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Suggestion on how to handle certain Premades in PvP
iskandus
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One of the most harmful deterrent to the growth of PvP communities is some unethical Premades who are bent on using every broken trick in the book to humiliate newbies and less experienced pugs. At the same time, they are too chicken to challenge other premades, fearing that they may get the same treatment as well! :rolleyes:
Granted, some preamdes are actually very nice people to play with. I have seen a group once, upon noticing our pug team only has 3 players, immediately said in chat: "We will wait until you have more people" before the match actually starts. And they really waited. Some other premades, would have taken the opportunity to conduct a massacre.
If you notice the premades you are dealing with behave in a manner that is unethical such as 10000 spams at once or excessive gloating or abusive language, suggestion is let them know in open chat that you will warp out and the reason why. This will deprive them the chance to earn credits towards dilithium and fleet marks and wasted their 10000 consummables for nothing. Don't forget to tell them to pick on people of their size, aka. other premades. And they will likely tell you : "We couldnt' find any" Know that it is completely BS and lie, there are many channels for Premades to find each other anytime. The only reason they continuously pick on pug is because they are afraid of taking on other organized teams.
From what I see these days, premades in arena aren't as bad as before but there are other newbies who still claim seeing nasty premades which scare the hell out of them. So want to get this out there as a way to deal with premades who behave in unethical or abusive manner.
Granted, some preamdes are actually very nice people to play with. I have seen a group once, upon noticing our pug team only has 3 players, immediately said in chat: "We will wait until you have more people" before the match actually starts. And they really waited. Some other premades, would have taken the opportunity to conduct a massacre.
If you notice the premades you are dealing with behave in a manner that is unethical such as 10000 spams at once or excessive gloating or abusive language, suggestion is let them know in open chat that you will warp out and the reason why. This will deprive them the chance to earn credits towards dilithium and fleet marks and wasted their 10000 consummables for nothing. Don't forget to tell them to pick on people of their size, aka. other premades. And they will likely tell you : "We couldnt' find any" Know that it is completely BS and lie, there are many channels for Premades to find each other anytime. The only reason they continuously pick on pug is because they are afraid of taking on other organized teams.
From what I see these days, premades in arena aren't as bad as before but there are other newbies who still claim seeing nasty premades which scare the hell out of them. So want to get this out there as a way to deal with premades who behave in unethical or abusive manner.
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Do you even Science Bro?
I think he was talking more about premade's behavior in the queues and actually respect the opposing team and wait for them to receive new players if they are short of players (d/c etc)
And staying polite
I cant blame ya though, 99% of the threads here are related to an object/item/gear/doff/ship/console which r OP
If you are seriously outclassing the other team... pull someone back (you and your team will still get the Dil, FM, or what not).. try to make it a fair and fun match. I am not advocating throwing the match... if you are good, you disserve to win... and losing can help improve the other player... getting owned, pawned, or humilated does nothing but chase would be PvP advocates away.
Star Trek Online, Now with out the Trek....
They arent worth my time or hassle. Without their cheese, they arent even really any good either.
Ive seen Ad infintum (I name for good reasons and not bad in the hope others will follow their good example.) go up against pug teams and hold off the cheese and spam (not sure if its a fleet rule or just general niceness), we still got beat but it was more down to them working better as a team. Good on them, if more fleets did this, it would be much better.
I reckon everyone should do the grind or the required missions, find all the stuff that is considered bad and use it against some of these fleets, reverse it on them. They wont like it.
I got impression, last night, when fighting against certain premade, that they got sick of the same cheese and they worked hard to get those TIFs and other cheese out there. Its a point o view only, imo. So, if a premade in which Im, for example, could run same setup, just for a sake of fighting that particular one, what do we get? A vicious circle.
Poor soul didnt have time to log out.
this ^^ a gazillion times this
a history of sto pvp: 2010 - 2011
a history of sto pvp: 2012 - 2013
Then you have to hope sanity prevails and both sides agree to lighten up on cheese a little like restrict to 1 TIF or none. Sadly sanity is rare in online games and usually just leads to both sides using more cheese in situation like this making match almost unplayable.
If folks are putting their accolades in STO PvP on their resume or trying to pick women up at bars based on bragging about what they've accomplished...well, ahem...FLFOFL...ahem.
Were it actually about resource control, territory control, etc, etc, etc...no mercy, slaughter them...but it's not. STO PvP is casual PvP. Some folks needing to feel big by pugstomping like they do, lol...is pretty damn pathetic. Even if they say they're doing it to feed on the tears of those that complain...um, that's just that much more pathetic.
There are still some games out there where one can relish the tears of a fallen foe, the tears of their friends, their mothers logging in on their accounts and asking you to apologize...ahem, yes - there are still games out there like that. STO isn't one of them.
Frag and be fragged...have fun.
When I played baseball do you think coach told our guys to purposely get out and lower their batting averages just because the score was 10 to 0? And yes this situation did happen twice! I used to hold back in ground pvp by using crappy weapons like a wide beam pistol or simply not using any buffs to kill. But lately I have just decided to say TRIBBLE it and just do whatever the hell I want. I am tired of trying to conform to the way other people think I should play the damn game!
ive actually seen pugs request it be "ended quickly" so they can get their rewards and move on as well.
not every premade is out to humiliate those they run into.
i also remember quite a few times that other premades would warp out on tsi teams/teams that had at least 2 tsi memebers.
what happens then?
as i said in my first post, if cryptic didnt release such TRIBBLE, this would be a non-issue.
Do you even Science Bro?
If I encounter you I will play my best to win and push my team to do so as well.
I expect the same in return.
The match will end one way or another and I will enjoy it as much as the last and look forward to more.
R.I.P
Because simply put, its not needed.
Its not fun and its not just newbs that pug you know.
Ive seen plenty of seasoned players who are just pugging a few rounds warp out due to the complete lack of entertainment.
But there's a major difference there. Of course your coach did not tell you to play down to the opponent. But that's organized sports... STO PvP isn't organized. There's no tracking of win loss ratios. There's no seating for any sort of playoffs. There are no trophies. Etc, etc, etc... it's like if you were to go out to play baseball with your kids, are you going to try to destroy them like you would have the other team when playing on a team?
Sometimes it becomes a coaching opportunity and a means to grow the PvP community. Consider the following two possibilities:
1) You annihilate somebody...repeatedly. They're not having fun. They grow tired of it. They quit. You realize you're not having as much fun as you thought. You grow bored of it. You quit. The PvP community has lost two players.
2) You realize you massively outclass the opponent. You take the opportunity to try to coach them on things. They improve. They're having a blast. They stick with PvP. You've got somebody that might actually present a challenge at some point. You're having a blast. You even improve. You stick with PvP. That guy comes across somebody else and does the same. You come across somebody else and do the same again. The PvP community grows.
What are these many channels you speak of? When I get a full team together, even if just a pugmade, I will usually ask in OPvP if any teams want to battle. 95% of the time nobody responds. What's ironic is when my team comes up against a premade in the queues right after asking if any teams want to battle. This actually happens more often than another team accepting the challenge to battle.
But please, list these channels you speak of so I can ask in them for team battles when I'm on a team myself.
@DevolvedOne
And lol at the apologist for broken ****, talking about ethics in games.
I guess he just found out STO is a team game.
And no one is obligated to coddle and compensate for Cryptic's stupidly broken queue system.
It's so casual that the average idiot PvEer in STO still has trouble even holding his pants up. :P
It's the opposite really. Maybe it really should play more like PvE!
I hope there will be 2 queues one day. 1 for randoms teams and 1 for premades
When I say casual, I mean it doesn't really matter. Even games like Bejeweled or Candy Crush matter...cause you finish a level and move on to the next. STO PvP doesn't even have that. It's just pew pew, win, lose...doesn't matter...do it again as long as you're having fun. It's casual.
It's not a hundred guys setting their alarms for somewhere between 12am-3am on a work night to wake up because that's when the bane was going live on some guild's tree. It's not the suppression level dropping as folks drop out of nearby grid exits to swoop in on the enemy's territory. It's not thousands of people spread out over multiple systems, diversionary raids, billions sacrificed in the hopes of drawing the enemy out of position. It's not even a couple of guys fighting a couple of guys hoping to improve their rating. It's not a group from a guild camping a rare spawn or resource node so they can farm it. It's...well...it's just...well...it's just pew pew phun! It's casual.
Yeah, there are small groups that do their premade vs. premade things - there are little tourneys from time to time...but that's extra value that those folks are giving it. It's not inherent.
Which is where it will be interesting to see what (if) they do with PvP rep and the like...whether they'll give it some inherent meaning outside of the fun. Cause obviously the fun is not enough for everybody...will have to see.
/cough
Ahem, well...
/cough
You see...
/giggle
Damn it...
...needless to say, I disagree.