The new movie was far more Space Seed than TWOK. Also a large portion of TOS was about scantily clad women and special effects. So I don't really follow your criticism.
Special effects back during TOS, PLUEEAAAAZZZEEE. But they also had goods stories behind their episodes. As i said Into Darkness would have been better with just the S31 story NOT with Kahn.
I'm sorry you are entitled to your opinion but some of your arguments now seem to be very weak handed and some of you responses are clear gasps to get the last word as your defeated and can't think of a worth while reply.
That or your trolling.
Weak handed let's see. Every fan was looking forward to the 2009 Trek. Then we saw it and the fanbase split between liking it or hating it. And note while it did well in US it didn't do well worldwide. I friend in England saw JJ Wreck toys in the BARGIN BIN while Transfomers and GIJoe movie toys were still on the shelf. Now this one Brought in Kahn and clearly tried to copy Wrath of Kahn. This story would have been better and stand on it's own rather then add Kahn in. and huge plots holes as well. Why go after kahn's blood when you have 72 other super humans to get blood from. Sorry there's plenty to hit on the JJ Wreck series. ANd I never want to see any ships from that universe in sto EVER.
Weak handed let's see. Every fan was looking forward to the 2009 Trek. Then we saw it and the fanbase split between liking it or hating it. And note while it did well in US it didn't do well worldwide. I friend in England saw JJ Wreck toys in the BARGIN BIN while Transfomers and GIJoe movie toys were still on the shelf. Now this one Brought in Kahn and clearly tried to copy Wrath of Kahn. This story would have been better and stand on it's own rather then add Kahn in. and huge plots holes as well. Why go after kahn's blood when you have 72 other super humans to get blood from. Sorry there's plenty to hit on the JJ Wreck series. ANd I never want to see any ships from that universe in sto EVER.
Star Trek (2009) made $127,764,536 overseas
Star Trek Into Darkness made about $147 million overseas
It's a higher grossing movie in just about any market than other Star Trek movies, even when taking inflation into account. Just because your friend saw some toys in the bargain bin doesn't mean the movie didn't do well.
Also, it's hilarious that you're comparing Star Trek to Transformers or GI Joe -- both of those franchises were made specifically to sell toys, whereas Star Trek was not.
They were some of the best in the business at the time. I'm not sure what your problem with them is? Are 1967 effects dated in 2013? Yeah. Doesn't take away from the fact that Star Trek had some of the best effects put on TV back in its day.
But they also had goods stories behind their episodes.
Not all of them.
As i said Into Darkness would have been better with just the S31 story NOT with Kahn.
I'm not following you here. The Section 31 angle was all couched in the first 75% of the film, which was Space Seed. Which is Khan. Have you seen Space Seed? This was Abrams' take on that particular episode.
Like I said, this movie is far more Space Seed than Wrath of Khan.
They were some of the best in the business at the time. I'm not sure what your problem with them is? Are 1967 effects dated in 2013? Yeah. Doesn't take away from the fact that Star Trek had some of the best effects put on TV back in its day.
Not all of them.
I'm not following you here. The Section 31 angle was all couched in the first 75% of the film, which was Space Seed. Which is Khan. Have you seen Space Seed? This was Abrams' take on that particular episode.
Like I said, this movie is far more Space Seed than Wrath of Khan.
Either way the Kahn plot WAS NOT NEEDED. And special effects the ships data disks were wood blocks. For scifi it may have been okay but jeeze still not the best seen in tv at the time.
Star Trek (2009) made $127,764,536 overseas
Star Trek Into Darkness made about $147 million overseas
It's a higher grossing movie in just about any market than other Star Trek movies, even when taking inflation into account. Just because your friend saw some toys in the bargain bin doesn't mean the movie didn't do well.
Also, it's hilarious that you're comparing Star Trek to Transformers or GI Joe -- both of those franchises were made specifically to sell toys, whereas Star Trek was not.
How much of that was the first days before pettering out. whilke the moive may have made money not as much as it could have. Abandoning the core of a franchise for money is not a good idea.
Weak handed let's see. Every fan was looking forward to the 2009 Trek. Then we saw it and the fanbase split between liking it or hating it. And note while it did well in US it didn't do well worldwide. I friend in England saw JJ Wreck toys in the BARGIN BIN while Transfomers and GIJoe movie toys were still on the shelf. Now this one Brought in Kahn and clearly tried to copy Wrath of Kahn. This story would have been better and stand on it's own rather then add Kahn in. and huge plots holes as well. Why go after kahn's blood when you have 72 other super humans to get blood from. Sorry there's plenty to hit on the JJ Wreck series. ANd I never want to see any ships from that universe in sto EVER.
How much of that was the first days before pettering out. whilke the moive may have made money not as much as it could have. Abandoning the core of a franchise for money is not a good idea.
Yes weak handed you just keep arguing with nothing backing you up, people prove you wrong and you just won't take it.
I live in Wales part of the United Kingdom, my closest town is in England, when i go in shops, I could pick up anything at a cut price, Games, Toys, Books, DVD's anything as there are shops who focus in selling products cheap as possible by buying inventory in stupidly high numbers, also the 2009 toys are 4 years old so they would be selling off old stock.
In the countries leading sports shop Nike trainers where 40% off today does that mean they are going to fail in the UK in the next year or so?
Both films smashed the UK box office and if the first film did so bad why did they choose to bring out Into Darkness a week earlier in the UK than in the US?
JJ has said in interviews the New films where purposely set in an alternate universe to preserve what had came before and its message, that's still around and untouched by JJ, If you are so against JJ Trek , don't watch it just hide in what you like!
TOS actors have been on board with JJ, Leonard Nimoy is in both films , he played(/plays) the most know star trek character ever, people who have never seen half an episode of star trek have heard of Spock or "the one with pointy ears" and if someone so iconic in the franchise can back JJ and see what he is doing is helping the brand I think he deserves some credit even if you hate the films.
How much of that was the first days before pettering out. whilke the moive may have made money not as much as it could have. Abandoning the core of a franchise for money is not a good idea.
By returning to Kirk, Spock, and their friendship ... by returning to the wagon train to the stars, action packed sci-fi adventure show ... they did return to their core as a franchise.
Forget everything involving Picard and later captains.
You can't tell the story of Space Seed without him.
What was better at the time?
IT DIDN'T NEED TO BE SPACE SEED THAT'S THE POINT THERE.
Roughly half of Trek fans accept this Wreck (misguided but that's their choice.) And Half figure out what these movies are and reject them. JJ is all action not REAL story. THe best Trek films only had a few actions peices and they did great and are remebered that way JJ Wreck just doesn't messure up.
IT DIDN'T NEED TO BE SPACE SEED THAT'S THE POINT THERE.
Roughly half of Trek fans accept this Wreck (misguided but that's their choice.) And Half figure out what these movies are and reject them. JJ is all action not REAL story. THe best Trek films only had a few actions peices and they did great and are remebered that way JJ Wreck just doesn't messure up.
yeah because Prime Star Trek never recycled ideas
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Let us explore it... together. Each man hides a secret pain. It must be exposed and reckoned with. It must be dragged from the darkness and forced into the light. Share your pain. Share your pain with me... and gain strength from the sharing.
IT DIDN'T NEED TO BE SPACE SEED THAT'S THE POINT THERE.
That's a weak point. The whole idea of the reboot is to delve into the classic Kirk Star Trek and re-imagine parts of it.
Look, I initially had a similar gut reaction when I saw Into Darkness. I was thinking "Well they didn't need to do that."
Then I realized, they did need to do that. They're not telling new stories yet. They're tapping into the classics. And adding a new spin on them. That's why it's all happening this way. Part of that is to give a wink-wink-nudge-nudge to old fans of TOS (I'd say this far into this discussion we can probably agree that I'm far more a TOS fan than you, so I think the little nods like the 72 people-pedoes, are far more for me than you), and part of it is to get new fans on board with classic Trek tropes.
You keep saying this isn't Trek, but the movie is filled with bits and pieces that are reference to classic TOS. From Tribbles, to the arguing about the Prime Directive, to the expression Chekov has when Kirk tells him to put on a red shirt.
That's all Trek. Just not Picard-Trek. Which I get you are a much bigger fan of. Probably has to do with when you first saw it compared to when I first saw it.
It's ok. There's a ton of amazing stuff in TNG.
But Abrams didn't even touch anything from Picard's era.
He went to Kirk.
And this is what he's making. And it's not all that much different from TOS. You talk about how the stories are better. And sure, City on the Edge of Forever probably is still far more meaningful than Into Darkness.
But Into Darkness is really Space Seed with some TWOK stuff stapled onto the end of it. It holds up as a redo of Space Seed. So if you hate this story, it's either blind rage, or you know, you hate the story of Space Seed. I think it's probably a bit of both. Because TOS seems to not be your thing. Which is fine. Just, you know, realize that the past two movies have quite a lot in common with TOS and do get at the core of what that series was about. So it's not doing anything wrong to "the core of the franchise" like you keep saying it is.
You just don't seem to really like much of the Kirk Star Trek television show. It is old. It is dated. But for me it's always going to be something special. And this movie series brings quite a lot of the Kirk-Spock-Bones interplay back to life. Which is sooooooo Trek it's not even something I should need to defend.
JJ is all action not REAL story.
You yourself don't even believe that since you keep talking about the Section 31 angle of Into Darkness. Apparently there is real story in there. Even for you.
That's a weak point. The whole idea of the reboot is to delve into the classic Kirk Star Trek and re-imagine parts of it.
Look, I initially had a similar gut reaction when I saw Into Darkness. I was thinking "Well they didn't need to do that."
Then I realized, they did need to do that. They're not telling new stories yet. They're tapping into the classics. And adding a new spin on them. That's why it's all happening this way. Part of that is to give a wink-wink-nudge-nudge to old fans of TOS (I'd say this far into this discussion we can probably agree that I'm far more a TOS fan than you, so I think the little nods like the 72 people-pedoes, are far more for me than you), and part of it is to get new fans on board with classic Trek tropes.
You keep saying this isn't Trek, but the movie is filled with bits and pieces that are reference to classic TOS. From Tribbles, to the arguing about the Prime Directive, to the expression Chekov has when Kirk tells him to put on a red shirt.
That's all Trek. Just not Picard-Trek. Which I get you are a much bigger fan of. Probably has to do with when you first saw it compared to when I first saw it.
It's ok. There's a ton of amazing stuff in TNG.
But Abrams didn't even touch anything from Picard's era.
He went to Kirk.
And this is what he's making. And it's not all that much different from TOS. You talk about how the stories are better. And sure, City on the Edge of Forever probably is still far more meaningful than Into Darkness.
But Into Darkness is really Space Seed with some TWOK stuff stapled onto the end of it. It holds up as a redo of Space Seed. So if you hate this story, it's either blind rage, or you know, you hate the story of Space Seed. I think it's probably a bit of both. Because TOS seems to not be your thing. Which is fine. Just, you know, realize that the past two movies have quite a lot in common with TOS and do get at the core of what that series was about. So it's not doing anything wrong to "the core of the franchise" like you keep saying it is.
You just don't seem to really like much of the Kirk Star Trek television show. It is old. It is dated. But for me it's always going to be something special. And this movie series brings quite a lot of the Kirk-Spock-Bones interplay back to life. Which is sooooooo Trek it's not even something I should need to defend.
You yourself don't even believe that since you keep talking about the Section 31 angle of Into Darkness. Apparently there is real story in there. Even for you.
Note I AM a TOS fan and so are many of my friends and we all HATE JJ Wreck. admittedly there is a story there but over cast by the action. and I'm sorry while I will like nods to classic trek Kirk Spock switching roles at death is not a nod it's a middle finger to the fans saying this is MY TREK not yours. I easily Prefer Star Trek Continues of this pile of TRIBBLE.
From your posts in this thread and a few others, it's pretty obvious that TOS isn't your favorite show in Trek history. That you keep harping on Into Darkness' Wrath of Khan elements and you know skate over all of the parts of it that were trying to really delve into Space Seed shows that. Your dismissal of its effects and how good they were at the time the show aired shows that. You just don't come off as big a fan of TOS as you do TNG, just going off of what you yourself post about this game.
while I will like nods to classic trek Kirk Spock switching roles at death is not a nod
Again, you're talking about the last 25% of the film that was all Wrath of Khan stuff.
I'm talking about the other 75% of the film, that was all the new take on Space Seed.
TOS episodes. Not TMP-era movies.
Nicholas Meyer already took the kind of heat you're dishing out at Abrams for not being true to the core of the franchise. For the movie Wrath of Khan.
So it's just silly to even go there.
So let's just get right to the point. Have you seen the episode Space Seed? The one that introduced Khan? Because you keep talking about the Wrath of Khan stuff from the film. Which is really the last few beats of the movie. Not the rest of it.
and Nicholas Meyer had't seen an episode of Star Trek before directing WOK
Your pain runs deep.
Let us explore it... together. Each man hides a secret pain. It must be exposed and reckoned with. It must be dragged from the darkness and forced into the light. Share your pain. Share your pain with me... and gain strength from the sharing.
I liked the show +)
Sure there were a few stretches that were made, and I was ok with that.
I think my favorite complaint when the first one came out was about Spock and Uhura... did no-one watch TOS? Uhura and Spock was totally there, lol. Spock just ignored her is all.
WHAT?:o This Rom ship have most grace in her feathered wings :eek:
lol, its flying paper sheet:
short, slim and large LOL.
the Scimitar have a great look instead:
with its giant and dreadful wings, its bat-like hull ... *_*
I'm disappointed that they decided to make it a Carrier.
I would have made it like a Science-Escort Hybrid, but I think people don't want it to have something special.
HOWEVER:
What do you think about the "Into Darkness" Dreadnought ?
We already have a dark coloration for our ships, the Ambassador class or the Excelsior are bigger than the Constitution class and I'm pretty sure that any fed player could kick Picard's or Kirk's TRIBBLE.
It is an alternate reality
It is an alternate reality
It is an alternate reality
It is an alternate reality
...being upset that it's not like TOS is just as dumb as being mad that Mirror Mirror Universe Spock has a goatee.
Your pain runs deep.
Let us explore it... together. Each man hides a secret pain. It must be exposed and reckoned with. It must be dragged from the darkness and forced into the light. Share your pain. Share your pain with me... and gain strength from the sharing.
Star Trek was a dead franchise before J.J. got a hold of it.
While Into Darkness showed lack of originality, the 2009 film wasn't too shabby. It put Star Trek back onto peoples' radars.
So, yeah. J.J. virtually breathed new life into the franchise.
he laughed that his friends found JJ verse toys in the bargain basket...could you even buy a Star Trek toy in stores before the 2009 movie came out?
Your pain runs deep.
Let us explore it... together. Each man hides a secret pain. It must be exposed and reckoned with. It must be dragged from the darkness and forced into the light. Share your pain. Share your pain with me... and gain strength from the sharing.
First of all my previous point proven it seems lol and second yeah I can see why some people might think it was a Wrath Of Khan remade but no since its completely different not to mention an original story for this movie obviously Abrams borrowed some characters from Khan but he definitely stamped his authority on it including his style of directing .
For the moment STO doesn't have the rights to use any of Abrams Trek ships since Paramount own the rights and of course they would have to negotiate a suitable price which I suspect is quite high right now lol. When they do eventually add Abrams Trek ships and uniforms etc you can exercise personal choice and not buy and those of us like me will just because its awesome .
I wonder how many who slate JJ's take on things read the Various ST novels, the Vesta is considered Canon, has it appeared on screen.... did the novelist have the actress who played Ezri, going through her lines with him as her wrote her parts.. or was it just THERE idea of a portrayal.
In short Canon is whats the media everybody has or could have watched. Beyond that its subjective opinion and a cult niche market you can exploit for profit, er supply original works extrapolated from the original Canon which does not make any of it Canon.
Suck up the reality, this game itself is case in point. If CANON is all your after you should stop playing STO, its merely BASED on the the ideas of the Great Bird of the Galaxy. Only using the background Roddenberry established, and more than a nod in the direction of the films everyone hates!!!. He died in the early 90's anything after that could never have his seal of approval/ or rebuttal.. so why pick out JJ, I think the misguided ham fisted Temporal War ala Enterprise did more damage then anything you could say about JJ.
With CANON all your left with is TOS the first 6 films and TNG rerun's and should shut yourself off from anything else ever done.
CANON purists are hypocrites, how many rate DS9 the best series, with its kick TRIBBLE war, edgy politics and intrigue, social commentary... That was after Roddenberry died, so how's that Canon??? Or have copies of every ST book ever written and consider it Canon.
Unless your getting a yay or nay from the original creator of an adventure series, after that it's pretty much been made in the hopes you can be entertained and will spend money on it.
Right now the only canon are the JJ ST films as he can say if its his idea of what he has imagined or people just using it to make a quick buck.
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Special effects back during TOS, PLUEEAAAAZZZEEE. But they also had goods stories behind their episodes. As i said Into Darkness would have been better with just the S31 story NOT with Kahn.
Weak handed let's see. Every fan was looking forward to the 2009 Trek. Then we saw it and the fanbase split between liking it or hating it. And note while it did well in US it didn't do well worldwide. I friend in England saw JJ Wreck toys in the BARGIN BIN while Transfomers and GIJoe movie toys were still on the shelf. Now this one Brought in Kahn and clearly tried to copy Wrath of Kahn. This story would have been better and stand on it's own rather then add Kahn in. and huge plots holes as well. Why go after kahn's blood when you have 72 other super humans to get blood from. Sorry there's plenty to hit on the JJ Wreck series. ANd I never want to see any ships from that universe in sto EVER.
Star Trek (2009) made $127,764,536 overseas
Star Trek Into Darkness made about $147 million overseas
It's a higher grossing movie in just about any market than other Star Trek movies, even when taking inflation into account. Just because your friend saw some toys in the bargain bin doesn't mean the movie didn't do well.
Also, it's hilarious that you're comparing Star Trek to Transformers or GI Joe -- both of those franchises were made specifically to sell toys, whereas Star Trek was not.
They were some of the best in the business at the time. I'm not sure what your problem with them is? Are 1967 effects dated in 2013? Yeah. Doesn't take away from the fact that Star Trek had some of the best effects put on TV back in its day.
Not all of them.
I'm not following you here. The Section 31 angle was all couched in the first 75% of the film, which was Space Seed. Which is Khan. Have you seen Space Seed? This was Abrams' take on that particular episode.
Like I said, this movie is far more Space Seed than Wrath of Khan.
Either way the Kahn plot WAS NOT NEEDED. And special effects the ships data disks were wood blocks. For scifi it may have been okay but jeeze still not the best seen in tv at the time.
How much of that was the first days before pettering out. whilke the moive may have made money not as much as it could have. Abandoning the core of a franchise for money is not a good idea.
Yes weak handed you just keep arguing with nothing backing you up, people prove you wrong and you just won't take it.
I live in Wales part of the United Kingdom, my closest town is in England, when i go in shops, I could pick up anything at a cut price, Games, Toys, Books, DVD's anything as there are shops who focus in selling products cheap as possible by buying inventory in stupidly high numbers, also the 2009 toys are 4 years old so they would be selling off old stock.
In the countries leading sports shop Nike trainers where 40% off today does that mean they are going to fail in the UK in the next year or so?
Both films smashed the UK box office and if the first film did so bad why did they choose to bring out Into Darkness a week earlier in the UK than in the US?
JJ has said in interviews the New films where purposely set in an alternate universe to preserve what had came before and its message, that's still around and untouched by JJ, If you are so against JJ Trek , don't watch it just hide in what you like!
TOS actors have been on board with JJ, Leonard Nimoy is in both films , he played(/plays) the most know star trek character ever, people who have never seen half an episode of star trek have heard of Spock or "the one with pointy ears" and if someone so iconic in the franchise can back JJ and see what he is doing is helping the brand I think he deserves some credit even if you hate the films.
You can't tell the story of Space Seed without him.
What was better at the time?
By returning to Kirk, Spock, and their friendship ... by returning to the wagon train to the stars, action packed sci-fi adventure show ... they did return to their core as a franchise.
Forget everything involving Picard and later captains.
This is Kirk. Only Kirk's Star Trek.
That is returning to the core.
IT DIDN'T NEED TO BE SPACE SEED THAT'S THE POINT THERE.
Roughly half of Trek fans accept this Wreck (misguided but that's their choice.) And Half figure out what these movies are and reject them. JJ is all action not REAL story. THe best Trek films only had a few actions peices and they did great and are remebered that way JJ Wreck just doesn't messure up.
yeah because Prime Star Trek never recycled ideas
Let us explore it... together. Each man hides a secret pain. It must be exposed and reckoned with. It must be dragged from the darkness and forced into the light. Share your pain. Share your pain with me... and gain strength from the sharing.
That's a weak point. The whole idea of the reboot is to delve into the classic Kirk Star Trek and re-imagine parts of it.
Look, I initially had a similar gut reaction when I saw Into Darkness. I was thinking "Well they didn't need to do that."
Then I realized, they did need to do that. They're not telling new stories yet. They're tapping into the classics. And adding a new spin on them. That's why it's all happening this way. Part of that is to give a wink-wink-nudge-nudge to old fans of TOS (I'd say this far into this discussion we can probably agree that I'm far more a TOS fan than you, so I think the little nods like the 72 people-pedoes, are far more for me than you), and part of it is to get new fans on board with classic Trek tropes.
You keep saying this isn't Trek, but the movie is filled with bits and pieces that are reference to classic TOS. From Tribbles, to the arguing about the Prime Directive, to the expression Chekov has when Kirk tells him to put on a red shirt.
That's all Trek. Just not Picard-Trek. Which I get you are a much bigger fan of. Probably has to do with when you first saw it compared to when I first saw it.
It's ok. There's a ton of amazing stuff in TNG.
But Abrams didn't even touch anything from Picard's era.
He went to Kirk.
And this is what he's making. And it's not all that much different from TOS. You talk about how the stories are better. And sure, City on the Edge of Forever probably is still far more meaningful than Into Darkness.
But Into Darkness is really Space Seed with some TWOK stuff stapled onto the end of it. It holds up as a redo of Space Seed. So if you hate this story, it's either blind rage, or you know, you hate the story of Space Seed. I think it's probably a bit of both. Because TOS seems to not be your thing. Which is fine. Just, you know, realize that the past two movies have quite a lot in common with TOS and do get at the core of what that series was about. So it's not doing anything wrong to "the core of the franchise" like you keep saying it is.
You just don't seem to really like much of the Kirk Star Trek television show. It is old. It is dated. But for me it's always going to be something special. And this movie series brings quite a lot of the Kirk-Spock-Bones interplay back to life. Which is sooooooo Trek it's not even something I should need to defend.
You yourself don't even believe that since you keep talking about the Section 31 angle of Into Darkness. Apparently there is real story in there. Even for you.
Note I AM a TOS fan and so are many of my friends and we all HATE JJ Wreck. admittedly there is a story there but over cast by the action. and I'm sorry while I will like nods to classic trek Kirk Spock switching roles at death is not a nod it's a middle finger to the fans saying this is MY TREK not yours. I easily Prefer Star Trek Continues of this pile of TRIBBLE.
From your posts in this thread and a few others, it's pretty obvious that TOS isn't your favorite show in Trek history. That you keep harping on Into Darkness' Wrath of Khan elements and you know skate over all of the parts of it that were trying to really delve into Space Seed shows that. Your dismissal of its effects and how good they were at the time the show aired shows that. You just don't come off as big a fan of TOS as you do TNG, just going off of what you yourself post about this game.
Again, you're talking about the last 25% of the film that was all Wrath of Khan stuff.
I'm talking about the other 75% of the film, that was all the new take on Space Seed.
TOS episodes. Not TMP-era movies.
Nicholas Meyer already took the kind of heat you're dishing out at Abrams for not being true to the core of the franchise. For the movie Wrath of Khan.
So it's just silly to even go there.
So let's just get right to the point. Have you seen the episode Space Seed? The one that introduced Khan? Because you keep talking about the Wrath of Khan stuff from the film. Which is really the last few beats of the movie. Not the rest of it.
Let us explore it... together. Each man hides a secret pain. It must be exposed and reckoned with. It must be dragged from the darkness and forced into the light. Share your pain. Share your pain with me... and gain strength from the sharing.
Sure there were a few stretches that were made, and I was ok with that.
I think my favorite complaint when the first one came out was about Spock and Uhura... did no-one watch TOS? Uhura and Spock was totally there, lol. Spock just ignored her is all.
I have to agree with snoggymack22.
We're here to discuss about the Dreadnought Ship appeared in "Into Darkness", not to discuss about the film (that i liked).
I liked that ship, to me, it seemed very similar to the Enterprise E.
Just more armored.
Do you think we may see it in the near future ?
I hate the look of the Defiant and the Mogai, but I think its good they have been released.
WHAT?:o This Rom ship have most grace in her feathered wings :eek:
lol, its flying paper sheet:
short, slim and large LOL.
the Scimitar have a great look instead:
with its giant and dreadful wings, its bat-like hull ... *_*
I'm disappointed that they decided to make it a Carrier.
I would have made it like a Science-Escort Hybrid, but I think people don't want it to have something special.
HOWEVER:
What do you think about the "Into Darkness" Dreadnought ?
^^^ THIS !
Spock CRYING ?!, Tapping Uhura ....
The Enterprise on the bottom of the ocean?
On and on.
I know, I know, it's a reboot. And it does entertain, but it also infuriates and old trekker/trekkie sometimes too.
I suppose any Trek is better than no Trek tho.
Cant wait to see what he does with Star Wars ..... :rolleyes:
You can guarantee the millennium falcon will come out of Hyper space into a debris field and you will see the Enterprise go flying past.
Vice Admiral Volmack ISS Thundermole
Brigadier General Jokag IKS Gorkan
Centurion Kares RRW Tomalak
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
It is an alternate reality
It is an alternate reality
It is an alternate reality
...being upset that it's not like TOS is just as dumb as being mad that Mirror Mirror Universe Spock has a goatee.
Let us explore it... together. Each man hides a secret pain. It must be exposed and reckoned with. It must be dragged from the darkness and forced into the light. Share your pain. Share your pain with me... and gain strength from the sharing.
At least Mirror Universe Spock looked like Spock and not Syler of Heroes with pointy ears
Vice Admiral Volmack ISS Thundermole
Brigadier General Jokag IKS Gorkan
Centurion Kares RRW Tomalak
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
some here don't grasp that concept
system Lord Baal is dead
he will nail it and the reason i say this because that's all his star trek is is star wars with a star trek sink
system Lord Baal is dead
Star Trek was a dead franchise before J.J. got a hold of it.
While Into Darkness showed lack of originality, the 2009 film wasn't too shabby. It put Star Trek back onto peoples' radars.
So, yeah. J.J. virtually breathed new life into the franchise.
he laughed that his friends found JJ verse toys in the bargain basket...could you even buy a Star Trek toy in stores before the 2009 movie came out?
Let us explore it... together. Each man hides a secret pain. It must be exposed and reckoned with. It must be dragged from the darkness and forced into the light. Share your pain. Share your pain with me... and gain strength from the sharing.
I wonder how many who slate JJ's take on things read the Various ST novels, the Vesta is considered Canon, has it appeared on screen.... did the novelist have the actress who played Ezri, going through her lines with him as her wrote her parts.. or was it just THERE idea of a portrayal.
In short Canon is whats the media everybody has or could have watched. Beyond that its subjective opinion and a cult niche market you can exploit for profit, er supply original works extrapolated from the original Canon which does not make any of it Canon.
Suck up the reality, this game itself is case in point. If CANON is all your after you should stop playing STO, its merely BASED on the the ideas of the Great Bird of the Galaxy. Only using the background Roddenberry established, and more than a nod in the direction of the films everyone hates!!!. He died in the early 90's anything after that could never have his seal of approval/ or rebuttal.. so why pick out JJ, I think the misguided ham fisted Temporal War ala Enterprise did more damage then anything you could say about JJ.
With CANON all your left with is TOS the first 6 films and TNG rerun's and should shut yourself off from anything else ever done.
CANON purists are hypocrites, how many rate DS9 the best series, with its kick TRIBBLE war, edgy politics and intrigue, social commentary... That was after Roddenberry died, so how's that Canon??? Or have copies of every ST book ever written and consider it Canon.
Unless your getting a yay or nay from the original creator of an adventure series, after that it's pretty much been made in the hopes you can be entertained and will spend money on it.
Right now the only canon are the JJ ST films as he can say if its his idea of what he has imagined or people just using it to make a quick buck.