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new hangar UI and rank system.. who thinks 5 minutes is too long?
aarons9
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im really questioning the testing they put in this system..
at 5 minutes it will be impossible to rank the hangar pets up to t5 on most maps..
also.. what is going to happen with maps like azure nebula where the pets just hangout in the center and never move until you repsawn them?
is there a button to despawn them?
at 5 minutes it will be impossible to rank the hangar pets up to t5 on most maps..
also.. what is going to happen with maps like azure nebula where the pets just hangout in the center and never move until you repsawn them?
is there a button to despawn them?
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[12:44] Vessel One of Two Unimatrix 01 deals 1019527 (1157678) Kinetic Damage to you with Plasma Energy Bolt Explosion.
[12:44] Vessel One of Two Unimatrix 01 deals 1019527 (1157678) Kinetic Damage to you with Plasma Energy Bolt Explosion.
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I think they said tier 2 is basically the same as the pets are now, and I think a least a few of the pets should on average be able to get to tier 3 or tier 4. However, I do agree that it will be next to impossible to get the pets to tier 5 on most maps.
Also, good point on the need for a despawn button. If they get stuck, they won't respawn again after hitting respawn b/c they haven't died. Guess Cryptic never thought of that.
When you do leave feedback about your pets' rank-up experiences, please be sure to include the types of missions, events or PvP modes you were in.
Regarding de-spawning, I'll pass this feedback along.
Cheers,
Brandon =/\=
In Azure nebula, my pets follow me around and attack targets on my carrier commands.
That changed that earlier on Tribble. Pets start out as they do now, and only get stronger.
Oh, I see. That sounds more reasonable to me.
could adjust the time for certain pets.
but lets wait for tomorrow then comment
more on it.
but yea there are a few maps where the pets fly all weird.
They didn't even do anything whatsoever to the Tholian pets, either. What the hell?
Read the following patch notes very carefully and you'll understand why the cooldowns wern't changed yet:
You guys have been getting feedback about that 5 minutes for along time now...no one is happy about it, but no one seems to be listening to the community there are Cryptic.
from what i understand (and maybe ive misread something) not only do pets now launch at the same level we have now and only get stronger, they have also had their cooldowns reduced for their special abilities. pets are being buffed. reaching rank 5 should be difficult to keep alive and time consuming to get to as the buffs will be significant over what we have now.
people generally want everything handed to them on a plate and while it may be difficult for a pet to reach 5 mins of being alive, its certainly not impossible and what a few people say on tribble does not always show what will happen when thousands of players have access to it live which is why they want to view it over a longer period of time rather than making snap choices they have to take back.
Right now I can't select an enemy 18km away, and tell my fighters to go attack it while I still close in. They won't go until I'm already firing on it, which kinda defeats the purpose of having a carrier in the first place.
Same with escort.
If I can see them on my sensors, even if they're unidentified yet, I should be able to tell my fighters to go to the target and do whatever, and have them do it.
They are, after all, independent manned craft, with their own targetting systems.
Maybe on a future update.
-- Smoov
On holodeck right now, I am able to launch my fighters and attack targets at up to 15 km. I did it in each of the space STFs and sat outside of enemies' weapons range and lauched my fighters to attack. I have not tried it on tribble due to time constraints.
I thought that too, and I know I've done it in the past, but i just tried it and it did not work. Perhaps its buggy or not working on all ships/fighters?
But yes it is completely unrealistic to think it will ever happen.
It seems there is only a handful of us who knows how to fly a carrier and realize this is a huge nerf centered around "pet spam" and nothing more.
yes i figured this out the first time i heard of it..
right now as it is, new pets have no CD timers.. they usually power up HY or whatever and are right in position to attack..
but they said they "normalized" the CD timers.. the post said some were 4 seconds and now are only 1 second..
so that should help..
[12:44] Vessel One of Two Unimatrix 01 deals 1019527 (1157678) Kinetic Damage to you with Plasma Energy Bolt Explosion.
But you are still looking at pets attacking the wrong shield facing with you losing dps plus when the AI bugs out and they stop respawning you have nowhere to go.
It's just hilarious when you look at it - if this is supposedly such a bonus to dps why aren't we allowed to respawn them no more?
Supposedly we'd lose by resetting their level right, well, why is that no longer allowed?
I would just lose dps doing it, right ?
Honestly, I find the update interesting, while I agree 5m is far too long. However, I would have love any IA update on the pets using cannons. They are the dumbest pets we have, since they don't use their cannons, but their turret. Usually, I spam the pet spawn, since they use both torp and cannon on a first strike against a target, then start hugging it. I will not be able to do that anymore.
I think they should have revamp the IA first, or in the same time. The warp core breach IA was needed, but insufficient. I don't really care if my BoP can earn XP, if they are hugging a cube (getting OS by the HY torp) while shooting with their turrets.
yes im assuming that this change was due to the yellowstones and pvp..
right now as it is, you can spam them, resetting the tractors and the plasma..
pretty much as soon as they pop out they tractor and plasma..
pvp people has been complaining about this for awhile..
[12:44] Vessel One of Two Unimatrix 01 deals 1019527 (1157678) Kinetic Damage to you with Plasma Energy Bolt Explosion.
I agree here. From what I read on Tribble at first with the nerf of hanger pets so that rank 2 would be what we have now I would have said 5 minutes was too long as well. With the change that hanger pets are launched as is, and with the cooldown reduction to their skills, 5 minutes seems reasonable as it is a decent buff and so should not be quick to attain.
I think you will find a later tribble patch undone this.
they now launch with no reduction.
This is taken from July 22 notes
"The 4% penalty to all pets to account for the new Rank system has been removed. Pets can now only improve due to the Rank system"
As for the 5 minute timer for 5 stars, the only way a fighter will ever realistically survive that long on most maps is dumb luck, they simply die too easily and fast, FAW and bye bye or some other attack. On the brightside the max damage bonus is all of 10 percent so its not a big lose.
The only pets that will be able to regularly take advantage of the stars will be frigates, Armoured Maurading Force Shuttles, and maybe in some cases shield repair pets and runabouts/Deltas.
I believe Crystaline Entity does not target pets so a cleaver player that aviods they're pets dying in the AOE maybe be able to get pets to 5 stars there.
Glad we could make you happy son at the cost of 25,000 carriers no longer working.
You know if you'd at least be honest about it I might not blame you as much for taking away my 2500 zen ship from me.
Anyway doomsday is today if you checked the patch notes.
I wish picard was here, I am sure he'd have something comforting to say and frankly I'd like to hear it myself.
I agree with this completely. Most missions go by far too quickly to get to Rank 5. Furthermore, AoE will ensure most fighters do not stay alive that long. Fer'jai would have if they had not borked their not replacing themselves thing right out of the gate LOL.
My main concern still revolves around the S'kul fighters and I suppose the Jem'Hadar attack ships. These are DESIGNED to suicide with Ramming Speed which means they are going to get an effective nerf from this change because they may not even get to Rank 2 before they die. Most S'kul's last about 20~40 Seconds during most engagements because of their self-sacrifice and have to be constantly replaced BUT they are AWESOME fighters currently.
It seems far more likely this change is an attempt to make the more durable pets more useful whereas up until now the weaker small fighters have always been superior to Frigates. Shuttles being the worst offenders of being useless.
However, fixing something that is broken by breaking the things that are working well is a pretty sad way to go about it.
Because originally when hanger pets were launched when this was introduced on Tribble they had their damage reduced by 4% so they had to get to level 2 just to be as they are now. Not everyone knows this has been gotten rid of, so now they can only get stronger.
4%....and they are saying that was a nerf...really.
Like that cares anyway .In PvP FAW spam exists by default so carrier pets cant exist for more than 1-2 seconds.This change is for PvE or for PvP but only in some cases.
FaW and Overload share a cooldown. The two (or 3) independent powers on all those other pets don't.