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The (FED) rank system needs re-naming
jumpingjs
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... please 
I was thinking to change it to:
Lt: 2-10
LTC:11-21
Cmdr:22-35
Captain 35-47
Commodore 48-50
As you can see, it gets harder and harder to level up the later you progress!
And ... Admirals cannot fly ships!
I was thinking to change it to:
Lt: 2-10
LTC:11-21
Cmdr:22-35
Captain 35-47
Commodore 48-50
As you can see, it gets harder and harder to level up the later you progress!
And ... Admirals cannot fly ships!
Hopefully I'll come back from my break; this break is fun; I play intellectual games.
I hope STO get's better ...
I hope STO get's better ...
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Commodore 64 FTW!
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Lolth commands, and I obey!
exactly
Except for STart Trek the Motion Picture
and Wrath of Khan
and Search for Spock
and Voyage Home
but yeah Admirals don't fly ships
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In these cases though, command may have just been temporary for a particular situation. I'm uncertain if admirals command a starship full-time. It's possible they may also operate aboard a starship, but the ship and day-to-day activities still falls under the command of its captain.
dont forget Admiral Ross and their was that time in picard head where and i "Admiral Riker best thing about being a admiral get to pick your own ship"
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Forgot about Admiral Riker. Hey may be that one exception, since it's implied he commands the Enterprise D full-time as his personal ship. The D was also supposed to be decommissioned in that time, but Riker was against it.
Not sure about Ross though. There was the Bellerophon (en route to Romulus for a conference) and the Farragut (Battle of Cardassia). Later on in soft canon he used the Cerberus quite a bit.
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0 - Ensign
1-10 - Lieutenant Junior Grade
11-20 - Lieutenant
21-30 - Lieutenant Commander
31-40 - Commander
41-50 - Captain
That way we put this Admirals-in-ships bunk to bed.
You're going to tell someone with the rank of Admiral that they "Can't" do something?
But i do agree with the sentiment of us not being admirals
Think of how many players there are, all of which are capable of becoming VA
, which is traditionally a vacancy driven rank, quite simply Starfleet has no need for so many Flag officers
On the subject of Admirals commanding ships, the way i have understood it, most ships used as Flag Vessels by an Admiral still have their OWN Captain, Who is Commands the ship
The Admiral commands the Captain, and this facilitates the ability of the Admiral to Use the ship at his discretion, without requiring the formal changing of command required by Starfleet protocols, and the smooth transition of the Admiral back to his or her deskjob when finished
For some reason, though, in Star Trek, Admirals have traditionally been treated as shore officers and I'm not sure why. But then I guess we could chalk that up to the writers having not done the research.
Yeah, the commodore rank, in the US Navy at least, was removed around 1899 and only temporarily brought back in WW II.
In STO land I didn't really like the fact that our captains went all the way up to Vice Admiral as it just didn't feel right. We command one ship at a time. Going beyond the rank of captain should have been a fleet and/or party rank.
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But lets say they did re-work the player ranks. How would they phase it back into the game as we've all been VA for so long now?
Not true. Admrials can pick a ship as their flagship, or at the very least, commandeer some random captain's ship and boss it around, that has much precedent in cannon.
Also while I don't like the idea of being an Admiral, I'll run to the Federation Press Corp in a heartbeat if you try to demote me after years of loyal service!
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But it won't happen, because there will be people saing "I like my Admiral rank, thank you GTFO" and having those "ranks" belongs to the very few things in STO that remind you of Star Trek anyway
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Anyone who commands a vessel is a Captain. Even Greenjeans McScrubby, fresh out of kindergarden, can buy a ship, hire a crew, and be the Captain. Captain indicates command authority, not necessarily military rank.
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There was always Sulu at the helm...we don't know the horrors Kirk's piloting might have inflicted on us.
And in case of TMP Kirk's rank was actually changed to "captain" for the duration of the mission.
In case of ST3&4 his missions were very much unauthorized.;)
*EDIT: I think the Klingons rank system is actually in need of a re-naming give we've seen Colonels and Lts a step blow the captain indicating an army rank structure*
But the alternative can be easy. When you reach a flag officer rank (RA, VA), there should be an option, that you can/ have to promote one of your BOFFs to the rank of Captain. So he/she would be in command of your ship from that point, but you would be on board too as a flag officer- of course you as a player could control everything still. This would be just a formal/ logical solution to solve this question about admirals commanding ships.
This has been brought up before, more than once.
I fully support the above post.
As for the admiral flying ship. Surely they can. Yamamoto did have a ship (the yamato). The problem is that we are ALL Admiral and that is strange. Most admiral does clerical (enderstand management) job of planification job.
As for the movie Kirk was not officially in command it is the circonstances that put in in command. After he is put in command of a ship because the brass DON'T want him as an admiral, it was a punition.
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Bla bla above.
So event if the OP is raising a very old them if we all agree the dev might end up doing something.
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As far as the whole Admiral thing, I believe in the Chosen One theory. There are not thousands of Vice Admirals running around in ships, just a few. Our characters are promoted by doing the same content so only one person can do that content so essentially there can only be one Kirk or Picard and for 2409, that is my character only as far as I am concerned. Every other player I meet in the game is merely a Captain. I am pretty sure that as far as other players are concerned, then I am merely a Captain from their point of view.
The devs have stated that there is a level cap increase coming and that we will become Admirals. This new rank will involve commanding a fleet with our character. This could involve using our unused Bridge Officers and ships so that C-Store ship or lockbox ship that you no longer use will be useful again. So having your unused ships piloted by your unused Bridge Officers to fight with you in combat and send them off on missions. Being confined to a desk is only for Admirals that can no longer fight and a major security concern to have multiple Admirals in the same area. Having Admirals on ships reduces the chance of one well-placed attack taking out Starfleet Command.