they trying to tempt me back to WoT eh? i told the community in the general chat on that game that i was not coming back because it became too annoying to deal with. not from any player, was that it took forever to get anything done right. i doubt that will change because they wrote up a few lines of text.
if WoT is serious about changing number 1 on the list is to do away with the cash store completely and introduce all the premium stuff into the game on a simple system, two currency methods. one is the standard the other one takes more time to do but earned in game 100% of the time, such as these premium tanks worth 2500 gold each, each match produces 10 gold besides the standard silver coins and experience. although it will take a while to get the tank you want, its a way of gaining what you want and since it takes an age to reach the more higher teir tanks anyway, its no likely to change anything on that end.
Assuming ofcouse that Cryptic catch on, it wouldnt be hard to introduce these lock box ships and make lobi a mission reward addition to credits xp and skill points.
T6 Miranda Hero Ship FTW. Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
We all know what should happen, all P2W stuff should go out the window and stay there because the game is just not fun when its so unbalanced. However this is impossible for Cryptic to do now unless they just simply delete all the lockbox ships in the game...
I would LOVE to see all the pro-Cryptic junkies turn on them if they did that and replaced their ships with a less powerful version. Lockbox ships have been a cancer of this game is F2P and we all saw this coming... We knew it was going to happen.
The problem is, now because of the players stupidity in buying these things, Cryptic have gone mad to make as much money as possible. Its the players that have damaged the game so much by giving Cryptic completely the wrong signals so much so that to change now would kill this game.
Well done players... through buying Cryptic's stuff... you have effectively overseen the demise of this game in the future... you are the cancer of STO.
Cryptic are like a dog, you don't give a dog a bone when they TRIBBLE on your carpet. You seem to think they do... eventually the dog learns and improves... its the same way with companies.
I'm offended to be termed a cancer. Supporting the community, the game, the devs and the company is a positive thing that helps to prolong the life of a game and allow us all to have enjoyable entertainment.
Cancer is a negative thing that does nothing positive for the body it infests.
Sort of like your hating on the community, hating on the company and hating on the game.
Those are all negatives...sort of like what cancer is. Perhaps it is your opinion and posting that is the cancer infesting the community.
played plenty of f2p games in the last 5 years...STO's f2p model is still the best imho.
If you play the game, and use 10% of your 10% active brain, you need not spend a dime, unless you want stuff the fast way.
patience and a sense for resource management can bring you far in this game and in life, btw.
Why people keep defending PWE is beyond me. They care about one thing: Money. They will nickel and dime you as long and for as much as they can.
If you can't see they are doing that to you in this game, you are absolutely blind.
PWE is not that bad when it comes to F2P models. Want to see a Western company that really does nickel and dime their F2P game to death? Go play EA/BioWare's "Star Wars the Old Republic"
Compared to them, PWE/Cryptic is giving away a lot of free things for just playing STO.
Formerly known as Armsman from June 2008 to June 20, 2012 PWE ARC Drone says: "Your STO forum community as you have known it is ended...Display names are irrelevant...Any further sense of community is irrelevant...Resistance is futile...You will be assimilated..."
Well now, this is very interesting. One of the reasons I never played WoT is because I was told how bad the pay to win was and that I was better off not playing at all if I couldn't afford anything. Because of that I never paid much attention to WoT or Wargaming as a whole, but this move tell me that I should re-evaluate that decision. Thanks for sharing this.
WoT is loads of fun. You don't have to spend a dime on it.
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STO Forum member since before February 2010. STO Academy's excellent skill planner here: Link I actually avoid success entirely. It doesn't get me what I want, and the consequences for failure are slim. -- markhawman
If you don't think there's any value in balancing encounters, levels, or missions, then you must just not believe in game design, or something. I'm not even sure what to say to that.
Yes, you don't have to spend a dime on it in the same way you don't need to spend a dime in STO. It's the same story, different game. :rolleyes:
Not at all. Unless of course you like throwing money at other tanks.
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STO Forum member since before February 2010. STO Academy's excellent skill planner here: Link I actually avoid success entirely. It doesn't get me what I want, and the consequences for failure are slim. -- markhawman
What item in STO is considered an "I WIN" item? What piece of gear, ship, console or device on the Z-store automatically makes you better than anyone else? Is there any specific item that can only be bought for cash, not Zen(which can be earned thru the dilithium exchange)?
There's absolutely no reason why you would load all gold rounds. Thats literally overkill. (Well, overpen... but still). Also, its perfectly possible to load all "gold rounds" even playing as a free player. Its not very efficient with your credits, but seriously, the only way a "paying" play can get an advantage over a "free" player is if the "free" player is incredibly inefficient. In that case, they're both wasting resources, but the "paying" player has more resources than the "free" player. Its true that, in THAT case, yea, you can "pay to win" but... seriously... thats not the company setting pay to win, that's you refusing to win unless you pay.
As for cryptic's p2w... i actually think its not too bad right now. Zen at about 115dil at 8k refinment is a little expensive, imo. I liked it better when zen was at 100dil/zen. But this isn't too bad. It was really bad when the game first went f2p and it was like, 250dil/zen. During those days, the Odyssey/borty was overpowered and was 2.5k zen... so it was p2w. These days, the c-store ships have their weaknesses, (although the fleet ships have taken their places... and are actually more expensive due to requiring fleet credit) and zen is obtainable for everyone... IMO.
As for the "premium tanks"... yea they're actually weaker than equivalent "credit" tanks. They're definately not "pay to win".
lol@ppl complaining about cryptic selling stuff. do you think this game is government subsidized or something? you play for free and if other ppl didnt pay to play... you wouldn't have a game to play.
Its like sitting on welfare when your capable of working and complaining about the other guy having a nicer house then you, the guy who's taxes fund your lazy asses welfare check.
But you're completely right. IF I CANT HAVE IT HE SHOULDNT BE ABLE TO HAVE IT EITHER WAAAH WAHHH WAHHH
lol@ppl complaining about cryptic selling stuff. do you think this game is government subsidized or something? you play for free and if other ppl didnt pay to play... you wouldn't have a game to play.
Its like sitting on welfare when your capable of working and complaining about the other guy having a nicer house then you, the guy who's taxes fund your lazy asses welfare check.
But you're completely right. IF I CANT HAVE IT HE SHOULDNT BE ABLE TO HAVE IT EITHER WAAAH WAHHH WAHHH
This^ This^ and more This^
Seriously.... MMOs aren't charities, expecting to get everything for free is ludicrous.
And the WoT thing sounds like the game is about to die..... It sounds to me like the devs just decided to let people have as much fun as they can while it lasts a little longer. Seriously... their announcement doesn't sound dire at first glance, but it doesn't make sense in and of itself. It sounds to me like they're trying to boost their player numbers.
What item in STO is considered an "I WIN" item? What piece of gear, ship, console or device on the Z-store automatically makes you better than anyone else? Is there any specific item that can only be bought for cash, not Zen(which can be earned thru the dilithium exchange)?
Everybody can get 1-2 items, its the people with a full load-out of c-store/lobi items that are the P2W players.
There's absolutely no reason why you would load all gold rounds. Thats literally overkill. (Well, overpen... but still). Also, its perfectly possible to load all "gold rounds" even playing as a free player. Its not very efficient with your credits, but seriously, the only way a "paying" play can get an advantage over a "free" player is if the "free" player is incredibly inefficient. In that case, they're both wasting resources, but the "paying" player has more resources than the "free" player. Its true that, in THAT case, yea, you can "pay to win" but... seriously... thats not the company setting pay to win, that's you refusing to win unless you pay.
As for cryptic's p2w... i actually think its not too bad right now. Zen at about 115dil at 8k refinment is a little expensive, imo. I liked it better when zen was at 100dil/zen. But this isn't too bad. It was really bad when the game first went f2p and it was like, 250dil/zen. During those days, the Odyssey/borty was overpowered and was 2.5k zen... so it was p2w. These days, the c-store ships have their weaknesses, (although the fleet ships have taken their places... and are actually more expensive due to requiring fleet credit) and zen is obtainable for everyone... IMO.
As for the "premium tanks"... yea they're actually weaker than equivalent "credit" tanks. They're definately not "pay to win".
with that t34 laying about with gold rounds, even a tog2 isnt immune to gold shell spam. my favorite is that ugly hetzer hull down with gold rounds, that thing can kill anything at reasonable range in no real time at all and take no real damage from similar tanks fro mthe same weight class. some of the most difficult opponents i ran across including a developer who had a competition rewarding 500 gold per dev kill all died to gold shell spam. but gold spam doesnt work for arty tanks unfortunately, and before the nerf that t57 of mine could rip out 10 players in one match at times in t1-t4 fights.
i find 130 dilithium per zen quite expensive, and 115 is significantly better. im glad the oddy was nuked, the damned thing back in the day it was launched had a shield that was so hard to break through in a pvp fight.
T6 Miranda Hero Ship FTW. Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
WoT doesn't hold a candle to STO, and I love it to death. Mostly due to variety of items/ways to expand, the exchange, and the fact starships are harder to realize on computer than space. However sometimes I am quite sure the current owners of STO have no idea of the potential they're missing out on. Patching a new/mod engine specifically for STO and/or changing the way ships handle (escorts max turn should be slower like current cruisers etc) most weapons in general look just plain messy shooting. The damage gap between lieutenant to admiral is laughable. tier 1 ships should have just as much a point in this game as a tier 5 fleet ship. the idea of 'lesser' quality ships is a joke! i'm telling you gimme all your money to buy this game, turn it around, sell it back to em' double the price! it'll be making 10x more money by then however..
oh yeah and World of Battleships is coming, hold those players close STO!!!!
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Not at all. Unless of course you like throwing money at other tanks.
You missed my point. I'm saying that STO and WoT are actually more similar in their payment system than one would think. Therefore, if you think WoT doesn't have p2w, then STO certainly doesn't either. The opposite is also true.
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if WoT is serious about changing number 1 on the list is to do away with the cash store completely and introduce all the premium stuff into the game on a simple system, two currency methods. one is the standard the other one takes more time to do but earned in game 100% of the time, such as these premium tanks worth 2500 gold each, each match produces 10 gold besides the standard silver coins and experience. although it will take a while to get the tank you want, its a way of gaining what you want and since it takes an age to reach the more higher teir tanks anyway, its no likely to change anything on that end.
Assuming ofcouse that Cryptic catch on, it wouldnt be hard to introduce these lock box ships and make lobi a mission reward addition to credits xp and skill points.
Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
I am Ready too... !
I'm offended to be termed a cancer. Supporting the community, the game, the devs and the company is a positive thing that helps to prolong the life of a game and allow us all to have enjoyable entertainment.
Cancer is a negative thing that does nothing positive for the body it infests.
Sort of like your hating on the community, hating on the company and hating on the game.
Those are all negatives...sort of like what cancer is. Perhaps it is your opinion and posting that is the cancer infesting the community.
If you play the game, and use 10% of your 10% active brain, you need not spend a dime, unless you want stuff the fast way.
patience and a sense for resource management can bring you far in this game and in life, btw.
PWE is not that bad when it comes to F2P models. Want to see a Western company that really does nickel and dime their F2P game to death? Go play EA/BioWare's "Star Wars the Old Republic"
Compared to them, PWE/Cryptic is giving away a lot of free things for just playing STO.
PWE ARC Drone says: "Your STO forum community as you have known it is ended...Display names are irrelevant...Any further sense of community is irrelevant...Resistance is futile...You will be assimilated..."
WoT is loads of fun. You don't have to spend a dime on it.
STO Forum member since before February 2010.
STO Academy's excellent skill planner here: Link
I actually avoid success entirely. It doesn't get me what I want, and the consequences for failure are slim. -- markhawman
Yes, you don't have to spend a dime on it in the same way you don't need to spend a dime in STO. It's the same story, different game. :rolleyes:
That sounds like a personal problem, to me.
If you don't think there's any value in balancing encounters, levels, or missions, then you must just not believe in game design, or something. I'm not even sure what to say to that.
HAHAHA!
But seriously, that wasn't very nice.
Not at all. Unless of course you like throwing money at other tanks.
STO Forum member since before February 2010.
STO Academy's excellent skill planner here: Link
I actually avoid success entirely. It doesn't get me what I want, and the consequences for failure are slim. -- markhawman
As for cryptic's p2w... i actually think its not too bad right now. Zen at about 115dil at 8k refinment is a little expensive, imo. I liked it better when zen was at 100dil/zen. But this isn't too bad. It was really bad when the game first went f2p and it was like, 250dil/zen. During those days, the Odyssey/borty was overpowered and was 2.5k zen... so it was p2w. These days, the c-store ships have their weaknesses, (although the fleet ships have taken their places... and are actually more expensive due to requiring fleet credit) and zen is obtainable for everyone... IMO.
As for the "premium tanks"... yea they're actually weaker than equivalent "credit" tanks. They're definately not "pay to win".
Its like sitting on welfare when your capable of working and complaining about the other guy having a nicer house then you, the guy who's taxes fund your lazy asses welfare check.
But you're completely right. IF I CANT HAVE IT HE SHOULDNT BE ABLE TO HAVE IT EITHER WAAAH WAHHH WAHHH
Seriously.... MMOs aren't charities, expecting to get everything for free is ludicrous.
And the WoT thing sounds like the game is about to die..... It sounds to me like the devs just decided to let people have as much fun as they can while it lasts a little longer. Seriously... their announcement doesn't sound dire at first glance, but it doesn't make sense in and of itself. It sounds to me like they're trying to boost their player numbers.
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with that t34 laying about with gold rounds, even a tog2 isnt immune to gold shell spam. my favorite is that ugly hetzer hull down with gold rounds, that thing can kill anything at reasonable range in no real time at all and take no real damage from similar tanks fro mthe same weight class. some of the most difficult opponents i ran across including a developer who had a competition rewarding 500 gold per dev kill all died to gold shell spam. but gold spam doesnt work for arty tanks unfortunately, and before the nerf that t57 of mine could rip out 10 players in one match at times in t1-t4 fights.
i find 130 dilithium per zen quite expensive, and 115 is significantly better. im glad the oddy was nuked, the damned thing back in the day it was launched had a shield that was so hard to break through in a pvp fight.
Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
oh yeah and World of Battleships is coming, hold those players close STO!!!!
cause sometimes its party time!
You missed my point. I'm saying that STO and WoT are actually more similar in their payment system than one would think. Therefore, if you think WoT doesn't have p2w, then STO certainly doesn't either. The opposite is also true.