guys did u read my thread ? ""If u don?t like the rules please don?t DERAIL the thread. If u have a problems u can write me an ingame mail or pm, u don?t need to particpate in it!!!
LOL an hour ago it was " If you want to discuss it, take it to the forums"
just so everyone can see how the host of bs tournement behave's:
how dare u i said don?t spam the queue little sucker !!!!!
Its honestly not the first time a member of Inner behaves like this to other players in pms.
But I guess thats not relevant for this specific thread and subject atm.
Whats your Problem ? If you dont like the Rules.. dont play with us.
BUT PLEASE STOP CRY and dont flame !! THank you !
IC Dxxdavid
PS. The only reason for this RULES are YOU, we want a fair game for everybody in this tourney, without Chease.. like it or not !
can you maybe explain your ps a little more?
this rule's are in place for people like me, do you acuse me of cheating? if yes, may i know why and with what and how?
because i find it hard to believe that i dont know what i do/use.
because this so called "rule's" do taste like "we bann everything that hurts my little ship and make me cry"
You could not be more wrong even if you tried. These rules are constraining a lot of our builds, maybe even more so than the team setups of certain other fleets. We are successfully employing cloakers in our private premade matches and in the queues. Also, in private matches we are very capable of countering teams that are using cloakers on us, up to a point where the opposing team has already lost a match before it even started.
I for instance have multiple toons with cloaking abilities, I have a BOP toon, a dedicated Defiant Toon, and I am currently leveling up a T'varo Toon. And they are incredibly effective.
rule 1:
what is the purpose of this?
you may equip it for a boonus but not use it, which universal console does make you scared?
Again, you are basing your statements on completly wrong assumptions. We are not scared by universal consoles, we use them. As every other fleet is using universal consoles. Some universal consoles are underpowered, some are balanced, some are overpowered. In tournaments and in organized private matches, people generally tend to prohibit the same consoles, over and over again.
There has been 2 major tournaments conducted where only a very small amount of consoles were prohibited. We were thinking of using the old rules for the 3rd one. Bah. Boring.
It really gets boring. We are using the same rules for private matches, the same rules for tournament. It's getting repetitive. And the outcomes are getting predictable.
We want to mix it up. Try out something new for a change. The people that I've talked to personally were all very intrigued by that prerequisite. People are getting back to the drawing board, looking forward to the tourney.
Some people obviously dislike the rule. Well, bad luck for them I guess. And from what I can judge, most of the people complaining in OPVP about the rules are the ones that wouldn't have participated in the first place, even if they was no such rule, or would have not gotten very far anyway.
I agree this upcoming tournament resembles to a certain degree a classic pre-F2P PVP enviromnent. And by itself, this will be a new experience for most participating fleets. I say let them have their fun.
Don't forget, the previously announced 3rd NO-BS tournament by Spells also had a somewhat arbitrary rule in it (Only romulan ships allowed). Which is also an interesting premise that I haven't forgot. 4th NO BS tournament coming soon
That rule is not something new. In the previous 2 tournament, these DOFFs were disallowed as well, and for a good reason. You may use those as you wish, but not in the tournament kkthx
the yellowstone/interceptors and scimi drone's are not overpowered.
Again, this is not something new. Tractor pets were dissallowed in the previous tournaments. You are complaining a couple of months too late.
Tractor pets are considered overpowered which is why no experienced PVP'er worth his salt is using them. In addition, Yellowstones especially have not only one, but 2 weird bugs attached to their usage, so for common sense balancing issues they are excluded.
rule 6:
the mine are not broken, they do perform exactly as stated in the info box, and they dont do much damage at all, they only become a little powerfull, when someone specced into it.
Broken may be the wrong term (keep in mind that the Original poster is not a native english speaker), but they are very powerful items with almost no opportunity cost. We asked for feedback from most of the participating fleets and the majority of them asked us to put them on the ban list, and the ones who did not asked the Nukara mines to be put on the ban list, didn't mind at all having such rule in place. So, whats the beef here?
Bug. Not WAD.
As for why exactly it's happening, I can't say that I immediately know by just looking at the symptoms.
It's on our radar to review and find a fix for. Until then, beware of Boarding Parties. (Honestly never thought I'd say that...)
As far as I know, the bug hasn't been adressed yet. In the case it has been fixed, we could remove BP from the ban list.
Almost all your assumptions in your post are based on ignorance.
I understand this tournament doesn't fit the taste of everyone. I am playing a lot of organized private matches against other fleets, on a daily basis. The meta is getting stale. For just 2 days in the whole year, the meta for the participating fleets will be different. Maybe not better, but different. Think of of it more of a challenge, try to think a bit out of the box. And isn't it a bit sad that not playing with universal consoles or cloak has become something unspeakably revolutionaly out-of-the-box thinking?
Regarding KDF ships:
With the exception of cloaked BOP alpha strikes, since the enhanced release of lockbox ships, serious KDF premades weren't using the innate cloak of cloakable KDF ships that much in the first place. Beside BOPS, all good KDF premades are using other, more effective tactics nowadays. Yes, I concede that BOPS and T'varo are being hit hard by the No-Cloak-Rule, but hey, don't be sad, just sit this one out, and in the next tourney you can all switch to your awesome BOPs again. Again, wWith the exception of the whole BOP thing, the insertions that it puts KDF premades into a disadvantage is more or less very academic.
Regarding ROM ships:
Romulan ships have way more advantages than their cloak alone. They still have devastating spike potential and they have their singularity abilities. If you rely on cloaked alpha strikes you have to change your tactics, that is true. But I believe, most PVP'ers should be able to so. If not, sit this one out then.
There are a lot of people who like the rules, and I am certain, just as in the other previous tournaments, people will have a blast!
I am NOT flaming the OP or the rules of this tournament - as a private, player run event, the rules, even those I may disagree with, are par for the course.
I do however, wish to ask WHY all the hatred for Temporal Inversion field - this ability, in my experience, does not really have any serious effect. It lasts for 15 seconds every 3 minutes. People use it against me, I barely notice except for slightly longer cooldowns. I can see if a whole team was fielding this and spamming it nonstop, but the "same types of ships" limit rule seems to alleviate that.
I have asked this in EVERY thread with tourneys having this rule, and I have never gotten an answer as to why it is so much maligned. I don't question your right to ban it from your event, but I really, really want to know why it is so hated.
My guess is "hope" keeps people not playing but posting on the forums. For others, its a path of sad realization and closure. Grieving takes time. The worst "haters" here love the game, or did at some point.
I like these rules. If my fleet were a PvP fleet Im sure we would be there.
One fleet Im surprised has agreed to join. The kings of cheese and spam in the queues. How will they cope without multiple copies of the banned stuff?;)
Next one, when you premades hit the queues to do some 'pug stomping' are you going to not use any of this 'broken' stuff?
Or is it ok to stomp pugs with broken stuff but not ok to do each other?
I willl only play if I can use SS and doffs, super buffed gw3, AMS, grave pulse, nurkra mines, TIF, and auto bots to heal and sci off sub nukes. This is basically what the pandas run since they have zero skill without them.
Romulan ships have way more advantages than their cloak alone. They still have devastating spike potential and they have their singularity abilities. If you rely on cloaked alpha strikes you have to change your tactics, that is true. But I believe, most PVP'ers should be able to so. If not, sit this one out then.
With out cloak rom ships have no more spike potential then a non cloaking fed escort... accept they will still have -40 power they will still have less hull and shield (even if its not by a lot)
Sorry but banning them simply tells me the people making the rules don't think they can handle them.
Instead of adjusting to the new status que of the game... they have decided to simply ban things they refuse to adapt to.
What ever its there little turny and if that's the rule they wish to make they can have at. No there is no way I would even consider participating in something so silly.
It would be just as silly as me running a turny and saying No Charged particle Burst... No Gravity Well... No Nebula ships... No mines at all... No VM... No Extends... knowing that I have a team full of cloaked ships.
I will stop calling it stupid... its simply a complete refusal to adapt to the game mechanics that are 100% not broken at all right now.
Anyway those participating have fun... polish off your extend circles. Have fun... better set a time limit rule.
I willl only play if I can use SS and doffs, super buffed gw3, AMS, grave pulse, nurkra mines, TIF, and auto bots to heal and sci off sub nukes. This is basically what the pandas run since they have zero skill without them.
EDIT: and only 5 man Wells ships
I guess you haven't played against a Panda team, EVER.
I am skeptical at best about these rules, but after a long chat with several of the hosting players, I'm willing to give this tournament a reasonable shot with its current ruleset.
As my fleet will not be entering, I'm looking to jump in with any other fleet that happens to be competing and is in need of another team member. I am proficient as both a healer and a damage dealer, and can prove such if needed
I willl only play if I can use SS and doffs, super buffed gw3, AMS, grave pulse, nurkra mines, TIF, and auto bots to heal and sci off sub nukes. This is basically what the pandas run since they have zero skill without them.
EDIT: and only 5 man Wells ships
To me, it sounds like you'd like a private challenge? PM me (or any one of us, really) with your proposed set of rules and we'll set the record straight
To me, it sounds like you'd like a private challenge? PM me (or any one of us, really) with your proposed set of rules and we'll set the record straight
Feel free to verify the build on any of my characters via STO Gateway, I don't even have that set to private.
Why? I have the proof already of us both kicking your TRIBBLE and bot use. (that includes video evidence of pandas using bots.)
Regarding the rules: Does the no Universal console rule also include devices like the Subspace Field Modulator? What about the Valdore (shield heal) console?
We (Lag Industries) have agreed to hold the following No #BS Tournament, which I believe is... #4?
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] @Aquitaine985 Lag Industries STO PvP Fleet - Executive
A Sad Panda of Industrial calibre. 2010: This is Cryptic PvP. Please hold the line, your call is very important to us...
I am NOT flaming the OP or the rules of this tournament - as a private, player run event, the rules, even those I may disagree with, are par for the course.
I do however, wish to ask WHY all the hatred for Temporal Inversion field - this ability, in my experience, does not really have any serious effect. It lasts for 15 seconds every 3 minutes. People use it against me, I barely notice except for slightly longer cooldowns. I can see if a whole team was fielding this and spamming it nonstop, but the "same types of ships" limit rule seems to alleviate that.
I have asked this in EVERY thread with tourneys having this rule, and I have never gotten an answer as to why it is so much maligned. I don't question your right to ban it from your event, but I really, really want to know why it is so hated.
Thanks for any answer anyone can provide.
Just for your information, all ships can equip the debuff, so the rule you mentioned won't help.
A big reason why it is so hated is because it can cause very bad UI lag and desync issues for some people. There's a thread somewhere around here for that. I personally get quite a bit of lag whenever it's used, so I have a distaste for it as well.
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LOL an hour ago it was " If you want to discuss it, take it to the forums"
Just a question, do you guys also organize No Warp-out Tournaments sometime in the future?
Its honestly not the first time a member of Inner behaves like this to other players in pms.
But I guess thats not relevant for this specific thread and subject atm.
can you maybe explain your ps a little more?
this rule's are in place for people like me, do you acuse me of cheating? if yes, may i know why and with what and how?
because i find it hard to believe that i dont know what i do/use.
You could not be more wrong even if you tried. These rules are constraining a lot of our builds, maybe even more so than the team setups of certain other fleets. We are successfully employing cloakers in our private premade matches and in the queues. Also, in private matches we are very capable of countering teams that are using cloakers on us, up to a point where the opposing team has already lost a match before it even started.
I for instance have multiple toons with cloaking abilities, I have a BOP toon, a dedicated Defiant Toon, and I am currently leveling up a T'varo Toon. And they are incredibly effective.
We do not fear cloakers. We are bored by them.
Again, you are basing your statements on completly wrong assumptions. We are not scared by universal consoles, we use them. As every other fleet is using universal consoles. Some universal consoles are underpowered, some are balanced, some are overpowered. In tournaments and in organized private matches, people generally tend to prohibit the same consoles, over and over again.
There has been 2 major tournaments conducted where only a very small amount of consoles were prohibited. We were thinking of using the old rules for the 3rd one. Bah. Boring.
It really gets boring. We are using the same rules for private matches, the same rules for tournament. It's getting repetitive. And the outcomes are getting predictable.
We want to mix it up. Try out something new for a change. The people that I've talked to personally were all very intrigued by that prerequisite. People are getting back to the drawing board, looking forward to the tourney.
Some people obviously dislike the rule. Well, bad luck for them I guess. And from what I can judge, most of the people complaining in OPVP about the rules are the ones that wouldn't have participated in the first place, even if they was no such rule, or would have not gotten very far anyway.
I agree this upcoming tournament resembles to a certain degree a classic pre-F2P PVP enviromnent. And by itself, this will be a new experience for most participating fleets. I say let them have their fun.
Don't forget, the previously announced 3rd NO-BS tournament by Spells also had a somewhat arbitrary rule in it (Only romulan ships allowed). Which is also an interesting premise that I haven't forgot. 4th NO BS tournament coming soon
That rule is not something new. In the previous 2 tournament, these DOFFs were disallowed as well, and for a good reason. You may use those as you wish, but not in the tournament kkthx
Correct.
Again, this is not something new. Tractor pets were dissallowed in the previous tournaments. You are complaining a couple of months too late.
Tractor pets are considered overpowered which is why no experienced PVP'er worth his salt is using them. In addition, Yellowstones especially have not only one, but 2 weird bugs attached to their usage, so for common sense balancing issues they are excluded.
Broken may be the wrong term (keep in mind that the Original poster is not a native english speaker), but they are very powerful items with almost no opportunity cost. We asked for feedback from most of the participating fleets and the majority of them asked us to put them on the ban list, and the ones who did not asked the Nukara mines to be put on the ban list, didn't mind at all having such rule in place. So, whats the beef here?
Again, not new either.
Let me quote a Cryptic employee:
Read here: http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=596811&highlight=boarding+party
As far as I know, the bug hasn't been adressed yet. In the case it has been fixed, we could remove BP from the ban list.
Almost all your assumptions in your post are based on ignorance.
I understand this tournament doesn't fit the taste of everyone. I am playing a lot of organized private matches against other fleets, on a daily basis. The meta is getting stale. For just 2 days in the whole year, the meta for the participating fleets will be different. Maybe not better, but different. Think of of it more of a challenge, try to think a bit out of the box. And isn't it a bit sad that not playing with universal consoles or cloak has become something unspeakably revolutionaly out-of-the-box thinking?
Regarding KDF ships:
With the exception of cloaked BOP alpha strikes, since the enhanced release of lockbox ships, serious KDF premades weren't using the innate cloak of cloakable KDF ships that much in the first place. Beside BOPS, all good KDF premades are using other, more effective tactics nowadays. Yes, I concede that BOPS and T'varo are being hit hard by the No-Cloak-Rule, but hey, don't be sad, just sit this one out, and in the next tourney you can all switch to your awesome BOPs again. Again, wWith the exception of the whole BOP thing, the insertions that it puts KDF premades into a disadvantage is more or less very academic.
Regarding ROM ships:
Romulan ships have way more advantages than their cloak alone. They still have devastating spike potential and they have their singularity abilities. If you rely on cloaked alpha strikes you have to change your tactics, that is true. But I believe, most PVP'ers should be able to so. If not, sit this one out then.
There are a lot of people who like the rules, and I am certain, just as in the other previous tournaments, people will have a blast!
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I do however, wish to ask WHY all the hatred for Temporal Inversion field - this ability, in my experience, does not really have any serious effect. It lasts for 15 seconds every 3 minutes. People use it against me, I barely notice except for slightly longer cooldowns. I can see if a whole team was fielding this and spamming it nonstop, but the "same types of ships" limit rule seems to alleviate that.
I have asked this in EVERY thread with tourneys having this rule, and I have never gotten an answer as to why it is so much maligned. I don't question your right to ban it from your event, but I really, really want to know why it is so hated.
Thanks for any answer anyone can provide.
Awoken Dead
Now shaddup about the queues, it's a BUG
One fleet Im surprised has agreed to join. The kings of cheese and spam in the queues. How will they cope without multiple copies of the banned stuff?;)
Next one, when you premades hit the queues to do some 'pug stomping' are you going to not use any of this 'broken' stuff?
Or is it ok to stomp pugs with broken stuff but not ok to do each other?
If the Pandas field a team and need a member, I'll be happy to join in (if I'm available at that time).
- Nova Aurora Polaris -
@pascalb1
EDIT: and only 5 man Wells ships
With out cloak rom ships have no more spike potential then a non cloaking fed escort... accept they will still have -40 power they will still have less hull and shield (even if its not by a lot)
Sorry but banning them simply tells me the people making the rules don't think they can handle them.
Instead of adjusting to the new status que of the game... they have decided to simply ban things they refuse to adapt to.
What ever its there little turny and if that's the rule they wish to make they can have at. No there is no way I would even consider participating in something so silly.
It would be just as silly as me running a turny and saying No Charged particle Burst... No Gravity Well... No Nebula ships... No mines at all... No VM... No Extends... knowing that I have a team full of cloaked ships.
I will stop calling it stupid... its simply a complete refusal to adapt to the game mechanics that are 100% not broken at all right now.
Anyway those participating have fun... polish off your extend circles. Have fun... better set a time limit rule.
Its sad to see a player like you so polluted, you shoulve joined TSI it will be an awesome spot for you now, back to season 1 babe.
Oh to the organizers, awesome job on your team selection, i hope you didnt skip anyone!
I guess you haven't played against a Panda team, EVER.
Nice BS spam.
---I guess that's what warping out is for.
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
As my fleet will not be entering, I'm looking to jump in with any other fleet that happens to be competing and is in need of another team member. I am proficient as both a healer and a damage dealer, and can prove such if needed
Cheers,
Torvin
actually we have, and spanked them everytime!
Drugs are a great thing!
To me, it sounds like you'd like a private challenge? PM me (or any one of us, really) with your proposed set of rules and we'll set the record straight
Feel free to verify the build on any of my characters via STO Gateway, I don't even have that set to private.
Why? I have the proof already of us both kicking your TRIBBLE and bot use. (that includes video evidence of pandas using bots.)
Using a cap with straws to drink two beers isn't a bot. J/S
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
screenie or it didn't happen.
The valdore console does not provide you with a clickable ability. the 2-set bonus however is a clickable ability which you are not allowed to use.
@Aquitaine985
Lag Industries STO PvP Fleet - Executive
A Sad Panda of Industrial calibre.
2010: This is Cryptic PvP. Please hold the line, your call is very important to us...
- Nova Aurora Polaris -
@pascalb1
This post has been edited to remove content which violates the Perfect World Entertainment Community Rules and Policies . ~BranFlakes
- Nova Aurora Polaris -
@pascalb1
Just for your information, all ships can equip the debuff, so the rule you mentioned won't help.
A big reason why it is so hated is because it can cause very bad UI lag and desync issues for some people. There's a thread somewhere around here for that. I personally get quite a bit of lag whenever it's used, so I have a distaste for it as well.
Mind PMing a link to this video evidence of bots? Might be an interesting watch.