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well this is not entirely true as there is a fleet ship but at tier 5 shipyard.
when i think of the romulans the two words which come to mind first is stealth and science. i started and completed 2 new romulan toons a tac and a science captain. granted i should of looked before jumping into my science career but now i am stuck with no end line vice admiral ship or c store ship. waiting for my fleet to complete tier 5 shipyard, well keep dreaming.
the thing that gets me is there are various choices for tacs and engineers but not 1 option for science and i do love flying my romulan sci toon. any of you science captains disappointed as much as i am out there?
when i think of the romulans the two words which come to mind first is stealth and science. i started and completed 2 new romulan toons a tac and a science captain. granted i should of looked before jumping into my science career but now i am stuck with no end line vice admiral ship or c store ship. waiting for my fleet to complete tier 5 shipyard, well keep dreaming.
the thing that gets me is there are various choices for tacs and engineers but not 1 option for science and i do love flying my romulan sci toon. any of you science captains disappointed as much as i am out there?
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http://sto.gamepedia.com/Mirror_Universe_Ha%27nom_Guardian_Warbird
Not to mention you don't have to pilot a Science ship with a Science captain...
This is true the Ha'nom is a T5 End game ship. Which you can get for free at lvl40 aka Subadmiral 1 (RA).
T5 or End Game ships all start at lvl40 not the lvl point (VA) the VA ones are just the Expensive Cstore gimmick console ships or the Advanced fleet ships that still need Zen or losts of EC for the Mods
That's just plain daft. Of course science players don't "have to" pilot science ships. They also, while we're stating the blindingly obvious, don't have to play this game.
Is it really so difficult for you to understand that players who choose science as a career WANT to pilot science ships?
Look, I agree that the Romulans need more ship selection in general, and Science ships specifically. That doesn't mean you can't fly something else until a good Sci ship comes out.
Keep calm, and continue firing photon torpedoes.
i think the roms have a few very, very good sci hybrid ships...a pure carrier could/should fill a gap they currently kind of have.
anyway, your sci captain is much better off in such a sci hybrid or pure tac ship...the sci captain in pure science ship combination is only worthwile in PVP with massive drain and crowd control imho. in PVE this combo simply sucks, but a sci in a tac heavy ship actually kicks TRIBBLE, both PVP and PVE, and thats not an opinion...just a fact.
however i agree play the way you want and i have found some of the hybrid ships amazing such as the breen ship which makes a great tac ship. i actually prefer that ship over my qin raptor or fleet defiant.
yeah i will definitely be purchasing the scimitar and hopefully it will fix this science ship problem.
Excuse me my Fed is a science captain and he doesnt fly a science ship if anything a MU star Cruiser is more engineering based ship. Quite Frankly I don't really fancy the oddy,vesta or andorian ships and can't stand the Intrepid. And the Star Cruiser my play style fine.
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LTS, here since...when did this game launch again?
I don't understand. If you are so desperate for a science ship, why not just fly the Ha'nom Guardian?
The fleet upgrade is just 10% hull and shields and 1 console slot. While I agree the fleet bonuses are nice, they are by no means essential and you can run your T5 Ha'nom just fine.
No offence but your "I don't care about power gaming I just want to do space magic (science)" doesn't hold water if you aren't willing to give up a small amount of optimization for it.
actually i do fly this ship. its absolutely a beautiful ship and right now i run fleet everything on this ship. i am guessing as pure luck i have been doing good in pvp with this ship. in stf well i got a lot of work to do but this is coming from someone with 8 toons so i can do any with my eyes closed. actually my gripe is not that i do not have a ship to fly but i do not have the option that other romulan careers have, an option for a fleet or store ship. i can even live with not getting the fleet ship as most are tier 5 anyways. all i ask is for a fair representation that other romulan careers got.
and if i have any gripe about the ha'nom is its weak hull but is not every rom ship like that?
we can forever argue about the role of a science captain but all that matters is what works for that specific person and team. my science captains have played roles of offensive dps, torpedo boat (absolutely worked great in stf but failed in pvp), and everything in between. for me i do best as a power and shield stripper, healer and crowd control.
actually think of the options if we had all universal bridge officers. oh well bad idea we would all be tacs in the end:o
Not only do I understand it, but I've demonstrated no sign of not. So your reply is as banal as the comment that sci captains don't need to fly sci ships.
And there it is...
Yes it's a science ship. Our only one. It flies but sadly it's a) not very pretty and b) the size of a small moon.
Apart from needing to zoom back a fair distance to see around yourself in team situations its size means you get hit by every stray beam and torpedo fired in your general direction and have to take care to avoid being an obstacle to your team-mates.
I think that would be the obvious, easy fix for the problem.
Presently, thanks the universal lt cmdr boff slot, I find the T'varo retrofit to be the best option available for a science ship.
Wow, you went beyond double-negative there, so I'm having trouble following your statement.
Regardless, my statement was simply to point out how absurd your own statement was. Yes, we know some Sci captains want to fly Sci ships. And we know the Romulans have a dearth of selection there. The suggestion to fly something besides Sci for now isn't intended as "too bad, suck it up." It's intended simply to suggest a stopgap measure until we do have a good spread of ships to choose from.
Keep calm, and continue firing photon torpedoes.
Using multiple negatives in a sentence doesn't add up to a double negative. You should take a look at the definition of a double negative before you try slinging that one again.
Here's another example of a sentence with multiple negatives which isn't a double negative. Hope you can understand this one.
I neither committed a double negative, nor went beyond one.
There was nothing absurd about my statement.
The constant cries of "Science officers don't have to fly science ships" is completely redundant. Do you really the OP or anyone else who makes it to level 50 doesn't know that?
No-one's claiming they're stuck in spacedock. They're claiming that options for one particular type of ship are ridiculously limited. Ignoring fleet versions, refits and retrofits, there are 11 Romulan vessels - 7 escort, 3 cruiser, 1 science.
Exactly my point many times. It's no secret they have this kind of hate for science captains in any race.
The ships are weak, the skills are gimpt, and as soon as these new consoles and ship components come out with kinetic resist across the board, our skills will be completely useless.
They should just delete all science captains a this point with as little time and effort they put into making theme balanced.
Dhelan Warbird Retrofit.
You get dakka, you get magic, and you get nimbleness.
What more could you want?
actually this is a romulan bop without the bop universal bridge officers and i have one. i wouldnt even qualify this as a good tac ship let alone a science ship. as i had good success with the chel grett and its extra sci slots you would think maybe this ship would work ok but it does not.
anyhow this thread is about romulan science specific ships not bad tac ships.
I dunno what you're talking about. This ship is quite powerful. Does very heavy damage and has great CC courtesy of the LtCmdr Sci. And there are no science specific ships other than the Ha'nom. So it's the next best thing. Tactically oriented with heavy investment in science.
Besides, you have the Ha'nom. Great BOff layout, great overall stats. Why are you complaining?
apparently almost no one did not get the point. there are no dedicated store or fleet ships but just 1 tier 5 fleet which almost no one can get. all i ask is for the option for this. i am not talking about which ship is best now but why there has not been any dedicated science ships besides the obvious one for end game when the engineers and tacs have options provided for them. right now i am trying out a scimitar for science.
on the side topic of all universal bridge officers. yes i made a joke about it but of anything i could wish for i think that would be it and would bring unlimited variety into this game with the minimum of changing game mechanics. that would be exiting. i still pull my bop out from time to time because of this and its variety to change on the fly to suit your needs.
So you basically want science variety on the level that feds have?
Fair enough. But I will point out that the Ha'nom has the most ideal science layout possible BOff and console-wise... so anything else they could give would be inferior.
Not only that, but the enhanced cloak means most of my science powers can be used whilst cloaked
There is no immediate need for a new Romulan Science Vessel because the Ha'nom covers the fundamental elements required for a dedicated Sci ship.
Engineers and Tacs do not have more options provided for them. In fact, by your criteria, they have exactly the same number of options. Engineers have the Ha'apax, and the Tacticals have the Ha'feh. You imply that that a dedicated class ship must have Commander and Lt Commander BOff slots for the respective class, and only these two ships match that specific criterion. All other ships which are not derived from the Advanced Warbirds (everything prior to T5, their respective T5 Retrofits, and the Scimitar) are hybrid ships. You're trying to apply Federation ship styles to Warbird design - two distinctly different entities. Besides, who wants to fly a clone of a Federation ship on a Romulan character?
Addendum: That said, tt would still be interesting to see a warbird with a Commander Science slot and a Universal Lt. Commander slot - that could potentially be an interesting ship to fly. Think of the T'Varo-R's layout with the Tac and Sci seats reversed. However, it would not necessarily need to have subsystem targeting and/or sensor analysis - it would be another hybrid warbird.
"Here, fly this ship that's not a sci ship. Or this other one that also isn't a sci ship, but it has some science so that's close enough. And anyway, you have one already so just be happy with that and stfu. Why you would want to fly one anyway is beyond me. Besides, all those C-Store and fleet ships don't count so we're all in the same boat."
I have absolutely no problem with a prevalence of a particular captain class or ship type, but I have to say I really would love to see what the forums would look like if there were only one Tac based ship and I would further enjoy reading the responses to statements like "That one ship is good enough to serve all your needs" or "You can get the mirror version on the exchange for cheap" or the infinitely better and personal favourite of mine "You know, you don't have to fly the same type of ship as your captain class."
Yea, we have one. One. ALL the other ships from lower tiers have T5 C-Store versions. Oh wait... there aren't any lower tier sci ships....
Sorry for being so unreasonable by wanting to have, you know, a choice of ships with Cmdr Sci slot.
No. Your fun makes everyone else's fun wrong by default.
I'm sure they'll release a Sci ship, Escort, Cruiser, Carrier but they aren't going to drop them on the C-Store all at the same time. They are going to wait for people to get bored of the ship they are in, and than they will release something new.
If I ask you a question it is not an insult but a genuine attempt to understand why.
When I insult you I won't be discreet about it, I will be precise and to the point stupid.
Apparently, being a canon ship isn't good enough for the ship design team.
All the small craft veteran awards are based on canon ships, Romulans do not receive special treatment in this regard.
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1-They feel cheap, since it is basically the top half of a cruiser.
2-The Ha'nom is TOO BIG. Seriously, its the only Science Vessel that I have to max my ship zoom.
I think he means that the Romulan science ship from "The Next Phase" was not a shuttle but a ship...with an emphasis on canon SHIP and not CANON ship.
http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Romulan_science_vessel
It had a crew of over 70 people.