

    Let me renew my call for a silicon-based lifeform faction. Include the Tholians, Excalbians, and Horta, and allow us to fly our own Crystalline Entities!
    Maybe the Sheliak? It's not clear what the Sheliak are just that they're non-humanoid.
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  • thecosmic1thecosmic1 Member Posts: 9,365 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    edwardianed wrote: »
    Sorry if I've not been paying attention, but when did we bomb Cardassia?!
    I assume he is talking about the Battle of Cardassia. Of course in this timeline that was around 35 years ago, so I'm not sure how relevant it is to the discussion. I assume most of Cardassia has been rebuilt since then.
    STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
  • edwardianededwardianed Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    thecosmic1 wrote: »
    I assume he is talking about the Battle of Cardassia. Of course in this timeline that was around 35 years ago, so I'm not sure how relevant it is to the discussion. I assume most of Cardassia has been rebuilt since then.

    Wasn't that the Dominion as opposed to the Federation? (or Romulans/Klingons)

    EDIT: Ignore me, it's not relevant to the discussion :P
  • thecosmic1thecosmic1 Member Posts: 9,365 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    edwardianed wrote: »
    Wasn't that the Dominion as opposed to the Federation? (or Romulans/Klingons)

    EDIT: Ignore me, it's not relevant to the discussion :P
    No. The Feds, KDF, and Roms all launched an attack on the Dominion who were holding Cardassia.
    STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
  • chrome713chrome713 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    markhawkman wrote: »
    I could see Tholians as co-belligerants with the other powers. IF the Tholians felt they needed help attacking a third party they'd go for it.

    Not to mention that it is mentioned that there is a splinter group of Tholians who disagree with the assembly's violence and because of that instead of a Tholian faction perhaps just the Tholians race could be playable though this is unlikely(still hopeful however)
  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,236 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    edwardianed wrote: »
    Wasn't that the Dominion as opposed to the Federation? (or Romulans/Klingons)

    EDIT: Ignore me, it's not relevant to the discussion :P
    Actually yeah... the bombing of the Cardassian HW was caused by the Jem-Hadar firing torpedos at the planet. The Cardassian resistance had started sabotaging facilities friendly to the Dominion. So the Founder in charge of the war effort decided to take draconian measures to ensure Cardassian loyalty. It failed horribly and, when the Cardassian ship commanders saw it, the Cardassian fleet changed sides.

    Then after the fleet turned on her, she told her ground soldiers to start executing every Cardassian they saw. Even those loyal to the Dominion.
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  • chrome713chrome713 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    dixonium wrote: »
    what Races Other Than The Tholians Will We Play In The Faction?

    Let Me Renew My Call For A Silicon-based Lifeform Faction. Include The Tholians, Excalbians, And Horta, And Allow Us To Fly Our Own Crystalline Entities!

    That Would Be Awesome On 87 Levels
  • z3ndor99z3ndor99 Member Posts: 1,391 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    To get around cryptics no playable bad guys condition, tholians from an alternate universe. They can be less xenaphobic and thus playable. I want a playable horta species!
  • robeasomrobeasom Member Posts: 1,911 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    We have more chance of seeing a cardassian faction than a Tholian one, because of a few main reasons

    1. Not as many fans for Tholians to warrent a faction
    2. Cryptic have said they don't want a evil faction which explains why there is no option for RR to join tal Shiar.
    3. No costumes as they don't need any
    4. They have released loads of ships in lockboxes
    5. Tholians will not ally with the Klingons or federation so they cannot be a sub faction like the romulans

    Me personally would rather see the dominion faction but due to them being a evil faction it will never happen and also the ships have mostly been released in lockboxes as well.
    Cardassians may well be the next faction and I can tolerate that I just prey they don't do Borg as that will destroy any hope for the game being Star Trek as it is just becoming a space game rather than star trek
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