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Any chance of revisiting/rebalancing T5 zen ships?
themidnightage
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Hello!
I was wondering if Cryptic had any intention of going back and revisiting some of the older C-store ships? Some of them are in serious need of buffs/balancing to be at all competitive with the newer crop of ships released.
I'm particularly thinking about the Galaxy-X and the Atrox carrier.
The Galaxy-X could use some love. It's such a beautiful, iconic-looking ship and it has such sentimentality to it, but it simply just feels lackluster compared to the newest crop of ships. It doesn't have the durability or DPS to be at all competitive, yet it still costs the same as the newest tier of ships. A fleet version, or a lowering of the spinal lance CD would be amazing. Anything to make this fantastic ship something I should feel like I should use, rather than something I wasted $25 dollars on.
The Atrox could use a Caitian frigate to launch, as well. Or something akin to the Vo'Quv's Birds-of-Prey, or the Jem'Hadar's attack ships, ect.
I'm sure some of the older zen ships could use some love, as well. The fleet versions are a nice stopgap, but some of the newest zen ships are just unquestionably more powerful than those that still have the same cost.
I was wondering if Cryptic had any intention of going back and revisiting some of the older C-store ships? Some of them are in serious need of buffs/balancing to be at all competitive with the newer crop of ships released.
I'm particularly thinking about the Galaxy-X and the Atrox carrier.
The Galaxy-X could use some love. It's such a beautiful, iconic-looking ship and it has such sentimentality to it, but it simply just feels lackluster compared to the newest crop of ships. It doesn't have the durability or DPS to be at all competitive, yet it still costs the same as the newest tier of ships. A fleet version, or a lowering of the spinal lance CD would be amazing. Anything to make this fantastic ship something I should feel like I should use, rather than something I wasted $25 dollars on.
The Atrox could use a Caitian frigate to launch, as well. Or something akin to the Vo'Quv's Birds-of-Prey, or the Jem'Hadar's attack ships, ect.
I'm sure some of the older zen ships could use some love, as well. The fleet versions are a nice stopgap, but some of the newest zen ships are just unquestionably more powerful than those that still have the same cost.
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The Atrox could use a Caitian frigate to launch, as well. Or something like the Vo'Quv's Birds-of-Prey, or the Jem'Hadar's attack ships, ect....
I'm sure some of the older zen ships could use some love, as well. The fleet versions are nice but some of the newest zen ships are just unquestionably more powerful
2000 ZEN are still 2000 ZEN, those ships have fallen in value, since newer ships perform much better IMO.
Newer ships will still be more powerful and more awesome for people not caring about what ship they are actually use, as long as it is the strongest with the newest gimmick.
But not everyone thinks like this.
Believe it or not, there are some people actually liking other ships, if Cryptic won't rework those ships they'll lose more and more customers.
Ripped off would be those who purchased the T5 Excelsior while it still bundled with the T3 version. The T3 version was made a separate purchase later. Those who purchased it as a bundle lost the ship, you still have your Atrox and Galaxy-X.
Because they still sell those ships? And making them desirable again can make them desirable to new players? :rolleyes:
I didn't say i where ripped off. Read again, please.
The problem is like senatorvreenak already said, they still sell those ships, but they aren't worth the money anymore.
Those ships aren't some gagets you buy use and throw away. They belong to STO and in a sense they are part of an ongoing service, which is STO.
Try to look at it from this perspective, other companies update their products from time to time to keep them "useful", like microsoft updating Windows to improve or fill some holes and so on.
Ships in STO are not to be considered like real Cars for example, because the nature of streets don't magically change with the introduction of a new car. And even there, some producers recall them if they have a serious design or security fault and fix it for free. (at least in europe)
As a company, Cryptics desire should be to keep people playing and first and foremost buying stuff from them. But if the power creep makes every new ship obsolete for the foreseeable future, people will think twice before buying a new ship again.
Btw, it is just courteous to keep things up to date and in no way make people feel being overreached, if a company wants to keep its customers. (at least where i come from)
The US use to be like that, but then there was also an obligation of "BUYER BEWARE". And in that sense, it was in a company's best intrest to provide those services to bring the customers back for more. When everyone expect those services, then there is no incentive to maintain them as there is not cost to benefit and as such they either get elimintated or not maintiained to the customer's expectations.
Anyhow, I wasn't trying to go off on a wild tangent there. Yes, Cyrptic/Perfect World COULD try to maintain the balance of power with all the C-Store items if they want new people to buy the old stuff, or they could contiue the power creep, and then it becomes a game of "Keeping up with the Jones". If they choose to do that, it is only a mater of time until the game implodes due to a lack of return customers. All the more reason why I believe that F2P and funding only via the C-Store was a bad business model.
This is a very good point. However, the counter point to that is the car you purchased 15 years ago MAY not be worth the same cost. I say MAY as there always is collector edition and rare issues. But thats not the point. The game continues to evolve and thats a good thing. However, some people might want a Tactical Escort Refit Refit so they get the same look but a better model. I am sure the car analogy fits well there, same body stype but now a twin turbo engine, etc, etc. Or Maybe you purchase upgrades to your ship. For instance for 500 zen change the Ensign bridge officer to another type or 1000 zen change the ensign to a universal. You then upgrade your ship with the latest tech.
1) The Older Cars depreciate in value and ingame ships are not.
2) Newer ones are not balanced equally due to game mechanics (ie Defiants Tactical Escorts vs New Rommy Tactical Escorts), this is crucial to player satisfaction in a game.
3) In real world you can sell old cars, and trade in, so you can buy new ones. I cant trade in my Defiant so I can pick up an Andorian Cannon Boat.
Why is it that a Federation player gets ripped off for spending 3500 buying the package for a Tactical Escort when the Romulans spending the same amount get the new hotness. Why should I be punished for be a Federation citizen.
Recently for the sake of balance
1) Romulan 1000 Veteran Ship
2) Romulan Temporal Sci Ship
3) Reduced the odds of winning a JemHadar Attack Escort per pack, to be equal to the zen value of the pack
... yet still no love for people who spent hard earned cash in game.
You buy a Tier 5 ship, expecting it to be T5... not expecting it to be T5 ver 1.0 and being obsolete or second-rate.
Why is it that the most iconic Tactical Escort in Star Trek lore, the Defiant, is rated poorly against any tactical escort that came after it in game (which is nearly ALL OF THEM). Cloak is not worth the lose of a tactical console, its not battle rated, the Quad Cannons are not like the rommy one and the Fleet V2.0 Phasers are better, no set bonus, no universal consoles.
Its value of real world money and value of Zen, the balancing needs to happen.
The value of ingame store currency leads to the satifaction of players.
I am an owner of a Defiant Class Ship.... and I am @^!%! not happy with it.