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wildmousex
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I originally started this as a reply to the latest "I want to be Borg""you want to have no control over your drone character"? thread - but as my input evolved using other MMO experiences, I realized it wasn't very relevant to that thread anymore.
-tl/dr- to be included at the end.
I'll admit the Lib Borg was an incentive to buy my lifetime sub during pre launch, but it was the fact that I had the money then, and wasn't sure if I would have it in the future to stay subbed monthly, that made the decision for me. - Looking back, that was a good call, even though I probably only logged a few month's worth of playing in total up until LoR.
I had been asking for Rommies since pre-launch, and when I heard they were coming I came back. I had 2 lvl 50 fed captains, each with MK XII borg, and maco set's, and mostly geared as well, under the old system; and some random lvl 5 klink I hadn't played since the first week of launch. - since LoR, I've expanded to 9 characters, split 50/50 fed-klink.
Even though I've always played the Lib Borg as my main, I have been disappointed with the ground abilities, specifically the nanite injection skill. I mostly blame that on myself, as I had envisioned that skill to be able to turn a target into a minion, or at least as an ally for a brief time. I prefer the Necromancer class in other MMO's,as I like the idea of building and commanding small armies out of those you have slain. - and I've always seen the Borg operating in that fashion.
however one of my new captains just happens to be an orion, who I just recently got a ferengi whip. She uses the whip's hold skill on a target, then runs in and hits it with the orion charm skill, then falls back and lets it fight the scrubs while she takes out the highest rank. - Pretty much exactly like I was was wishing the borg nanite skill should work in the first place.
I could see this expanded as a new borg class that can turn enemies into borg minions - allow up to three, to match with security team - a few simple commands (attack my target, attack at will, heal, explode)
- Tl/DR -
Change lifetime Borg captains (retroactively if need be ) into a necromancer type class that turns enemies into minions if you kill them while they are infected with your nanites - add 2-4 minion control skills, and a few new borg implant options. - put the current Lib Borg, as is, on sale in the C-store for 500Z or something - problem solved!
-tl/dr- to be included at the end.
I'll admit the Lib Borg was an incentive to buy my lifetime sub during pre launch, but it was the fact that I had the money then, and wasn't sure if I would have it in the future to stay subbed monthly, that made the decision for me. - Looking back, that was a good call, even though I probably only logged a few month's worth of playing in total up until LoR.
I had been asking for Rommies since pre-launch, and when I heard they were coming I came back. I had 2 lvl 50 fed captains, each with MK XII borg, and maco set's, and mostly geared as well, under the old system; and some random lvl 5 klink I hadn't played since the first week of launch. - since LoR, I've expanded to 9 characters, split 50/50 fed-klink.
Even though I've always played the Lib Borg as my main, I have been disappointed with the ground abilities, specifically the nanite injection skill. I mostly blame that on myself, as I had envisioned that skill to be able to turn a target into a minion, or at least as an ally for a brief time. I prefer the Necromancer class in other MMO's,as I like the idea of building and commanding small armies out of those you have slain. - and I've always seen the Borg operating in that fashion.
however one of my new captains just happens to be an orion, who I just recently got a ferengi whip. She uses the whip's hold skill on a target, then runs in and hits it with the orion charm skill, then falls back and lets it fight the scrubs while she takes out the highest rank. - Pretty much exactly like I was was wishing the borg nanite skill should work in the first place.
I could see this expanded as a new borg class that can turn enemies into borg minions - allow up to three, to match with security team - a few simple commands (attack my target, attack at will, heal, explode)
- Tl/DR -
Change lifetime Borg captains (retroactively if need be ) into a necromancer type class that turns enemies into minions if you kill them while they are infected with your nanites - add 2-4 minion control skills, and a few new borg implant options. - put the current Lib Borg, as is, on sale in the C-store for 500Z or something - problem solved!
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Praetor of the -RTS- Romulan Tal Shiar fleet!
Nanites to inhibit aggressors is one thing, mind control even of the recently deceased is another.
I've already stated in the past that Liberated Borg should get bonuses to using anything that is assimilated gear, and/or some bonuses in tac/eng/sci since they are stronger than an average human and with far more knowledge in eng and sci fields than most races. But to completely assimilate another being wouldn't make them Liberated anymore if you follow canon rules, and would instead make them pretty much a full fledge drone.
Praetor of the -RTS- Romulan Tal Shiar fleet!
Me playing UT2k4 (red guy) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wz0DnP7wXnU
Death Knights are that way ---->
In all seriousness though they basically disintergrate their dead when they can, to avoid giving others an advantage against them and as a possible resource reabsorbtion. Which raises the question why would they reanimate a dead body?
you gave the reason for animating the dead body right in your response - because the body is a resource you can use againt your enemies. it's an extra gun for your side, an extra target for your enemies to shoot at, and with explode abilities a small group of minions can decide a single battle for you.
Do I need to site the DS9 episode where quark and them animate a dead vorta to trade for their mother for cannon's sake?
Me playing UT2k4 (red guy) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wz0DnP7wXnU
and if i recall thing love to walk in to the wall
system Lord Baal is dead
Me playing UT2k4 (red guy) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wz0DnP7wXnU
Though I am strictly against this ability in liberated borg. Liberated borg cannot assimilate (and must not) other living form. This is part of being liberated, they get back to their old self (well mostly).
Skanvak Drakken
http://lamaisondesdrakkens.clan-box.com/index.php
Go away... Seriously...
The worst thing about this idea is the inspiration: Necromancer class. This is not a fantasy MMO like Guild Wars or something(I personally hate fantasy MMO's) and wish people would stop trying to incorporate elements from those games.
Another example was when Seven used Borg nanites to revive Neelix after he died.
My character Tsin'xing
That is a good point. Seven stated that the Collective did use that method to reanimate drones.
burn or merge, all the same to me.
http://www.arcgames.com/en/games/star-trek-online/news/detail/10052253
Why are you not rejoicing?
Rest in Peace Brothers
I concur that this new class shouldn't be classified as liberated, they could be anything from disconnected drones creating their own collectives to rejected queens trying to raise armies to take the main collective. - who knows.
as for fantasy, this has as much grounding in the technical criteria that the Star Trek Fantasy already claims as cannon. heck, the vulcan mind meld has more "magical" root's then using borg nanites to animate a corpse.
Well It is kinda what I payed for - So how do we decide who's money is better? do we compare who used the best currency? (I paid in U.S. dollars) who spent the most? ( have to spend some time digging through bank statements for that one) who bought the most pre-order copies ( I have every pre-order BTW), who has the most C-store stuff?
how about this we either allow the community discussion to fuel ideas that the Dev's can then kick around and decide on for themselves, or I treat you with as much respect as you showed me and invite you to kiss my hairy white rear end?
I have as much right to be here and voice my opinions as you do - you go away!
Me playing UT2k4 (red guy) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wz0DnP7wXnU
even more cannon precedence - thank you both for your input.
I wouldn't call a reanimated dead body exploding - suicide. - it was already dead before you took control ( maybe for only a second or two, but still) - and at that point it is just matter taking up space, and a useful tool.
exploding your minions is one of many skill's used for this class type in other RPG's ( yes people necromancers existed in Paper RPG's decades before MMO's, or computers for that matter) they often use buff's to improve their minions ability to deal or take damage, change damage type, heal them and so on.... Exploding is a very useful tactic in certain situations ( and a bad mistake in most others), but it's not something you have to do - choice is yours.
they're generally weaker, only being able to take a few hits, deal lower damage individually, and the more you use their skills, the less you are involved in the fight personally (or characterally to be more precise). - their main use is to hold a line against the weak foes, swarm bigger enemies, and draw fire away from the real players in your group.
Me playing UT2k4 (red guy) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wz0DnP7wXnU