What would be fun is a bunch of fleet Voquv's drain builds droping acetons, spamming siphon drones everywhere, running enegry siphon, spamming other science powers.
Am I cheating because I ran EPtA before they broke it and continue to use it now that it's broken? Keep in mind my entire build, including doffs, warpcore, sci consoles, eng consoles, deflector, and additional boff abilities revolve around EPtA. So I'm expected to change my entire build because Cryptic broke something (again)?
Very few were doing that - EptA was not used that much - not like AtB
Now it's being spammed by every Fed(and lots of Kdf) like its crazy.
It's a exploit that half the people PvP are using now it seems - it's rampent. The rage fest when other exploits were affecting mostly Feds was so loud they could hear it around the world - like the 2 shield exploit and many others.
I have no problem with people running EPTA because it is part of a build. Heck, even before, and even now with LoR, I was running EPTA 1 on my D'kora build.
But the issue I have with all this is people who are willingly running EPTA 1, and they are using it ONLY to detect cloakers and abuse the broken aspect of it because it is getting them easy kills.
I don't have an issue with more cloaking tech all around, or more detection because of EPTA. That's not a problem IMO. I like needing to be more strategic about my cloaking, and such.
Yet dealing with the fact that anyone and everyone can, will, and does see cloakers from a huge way out is extremely irking.
Plus, this bug pretty much renders any actual dedicated snoopers moot until this is fixed.
I remain empathetic to the concerns of my community, but do me a favor and lay off the god damn name calling and petty remarks. It will get you nowhere.
I must admit, respect points to Trendy for laying down the law like that.
Plus, this bug pretty much renders any actual dedicated snoopers moot until this is fixed.
Nothing a Snooper can do comes anywhere near close to what EPtA1 provides.
You could sport a Jem Deflector Mk XII, have 5x Embassy Probe Mk XII, 9 in Sensors, have both Nebby consoles, grab all the gear you want...pop Sensor Scan...and it will not come anywhere near what EPtA1 is providing in its broken state.
EPtA1 is well over 250x as powerful as everything else you could do combined.
Nothing a Snooper can do comes anywhere near close to what EPtA1 provides.
You could sport a Jem Deflector Mk XII, have 5x Embassy Probe Mk XII, 9 in Sensors, have both Nebby consoles, grab all the gear you want...pop Sensor Scan...and it will not come anywhere near what EPtA1 is providing in its broken state.
EPtA1 is well over 250x as powerful as everything else you could do combined.
Yup, you can run EPtA1 with no points in sensors or any other boosts to sensors and see cloaked ships 20km out. I know, because I do this. I have run EPtA for quite some time and will continue to do so, but in its current state I think it detects a lot further than it should. You cloakers are just lucky I'm not running this in my Wells Torp Boat any more....hmmm...nah.
They had said that the Season after LoR would be light...because everybody had been working so hard...and would be going on vacation.
I seem to recall something to that effect being said.. but I want to say it was by other devs on another game. Either way, slowing down after their hype machine got all the mileage they could out of LoR would be a huge mistake. This would be their chance to show everyone that the little cryptic that never quite could was finally gone. But then that's what a businessman would think in order to grow the business, there are downsides and upsides to no one at Cryptic being the owners anymore.
If this issue with EPTA was in fact the reverse, and was giving a gigantic amount of stealth to anyone using a cloak (similar to how Romulan BOFFs originally worked), the issue would probably be WAY larger than it is now. There would probably be heaps of complaints about how any cloaked ship is undetectable, etc etc.
I remain empathetic to the concerns of my community, but do me a favor and lay off the god damn name calling and petty remarks. It will get you nowhere.
I must admit, respect points to Trendy for laying down the law like that.
EPtA is broken - it was broken and supposedly fixed on Tribble, but in any case a dev stated that it was definitely broken. Unfortunately, I'm sure this is low on the priority list.
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No - i could but With Aux at 120 and steath skill at 800 I did not think it would do much good.
Point is - it's seriously broken - making cloaking useless - my T'Varo and B'rel are now obsolete.
Who looks into these Broken game mechanics? Borticus? Can anyone let him know?
I bet it there was a bug that my sci skill knocked an escorts weapons offline for 100 seconds instead of 10 - there would be a riot going on here.
Understandably, this cloak thing is a right PITA.
What I will say though, stop crying about escorts ffs, I think anyone would be pretty pi*sed no matter what ship they were in if their offensive damage got took away from them for 100 seconds.
Understandably, this cloak thing is a right PITA.
What I will say though, stop crying about escorts ffs, I think anyone would be pretty pi*sed no matter what ship they were in if their offensive damage got took away from them for 100 seconds.
Relax a bit, he was giving an example. You are right that anyone would be pissed if they were unable to do much of anything for a long period of time in space...which can happen with a buffed Graviton pulse. But relax on him mentioning escorts, his point more seemed to be that if it affected a more...vocal portion of the player-base, this would be a more pronounced issue.
And cloaking is just a unique tactical advantage. Nothing more, nothing less. It is far far from an I-win button at all. You get stealth, and become harder to see, along with having a short buff when you de-cloak, that is ALL.
As it stands now, with this EPTA bug, any and all benefits of cloak are wholy negated because of it. Any usage is wholy negated because EVERYONE can see you from a ridiculous ways away, something that should not be possible.
I said in another thread that this would be a much more loud issue if EPTA was instead giving a huge amount of bonus stealth instead, because people would hate having to play against 'perfect cloak'.
I remain empathetic to the concerns of my community, but do me a favor and lay off the god damn name calling and petty remarks. It will get you nowhere.
I must admit, respect points to Trendy for laying down the law like that.
Relax a bit, he was giving an example. You are right that anyone would be pissed if they were unable to do much of anything for a long period of time in space...which can happen with a buffed Graviton pulse. But relax on him mentioning escorts, his point more seemed to be that if it affected a more...vocal portion of the player-base, this would be a more pronounced issue.
And cloaking is just a unique tactical advantage. Nothing more, nothing less. It is far far from an I-win button at all. You get stealth, and become harder to see, along with having a short buff when you de-cloak, that is ALL.
As it stands now, with this EPTA bug, any and all benefits of cloak are wholy negated because of it. Any usage is wholy negated because EVERYONE can see you from a ridiculous ways away, something that should not be possible.
I said in another thread that this would be a much more loud issue if EPTA was instead giving a huge amount of bonus stealth instead, because people would hate having to play against 'perfect cloak'.
Yes that is why I mentioned escorts - as they make up 75% of PvP and there primary ability is DPS - so if you took that away from them for 10x as much time because of a Bug - there would be massive rage. I believe there was quite a bit of Rage when the B'rel had the "perfect cloak" for awhile with the Romulan boffs - so it could fire torps without decloaking at all. But it is such a limited use Ship in PvP that it only was taken advantage of by a few KDF players. Now every Fed - there bother/sister/mom/dad/cousins/neighbours/bums on the street corner is using EptA.
well, you know, we're only following your fine example, though I will admit we're not up to your quota, fed-but y'know, smaller population...
as to the thread title; Boycotts don't work with stuff like this.
Can you imaging the Fed rage if they accidentally added a few extra 000's to the Cloak dmg resist to say 5000% - making all cloak ships indestructable?
Plus I would say this is worrisome for Cryptic since 90% of the ships being sold now have cloak.
The boycott is more of my opinion - to just avoid PvP if you are a cloaking ship that relies on that power - or at least be well aware of what you are getting into.
EPtA1 should be adding +50 StealthSight (formerly +1% StealthSight, but +1% = +50 anyway).
EPtA1 is adding +250,000 StealthSight.
It's such a simple error...that it really reflects poorly on Cryptic for them not to fix it.
When it was +1% StealthSight (which again, added +50 StealthSight), it simply added the +100 SDR. Changing the text description did not require changing that +100 SDR.
One can see where if somebody did not know how the formula worked and was making the change, they would have it +500000 SDR.
Again, the formula is: Perception = 5000 * (1 + (SDR/10,000))
If somebody ignored the (1 +) aspect of the formula, 500,000 / 10,000 = 50...the amount added.
But again, the fix is simply changing the 500,000 to 100. Wham, bam, thank you ma'am and it's fixed.
Is it bad for LoR?
From a PvP point of view, it might slow...but it won't stop Romulan sales. Cause face it, there's over a month of grind out there facing folks. They figure it will probably be fixed before then. Sure, some may hold off...but in the end, it may not even be noticeable.
It won't touch Romulan sales from a PvE perspective, but it does allow folks to see Donatra. Given that most things get fixed because of how they're exploited in PvE, is that really enough of an issue to require effort to implement the fix?
But again...it's just +100 instead of +500,000. It should have never gone live. It should have never lasted more than a single patch during the beta...
have not even gone there yet - but I heard it's a mess - every Fed is running EptA and lots of KDF to see Romulan FEDs as well.
So far the reverse does not seem to hide you - but that does not matter - because once they lite you up with no shields they can take out out before it would do any good and it only last a small amount of time - where a quick strike against you is over like that - boom.
Was wondering how the Klingons in kerrat where finding me while I was cloaked in my Adapted Battle cruiser, I uncloaked, fired back and he took off running. Glad that ship has a high hull hit point.
EPtA1 should be adding +50 StealthSight (formerly +1% StealthSight, but +1% = +50 anyway).
EPtA1 is adding +250,000 StealthSight.
It's such a simple error...that it really reflects poorly on Cryptic for them not to fix it.
When it was +1% StealthSight (which again, added +50 StealthSight), it simply added the +100 SDR. Changing the text description did not require changing that +100 SDR.
One can see where if somebody did not know how the formula worked and was making the change, they would have it +500000 SDR.
Again, the formula is: Perception = 5000 * (1 + (SDR/10,000))
If somebody ignored the (1 +) aspect of the formula, 500,000 / 10,000 = 50...the amount added.
But again, the fix is simply changing the 500,000 to 100. Wham, bam, thank you ma'am and it's fixed.
Is it bad for LoR?
From a PvP point of view, it might slow...but it won't stop Romulan sales. Cause face it, there's over a month of grind out there facing folks. They figure it will probably be fixed before then. Sure, some may hold off...but in the end, it may not even be noticeable.
It won't touch Romulan sales from a PvE perspective, but it does allow folks to see Donatra. Given that most things get fixed because of how they're exploited in PvE, is that really enough of an issue to require effort to implement the fix?
But again...it's just +100 instead of +500,000. It should have never gone live. It should have never lasted more than a single patch during the beta...
Its not intended to be +50... it was supposed to have gotten a buff like all the other etpx.
I can only assume it was intended to be +250... and some one really screwed up with the decimal point there. lol
I know they are busy but I hear Borticus is usually on top of things. And as you 2 have pointed out it's a decimal place or a few extra 0's in the coding - should only take a few minutes to fix?
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Fed Leech.
Yeah, don't think so.
Very few were doing that - EptA was not used that much - not like AtB
Now it's being spammed by every Fed(and lots of Kdf) like its crazy.
It's a exploit that half the people PvP are using now it seems - it's rampent. The rage fest when other exploits were affecting mostly Feds was so loud they could hear it around the world - like the 2 shield exploit and many others.
So what you are saying is soon PvP will be only Fed vs Fed - in Fed ships?
last nail in PvP coffin - close the Q's
It's not OP...it's broken.
I believe I stated in the OP that cloaked ships should avoid PvP until this is fixed. That's my opinion - everyone can do what they want.
But you know that is different from all the people changing their boff skill to EptA because of this exploit.
Hrmm, tends to be Bug, Wells, Mobius, Korath, Krenn, odd Recluse as is...not sure much will change there.
But the issue I have with all this is people who are willingly running EPTA 1, and they are using it ONLY to detect cloakers and abuse the broken aspect of it because it is getting them easy kills.
I don't have an issue with more cloaking tech all around, or more detection because of EPTA. That's not a problem IMO. I like needing to be more strategic about my cloaking, and such.
Yet dealing with the fact that anyone and everyone can, will, and does see cloakers from a huge way out is extremely irking.
Plus, this bug pretty much renders any actual dedicated snoopers moot until this is fixed.
Well what I mean is the new Romulan ships and the standard KDF ships.
Fine - if PvP is going to be all Fed vs Fed in Bugs/Wells/Mobius/Patrol Escort/Jem Dread - have fun- don't know how busy it will be.
Nothing a Snooper can do comes anywhere near close to what EPtA1 provides.
You could sport a Jem Deflector Mk XII, have 5x Embassy Probe Mk XII, 9 in Sensors, have both Nebby consoles, grab all the gear you want...pop Sensor Scan...and it will not come anywhere near what EPtA1 is providing in its broken state.
EPtA1 is well over 250x as powerful as everything else you could do combined.
Yup, you can run EPtA1 with no points in sensors or any other boosts to sensors and see cloaked ships 20km out. I know, because I do this. I have run EPtA for quite some time and will continue to do so, but in its current state I think it detects a lot further than it should. You cloakers are just lucky I'm not running this in my Wells Torp Boat any more....hmmm...nah.
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I seem to recall something to that effect being said.. but I want to say it was by other devs on another game. Either way, slowing down after their hype machine got all the mileage they could out of LoR would be a huge mistake. This would be their chance to show everyone that the little cryptic that never quite could was finally gone. But then that's what a businessman would think in order to grow the business, there are downsides and upsides to no one at Cryptic being the owners anymore.
If this issue with EPTA was in fact the reverse, and was giving a gigantic amount of stealth to anyone using a cloak (similar to how Romulan BOFFs originally worked), the issue would probably be WAY larger than it is now. There would probably be heaps of complaints about how any cloaked ship is undetectable, etc etc.
You have it backwards, they'd have to give cubes cloaking which players could then break with EPtA... not the other way around!
The TRIBBLE are all over the place and Im having issues following the insanity.
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1) EPtA is broken.
2) Feds are complaining about Cloaks in FvF.
3) KDF are complaining about Fed Cloaks in FvK.
4) I didn't win that big Powerball.
Hrmm, not sure #4 belongs in that list...
No the Feds are like a Fat kid who got himself locked in a candy store for the weekend - just loving it.
They are taking full advantage of it - telling others in zone chat to slot EptA to see all the cloaked ships.
Understandably, this cloak thing is a right PITA.
What I will say though, stop crying about escorts ffs, I think anyone would be pretty pi*sed no matter what ship they were in if their offensive damage got took away from them for 100 seconds.
Relax a bit, he was giving an example. You are right that anyone would be pissed if they were unable to do much of anything for a long period of time in space...which can happen with a buffed Graviton pulse. But relax on him mentioning escorts, his point more seemed to be that if it affected a more...vocal portion of the player-base, this would be a more pronounced issue.
And cloaking is just a unique tactical advantage. Nothing more, nothing less. It is far far from an I-win button at all. You get stealth, and become harder to see, along with having a short buff when you de-cloak, that is ALL.
As it stands now, with this EPTA bug, any and all benefits of cloak are wholy negated because of it. Any usage is wholy negated because EVERYONE can see you from a ridiculous ways away, something that should not be possible.
I said in another thread that this would be a much more loud issue if EPTA was instead giving a huge amount of bonus stealth instead, because people would hate having to play against 'perfect cloak'.
Yes that is why I mentioned escorts - as they make up 75% of PvP and there primary ability is DPS - so if you took that away from them for 10x as much time because of a Bug - there would be massive rage. I believe there was quite a bit of Rage when the B'rel had the "perfect cloak" for awhile with the Romulan boffs - so it could fire torps without decloaking at all. But it is such a limited use Ship in PvP that it only was taken advantage of by a few KDF players. Now every Fed - there bother/sister/mom/dad/cousins/neighbours/bums on the street corner is using EptA.
Can you imaging the Fed rage if they accidentally added a few extra 000's to the Cloak dmg resist to say 5000% - making all cloak ships indestructable?
Plus I would say this is worrisome for Cryptic since 90% of the ships being sold now have cloak.
The boycott is more of my opinion - to just avoid PvP if you are a cloaking ship that relies on that power - or at least be well aware of what you are getting into.
EPtA1 should be adding +50 StealthSight (formerly +1% StealthSight, but +1% = +50 anyway).
EPtA1 is adding +250,000 StealthSight.
It's such a simple error...that it really reflects poorly on Cryptic for them not to fix it.
When it was +1% StealthSight (which again, added +50 StealthSight), it simply added the +100 SDR. Changing the text description did not require changing that +100 SDR.
One can see where if somebody did not know how the formula worked and was making the change, they would have it +500000 SDR.
Again, the formula is: Perception = 5000 * (1 + (SDR/10,000))
If somebody ignored the (1 +) aspect of the formula, 500,000 / 10,000 = 50...the amount added.
But again, the fix is simply changing the 500,000 to 100. Wham, bam, thank you ma'am and it's fixed.
Is it bad for LoR?
From a PvP point of view, it might slow...but it won't stop Romulan sales. Cause face it, there's over a month of grind out there facing folks. They figure it will probably be fixed before then. Sure, some may hold off...but in the end, it may not even be noticeable.
It won't touch Romulan sales from a PvE perspective, but it does allow folks to see Donatra. Given that most things get fixed because of how they're exploited in PvE, is that really enough of an issue to require effort to implement the fix?
But again...it's just +100 instead of +500,000. It should have never gone live. It should have never lasted more than a single patch during the beta...
Its not intended to be +50... it was supposed to have gotten a buff like all the other etpx.
I can only assume it was intended to be +250... and some one really screwed up with the decimal point there. lol
Was wondering how the Klingons in kerrat where finding me while I was cloaked in my Adapted Battle cruiser, I uncloaked, fired back and he took off running. Glad that ship has a high hull hit point.
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I know they are busy but I hear Borticus is usually on top of things. And as you 2 have pointed out it's a decimal place or a few extra 0's in the coding - should only take a few minutes to fix?