The Disheveled State of Costumes

miramortale

As someone who takes great joy from collecting, and putting together a huge wardrobe of outfits... I must say, I'm glad I've had my T'Varro to distract me. Yes. Roaming the stars, taking out my fashion frustration on poor, unsuspecting Tholians, and Borg... as I laugh while flinging red spheres of doom, quoting from "Masque of the Red Death".

..But I digress. Let us look at the absolute chaos, that is the current world of character outfits in STO.



The following are bugs I've observed, experienced, and read about since LoR went live..

1.Costume slots that cannot be worn, or edited. These are outfits that have been previously created, and for some reason, after a beam out, get switched to the default costume. Then the costume you had been wearing can no longer be worn or edited.
This happens several times, to the end that only one or two of your costumes can be worn. For those of us that opted to get many costume slots, this is of great annoyance.

2.Reputation armors can no longer be worn. Of note, I have heard cases where Omega, and Bortasqu, once purchased, cannot be worn. ...Having heard this, I have ceased my efforts to obtain these outfits until this is fixed. Really. What's the point? I just feel bad for those who spent the time, and effort to get these outfits.


The following are problems that may be bugs, mis-sights, or intentional limitations that make no sense.

1. Romulans may not wear eyepatches. Romulans may not wear any head-tech. They may not have facial hair (though stubble seems just fine). Alien-Roms may wear TOS earrings, but not Roms (uh, really?)

2. Colour palettes for Romulans make no discernible sense at all. Some costume pieces have a full palette, some have a mid range palette, and some are limited to the drab, KDF palette. There is no rhyme or reason to which pieces get which palette. In some cases, pieces from the same outfit (Rom TOS, for instance) have different palettes. In some cases palettes available to characters are not available to bridge officers (again, Rom TOS for instance).


The following are ongoing issues that have never been explained, and may be mis-sights or intentional.

1. KDF have an appallingly small number (one? ...two?) of costumes available in the cash shop compared to FEDs (who have what.. a dozen or more?). KDF can't even use the nondescript, off-duty robes.
Please, if you're not going to give the KDF more love, at the very least make future cash shop outfits wearable by ALL factions.

2. There is no complete TOS outfit for KDF, and the few costume pieces offered, aren't quite right. ...Where are the knee high boots? Where are the subtly striped tunics?

3. KDF dusters (long coats). When?

4. KDF hair. When did all Klingons become Rastafarians? We need many more hair options for KDF. Also allowing options for TOS style Klingons.

5. KDF aligned colour palettes.. Why, in the name of Spock's jockey shorts, are Orion courtesan outfits limited to the drab, KDF palette? Where do they buy their lingerie? Victoria's Military Surplus?

6. Speaking of Orion outfits.. Why can't they wear boots with the bare legs option? (much like the tailor, Lyss, does on Ganalda Station) What possible reason could their be for this limitation? ..It's a madhouse. A madhouse, I tell you!



...Anyway. I'm sure there are points I missed.
Please, though. Can we at least get the obvious bugs fixed though? I know, I know. There's a lot to fix right now. ..Just a reminder, some of us like to look our best when saving the galaxy.

teknesia

KDF options do suck.

Come on Cryptic... it's all about the money.

naevius

Truly, the tailor is in a bad state right now. I wouldn't mind seeing a dev blog on just costumes - known bugs, what is getting fixed, what is considered 'working as designed.'

mandoknight89

miramortale wrote: »

1.Costume slots that cannot be worn, or edited. These are outfits that have been previously created, and for some reason, after a beam out, get switched to the default costume. Then the costume you had been wearing can no longer be worn or edited.
This happens several times, to the end that only one or two of your costumes can be worn. For those of us that opted to get many costume slots, this is of great annoyance.

Weirdly, I've had my costume slots refunded when it happened.

miramortale wrote: »

2.Reputation armors can no longer be worn. Of note, I have heard cases where Omega, and Bortasqu, once purchased, cannot be worn. ...Having heard this, I have ceased my efforts to obtain these outfits until this is fixed. Really. What's the point? I just feel bad for those who spent the time, and effort to get these outfits.

Perhaps (oh, please!) they're holding off working STF armor outfits for Romulans until they finish a set of Romulan-only designs that will unlock for both Fed and KDF aligned Romulans.

miramortale wrote: »

6. Speaking of Orion outfits.. Why can't they wear boots with the bare legs option? (much like the tailor, Lyss, does on Ganalda Station) What possible reason could their be for this limitation? ..It's a madhouse. A madhouse, I tell you!

They can't wear sandals with the Lobi skirts, either.

tucker84

I would like to add one tiny thing. I bought the Warrior's Decorated Skirt for my orion, and I cannot wear it with orion sandals, just with those klingon boots. The funny thing is, the orion ankle jewel (sorry I don't know the proper name), is available (which of course won't fit with those big boots).

Edit.: Sorry, I see now that Mandoknight89 mentiond this as well.

The other thing is with the romulans. Too many outfit restrictions- even with their own clothes, not to mention the ally's and the boffs.

Cryptic: Please we need more outfits/ uniforms for KDF, and Romulan/ Reman side.

In my opinion it totally makes sense to let the players customize their characters with the mix of all of one side's options (FED, or KDF, or ROM+ alliance). In this way everyone could make a more uniqe character/ boffs, and i think that is what everybody always wants in a game.

lan451

I agree with everything in this thread. What's the point of saving the galaxy if you don't look good doing it?

Oh and since beards for Romulans was brought up again...

Support beards on Romulans TODAY!

BEARDS FOR ALL



















What? You guys didn't think I was actually going to stay out of a Beards for Romulans thread did you? Haha.

azniadeet

"Boots Soft" are not available for male toons anymore! Also, and this is an old issue, I miss my TOS-era nerf-foam Gorn head.

I'm not one to complain a lot about Cryptic, since I try to stay positive about the great job they've done with STO. So, I really hope that this isn't taken as more rage about the game... but the Tailor and costume consistency problems are pretty severe. Color palates change from item to item, character to character. Costume pieces that should absolutely be available on all characters are not. Costume options that used to be available (soft boots) are just gone for certain characters now. Color option changes on one article of clothing often change the colors on different articles simultaneously (especially with the Korath lobi uniform, and many Romulan uniforms).

And lastly, exchange officers, Diplomatic officers, etc... should REALLY have the option to wear the uniform of the faction with which they're serving. E.G: With my FED crew, my Gorn diplomatic exhange BOFF should be able to wear a starfleet uniform. With my Romulan crew, my starfleet vet reward Android BOFF should be able to wear a Romulan uniform. With my KDF crew, my Breen BOFF should be able to wear a KDF uniform over his body with his helmet sticking out the top (much like the Breen prisoner in 4028 wearing the prisoner geddup). This is near the top of my list of complaints for STO. Uniformity among my crew is very important.

But all in all, STO is moving forward nicely. I just wish some of these problems would be addressed. Real customization of characters is very important to us. It is what gives the community members a sense of individualism. I just wish we had the freedom to make the characters exactly as we should be able to.

miramortale

Also forgot to mention the silliness that is kits... Though I think I read somewhere that they're redesigning how kit visuals will work.

I certainly don't expect everything to be addressed at once.. Though as Naevius pointed out, a dev blog on what the deal is would be awfully nice.
...And a word from someone that they at least acknowledge the costume slot bug, and are doing something about it would ease my dismay.

jeffel82

Lots of legitimate issues in this thread. The one that bugs me the most is - always has been, really - the colour palettes. Not only the mismatched palettes seen on the Romulan Republic side (TOS uniforms being the perfect example), but the limitations on the KDF side as well (all I ever wanted was to dress my Orion in green...).

badname834854

I am BOGGLED that the Privateer uniforms aren't wearable by the KDF and Romulans, in their entirety! Aside from the fact that they make sense in terms of a Klingon aesthetic, they are seen being worn by KLINGON NPC'S!!!!!

I'm guessing part of the reason the color/texture palettes don't match is that we have different artists working on things at different times.

The quick and OBVIOUS fix for this is to simply OPEN UP THE COLOR WHEEL.

Done. Fixed.

atrobot

Romulans may not wear eyepatches.

This needs to be fixed. I actually bought the Klingon Academy pack in order to use the eyepatch on my Rom (the description says that it's for "all characters"). I'm not too mad since this is probably just an oversight and I'm starting a KDF character anyway, but still, get on it Cryptic. Surely it's just a flag that needs to be set, it's not like the character models are any different.

methodus2063

I actually had an idea to help solve many of these problems. here is my thread.
http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=740381

wraithshadow13

Is there any way we could get that Neck line addressed as well? I know it's not a bug, but having ALL the custom skins end at the neck like they do really kills the more open uniforms, so two years into the game and a new faction out, it would be nice if they could go back and make them work better with the newer uniforms.

vestereng

AND

Omega/HG/Maco optional outfit remains 100% blocked since december. (just like the flamethrower).

WAIT ?

Working As InTended.

talien

It bugs me that my Nausicaan, Gorn, and male Orion diplo boffs can wear Fed boots, but my female Orion is limited to the bulky KDF boots and sandals.

But the #1 biggest issue with the tailor.....KDF MARAUDING BOFFS STILL CAN'T BE EDITED.

onyxheart1

idk i was able to access my Omega outfit after unlocking it in Omega Rep. i just created a new outfit and from the head customization i switched to armor and was able to set it up fine.

i do agree this stuff needs to be implemented, it's high time the tailor got a revamp

vestereng

Doesn't change the fact when you buy just the armor and equip it, you are supposed to be wearing the template ground set armor.

That doesn't work for me, plus I have 3 set pieces - have no unlock project and have no options in the tailor clicked through everything.

/edit.

PS. not only is it bugged on my romulan character but other characters who used to have omgea outfit working fine are now blocked from wearing it.

z3ndor99

Well it seems the sad fact is costumes are not even on the list of "things we could do but can't be bothered", i fully support everything on this thread! How many years have players seen npc's with unique costume options, i mean there's a command line that unlocks all possible options and combinations for boffs.... its there! Come unleash true customization let us create and have fun!!

erei1

Don't think anyone mentioned it, but last time I checked, the female Romulan can't use the Romulan tatoo. Makes sense.

azniadeet

Another problem I just found: Yesterday's Enterprise belts are not available on Reman BOFFs.

miramortale

erei1 wrote: »

Don't think anyone mentioned it, but last time I checked, the female Romulan can't use the Romulan tatoo. Makes sense.

I don't know if it's canon, but in the comics leading up to the destruction of Romulus, there's a woman on Nero's ship who does get the tattoo.

Truth be told, denying female characters facial tats is rather sexist. ...Though I suppose it's also sexist that male characters can't wear earring sets or skirts.

nadiezja

Also? That Reman BOff. The one from the Featured Episode series.

Could we get editing unlocked on him? There's now Reman parts in the game.

And the Marauding BOffs. What exactly is broken on them?

xelene13

Lending my support for more costume options and a more varied color palette for the KDF/universal.

ccarmichael07

I'd like to add that I feel the options for using allied uniforms and uniform pieces, is horrendous.

We can't use Romulan pieces on Fed/KDF bridge officers, and on our Romulans, we can only use about 20% of the pieces available from our chosen faction.

If we are forced to make a choice, then why not open up the complete uniform cache for our chosen faction, for all officers in our crew, as well as opening up the Romulan uniform cache to those "exchange" officers we take aboard our ship!

Furthermore...

TWOK Uniform. Fix it. Please!!!

- The pants are not right. (insufficient "bell bottom" flare at the pants cuff)

- The rank insignia is not metallic, hovers crooked over the strap, and is limited to Captain, rather than using the correct era specific rank insignias.

- No detailing for flag officers. (gold trim)

One final thing...

Please open up the use of all rank insignia types and all communicator types for all uniform top options.

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I had really hoped in Cryptic's "revamp" of the Character Creator, they would have spent some time fixing the myriad of issues in uniforms, not just giving us a new UI for the CC, which I'm not even sure is better than what we had before.

bwleon7

ANd yet another thing I miss about "city of heroes". That game had a dev that pretty much only worked on the costumes that npcs and players could wear. He would regularly check the forums and many costume items we suggested made it to the game. I miss you Sexy Jay

lucianazeta

bwleon7 wrote: »

ANd yet another thing I miss about "city of heroes". That game had a dev that pretty much only worked on the costumes that npcs and players could wear. He would regularly check the forums and many costume items we suggested made it to the game. I miss you Sexy Jay

Which is funny because Cryptic made CoH.

ccarmichael07 wrote: »

If we are forced to make a choice, then why not open up the complete uniform cache for our chosen faction, for all officers in our crew, as well as opening up the Romulan uniform cache to those "exchange" officers we take aboard our ship!

I don't want Fed uniforms to even be unlocked on my Romulan, because I'm not a Fed, I'm a Romulan. >.>

nadiezja

I would like to have my own faction's uniform unlocked for all officers on my ship, in addition to the uniforms of their home faction. That way, if I want, my Orion diplomacy officer or my Fed Alien liason officer can be flavored as a member of Starfleet/the Republic military.

miramortale

I dont mind that you can't use all of your allied faction outfits. ...There have to be some benefits to going Fed, or KDF from the start. ...Otherwise everyone would just roll Romulans.

What I do mind is the shear, senselessness of what is allowed, and what is not. There's no rhyme or reason to it. Fed aligned have access to practically none of the Fed costume pieces (including skirts.. while the splash screen for faction choice clearly shows the Fed allied Romulan wearing one).
KDF aligned Roms have access to almost all the KDF pieces (for what that's worth. ...Not like the KDF wardrobe is anywhere near as extensive as the Fed one)

...It makes the rules of Fizbin look purely reasonable.


Edit- I do agree, though.. Bridge officers should, at the very least be able to wear the all the uniforms of the character's faction.
Cripes.. Worf wore a Starfleet Uniform like every other officer on the Enterprise. ...It's not like they said, "Hey, wait! You're a Klingon! ...No pajamas for you! You can only wear KISS boots, and leather!"

lucianazeta

miramortale wrote: »

I dont mind that you can't use all of your allied faction outfits. ...There have to be some benefits to going Fed, or KDF from the start. ...Otherwise everyone would just roll Romulans.

What I do mind is the shear, senselessness of what is allowed, and what is not. There's no rhyme or reason to it. Fed aligned have access to practically none of the Fed costume pieces (including skirts.. while the splash screen for faction choice clearly shows the Fed allied Romulan wearing one).
KDF aligned Roms have access to almost all the KDF pieces (for what that's worth. ...Not like the KDF wardrobe is anywhere near as extensive as the Fed one)

...It makes the rules of Fizbin look purely reasonable.


Edit- I do agree, though.. Bridge officers should, at the very least be able to wear the all the uniforms of the character's faction.
Cripes.. Worf wore a Starfleet Uniform like every other officer on the Enterprise. ...It's not like they said, "Hey, wait! You're a Klingon! ...No pajamas for you! You can only wear KISS boots, and leather!"

I do want the ability to put Fed BOFFs in the uniform of MY faction, but not for my Romulan and Romulan BOFFs to have the full Fed wardrobe, as my char is not a Fed.

If I have Fed BOFFs serving on a Romulan ship, I want them in Romulan uniforms, same on my Fed with reputation and embassy BOFFs, I want them possibly in Fed uniforms as they serve on a Fed ship.

jeffel82

lucianazeta wrote: »

I don't want Fed uniforms to even be unlocked on my Romulan, because I'm not a Fed, I'm a Romulan. >.>

I don't think you'd be forced to wear them.

talien

lucianazeta wrote: »

I don't want Fed uniforms to even be unlocked on my Romulan, because I'm not a Fed, I'm a Romulan. >.>

If a Romulan wants to wear a Federation or KDF uniform in order to "foster relations" with their chosen ally then they should be able to do so. The option should be there so people can choose whether or not to use it.

Totally agree on being able to put cross faction boffs in your own faction outfits, there's no concrete reason for not being able to do so.

Not totally related to costumes but I find it amusing that armor visuals are permanently disabled for KDF, Romulan, and Reman players/boffs, but if you have a KDF, Romulan, or Reman boff on a Fed character the armor magically displays if you enable it just like for normal Federation boffs.