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cheese you may ask ? cheese is everything that nooby simple tactical builds can't counter. that's it, feel free to use as many jam sensors and scramble sensors you want, it's theirs noobyness to not to use science team against it, they just use that build, and only that type of build is good, the rest is cheese because they fall into it
consoles costs us money, the same money as the ones you can counter easely
tractor beams and feedbackpulses are skills, just like crf and eptx
im sick of having to limit my beautiful vesta just not to hear stupid statements as " not really a gf, it was cheesy " ...
get used to it, aux to dampers, science team, and polarize hull are there for you to use,
Asking no cheese to a sci vessel is the same of asking no dhc to an escort, get used to it, and let scientists rule the field
and you ? what do you think about a good and big plate of an aromatic and tastefull camembert cheese with a drop of honey in it ?
consoles costs us money, the same money as the ones you can counter easely
tractor beams and feedbackpulses are skills, just like crf and eptx
im sick of having to limit my beautiful vesta just not to hear stupid statements as " not really a gf, it was cheesy " ...
get used to it, aux to dampers, science team, and polarize hull are there for you to use,
Asking no cheese to a sci vessel is the same of asking no dhc to an escort, get used to it, and let scientists rule the field
and you ? what do you think about a good and big plate of an aromatic and tastefull camembert cheese with a drop of honey in it ?
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edalgo, i feel the oposite, i want more skills, the game is boring allready with everyone using tac team
On BOFF powers, I do agree. By themselves. Nothing else added on. I don't ever care if I get scrambled, or placated, or anything else, that is just normal BOFF powers.
It gets to 'cheese' level for me when everything else gets added in: Fleet gear, DOFFs, rep stuff, lockbox stuff, etc.
Like that cooldown bug that would persist after death. You would get that SS DOFF used on you along with Boarding Party and maybe some other cooldown debuffs, then SNB'd. What would happen is you got all that, and then killed. By itself that is kind of cheesy IMO, but the real cheese and annoyance factor came in that you would get these super long cooldowns that persisted after death, with no way of getting rid of them. (I forget, to anyone reading, has that been fixed yet?)
An older example lies in a full team fielding Graviton Pulse and being super-specced for it. One team member, specced or not, can be annoying, but tolerable. It's when you amplify that into a full team chaining it over and over is when it is truly cheese level. Yes, an engineering team will clear it, but even if everyone carries it, it only works once every 15-30 seconds at the quickest. But the other people on the other team won't have to wait on a cooldown to fire the next Graviton Pulse, so they can just use it again.
Honestly, the biggest issue regarding 'cheese' isn't so much a single person, but more that the 'cheese level' grows exponentially because the more people use something that is usually considered cheese compared to just a single person.
A sci using all their sci-stuff in a sci-ship isn't an issue, I can expect and understand that.
the same happens with a full team using alpha strikers, add to that fleet gears, temporal inversion field and stuff like that and fully specced *.* attack patterns
man, inertial dampers will counter most of the stuff and graviton pulse is one of them
power insulators and devs made shield stripping impossible
we give up a lot of fire power to spec in prtg, subspace decompiler or even sensors ... if the skills are full of glitches, its not sci's fault ... but yeah i can see the point
covers it quite good imo.
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Do you even Science Bro?
So you are saying I am free to put the valdore console on my Tac Rom... and Engage the Tier 4 Placate... and in a few days when I get the rep install some nice placate shield to go with.
I mean wth.... Its up to science players to Get the Helmsman trait slot 3 conn doffs... and just run from me. I don't care who calls it cheese.
I'll even install regular DC... just to rachet up the chee.... er I mean skill level.
As awful as this is, we got to this place exactly because "the players wanted it".
"IT" really wasn't what was wanted, but "IT" is the direction the Devs went, and then never looked back from.
This may seem hard to believe, but early in the game players just didn't like the model the Devs came up with. The implementation of the game required teamwork between the different Captain classes to achieve kills.
This was clearly intolerable. So they changed things. In particular they changed how Acc was obtainable in the game. And so was spawned the Three Headed Monster of Acc/Crit/Def.
And escorts never again had to rely on Science or Engineering for kills. Bully for the escorts, not so good for the rest.
But anyway.....Tac Team to the rescue! Because there was NO obtainable level of hull or shield resists in the game that could defeat the TRIBBLE son of the Three Headed Monster....Crit D. Oh well.
So here we are. Still working off of that crappy foundation. It isn't even like a simple matter of balancing an avoidance stat with resistance stats. Acc/Crit/Def being linked as they are combined with the punishing levels of Crit D available in game make a workable passive solution ludicrous and the current ACTIVE solutions extremely overpowered.
Cheers!
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Haha, I read that in Reg's voice! :P
Or more ... .
To me it seems that cheese is different things to different ppl .
My pet peeves are speed tanking and shield tanking .
Why ?
Because if 3-4 ships can't bring down a single ship due to the two things I named , that does not make the 1 ship "awesome" .
It makes the 1 ship broken , and a little sad .
Source and further reading: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheese
I would recommend some wine to your cheese:
"Wine is an alcoholic beverage made from fermented grapes or other fruits. The natural chemical balance of grapes lets them ferment without the addition of sugars, acids, enzymes, water, or other nutrients."
Source and further reading: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wine
I hope that helps!
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I've been prey to groups of 3-4 people (it's usually Feddies I see doing this) in Ker'rat combining Graviton Pulse, engine disables, scrambles, and other TRIBBLE like that. I can still manage to get away half the time because they're focusing more on cheese-spamming than actually killing the enemy and getting it over with.
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1. cheese is speccing to something that pisses someone off,
2. if you had an aux to dampers, or a eng team it wouldnt TRIBBLE you off,
3. so my conclusion is:
4. it is cheesey because you couldnt counter it,
5. and you still think speccing to something smartly that makes me win pvp's not using cheats or exploits is unsportsmanlike
final : you just want to keep that good spike dmg build, you just wont adapt, you are too lazy, ill speak for all the scientists in the game because all of them will agree, do you have any idea of the number of builds we test and have ? of the boffs we have fully skilled, of the gears we have or the money we've spent doing respecs ? a tac build will just work, sometimes more sometimes less but it works, but a sci build will depend on the enemy specialization, we have to change weapon type if nessecary, plasma, trans and tric full builds allways in the inventory, not to talk about sets and consoles, can you make an idea of how terrible it feels to try a build with gravity well or psw? knowing that shield stripping SVCKS and you still try to do something about it with the devs just dont giving a ^^ ?, want to compare our commander skills to apo3 ? ... wanna know what i find cheesy ? running 10km away, thats cheesy, thats unsportsmanlike
...*sings along*...
*Loads on AMS and grav pulse*
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