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All cloaking ships should Boycott PvP until EptA is fixed
newromulan1
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There is no way at 10km with 800 in Stealth and 120 Aux + all Romulan Boffs + cloak traits
That I should BE SEEN and targeted - this is TOTAL BS
That I should BE SEEN and targeted - this is TOTAL BS
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@Aquitaine985
Lag Industries STO PvP Fleet - Executive
A Sad Panda of Industrial calibre.
2010: This is Cryptic PvP. Please hold the line, your call is very important to us...
Well with a 22k hull and .9 shield mod - how is my ship supposed to survive without cloak?
I was in a Match today and the Fed german premade team was spamming EPtA like it was going out of style.
They know it's broken - therefore its cheating!
Adding to the problem - you are being fired on while cloaked at their full power - and you have no shields!
Did you try to see if using epta yourself prevented them from detecting you?
Random Quote from Kerrat
"Sumlobus@****: your mums eat Iced Targ Poo"
C&H Fed banter
No - i could but With Aux at 120 and steath skill at 800 I did not think it would do much good.
Point is - it's seriously broken - making cloaking useless - my T'Varo and B'rel are now obsolete.
Who looks into these Broken game mechanics? Borticus? Can anyone let him know?
I bet it there was a bug that my sci skill knocked an escorts weapons offline for 100 seconds instead of 10 - there would be a riot going on here.
They will take their sweet time fixing all of the bugs we now experience in the game.
Fyi, there are 2 boosts from epta regarding stealth now. 1 is for stealth site, the other is too stealth (and actually 10 more than the stealth site by tool tip description). I was just curious if both are broken, or just the stealth site boost.
Random Quote from Kerrat
"Sumlobus@****: your mums eat Iced Targ Poo"
C&H Fed banter
Yes but this is "unintentional" AKA Broken boost right? - like adding a few extra 000's
They had said that the Season after LoR would be light...because everybody had been working so hard...and would be going on vacation. So yeah...outside of can't login to spend money issues...things will probably take forever (if ever) to get fixed.
Well I don't have anyone to test it right now - but in a PvP match against the Sad Pandas Just now - I tried it - they are so quick it's hard to tell if they were using it. But it seemed not to have any effect as i kept getting hit at close ranges. With them in tight formation and 2 dedicated to C and control - it's hard to know if they were just picking me up when decloaking after firing torps.
Vin Naftero@playhard88 - FED Sciencie
K'tan@playhard88 - KDF Tactical
Argento@playhard88 - RRF Tactical (FED)
have not even gone there yet - but I heard it's a mess - every Fed is running EptA and lots of KDF to see Romulan FEDs as well.
So far the reverse does not seem to hide you - but that does not matter - because once they lite you up with no shields they can take out out before it would do any good and it only last a small amount of time - where a quick strike against you is over like that - boom.
Well of course - my ships are useless - T'Varo and B'rel
I to am not pvping....
Either,
My cloaking ship is going to be unable to use its cloak and spend the match trying to EPTA them before the EPTA me... funny but hardly fun.
Or I will have to play one of my feds in a none cloaking ship. Which for sure is an option... of course if I pug it up I'm going to be on a team with 2-3 guys who are running EPTA and running off 20k to chase down that dirty cloaker. lol
Seriously though rage thread yes... but with a point. Boycotting isn't going to change squat though. Unless Cryptic gives cubes EPTA. lol
If they're not useful without cloak then you're doing it wrong.
They are Sci C\C Torp boats - helping the team by keeping the tacscorts busy - how is that doing it wrong?
Truly.
I don't mind it so much now that I know what's happening. Makes it interesting. I've had to change quite a bit to adapt to this, that is also true.
20+k detection may be excessive. Detection thru max aux and 6 skill points may be excessive.
May be excessive. I'm not entirely sure.
Still, it IS interesting.
Woah woah..sorry just read that. Why are you NOT running 2 EPTA and slotting some stealth consoles? I mean serious, is there some other engineering power you need?
But it is a broken thing - because its not like it decloaks a cloaked ship and they have shields - you can attack them when they have no shields - that is WAYY Broken!
Plus that means The Bops Need a 10K hull boost
Sure it's broken. *Really* broken...but a boycott of PvP? That's a little drastic isn't it? My guess is the problem will be fixed by the end of the week, and a boycott will have nothing to do with it.
You do know you have a solid defense bonus under cloak right?
And that anything like say a tractor being used on you to negate that just pops your shields up.
And that if your not taking the steps that a Sci oriented cloaker can easily take to offset this, imma call you a big poopy head.
And also, keep in mind, any resources dedicated to hunting YOU down should go wasted and expose them to attacks from your mates. Just don't DIE yourself. So if you concern was not being able to fulfill your role, don't worry you are. Just not the way you may have thought you would.
But if a seeker is using EPtA then they're skimping on something else, just as the cloaker would be. It would be great if they roughly cancel each other out - EPtA proliferation! Ultimtaely a team would rock up with traditional DPS ships and blow all those ships stacked with EPtA away. Rock-paper-scissors. The cloaker becomes a specialist once more instead of a required strategy. If it balances right...
I just wish they'd put in a function for spectating PvP.
There are certain Feds out there that think Battle Cloak is something other than it is, and yes - they will be or have already been rudely awakened to the realities of it. (It was funny seeing folks complaining that the cloak was broken after they died to THY/TS torps during the beta - both PvP and PvE.)
That being said though, EPtA is broken. There's no doubt about that. There's a difference between dealing with the various decloaking abilities/etc that exist in the game and dealing with something that is as broken as EPtA is...
If somebody has no additional source of SDR, then EPtA1 should provide them with 100 - taking their Perception to 5050. Compared to the standard (50 Aux, no skill/gear) 4975 Stealth...they would be able to see the person at 1.5km. Yep, just 1.5km. 5050-4975 = 75...75/50 = 1.5...with it broken the way it is, if the system allowed for it - they would be able to see the person out to 5000km.
That's not a case of being familiar with the abilities that enemy may be using. That's not a case of being familiar with the gear the enemy may be using. That's not a case of being familiar with how those abilities and gear can work together.
That's just broken. Massively broken.
Well I did not think about it that way - I have added the impluse burst and have the Singularty jump and EptE - so many many time they have been chasing me all around - so that way I am doing c/c - unless a good group came up like the pandas and one I got out of range they ignored me and took a different target.
I don't think it's drastic- everyone is starting to use an exploit - Ie they are cheating. So what's wrong with Boycotting cheaters?
Pesky Warbirds do not get the Escort's +10% Bonus Defense...
...but yep, a REBC gives +50% Bonus Defense.
Another thing to keep in mind regarding the Warbirds is how much Stealth Value one loses as their Singularity Charge increases. @5 pips, I believe it's about -400 Stealth.
5309.2 @ 0 Charge
4909.2 @ 100 Charge
Yep, -400 Stealth at 5 pips...
Am I cheating because I ran EPtA before they broke it and continue to use it now that it's broken? Keep in mind my entire build, including doffs, warpcore, sci consoles, eng consoles, deflector, and additional boff abilities revolve around EPtA. So I'm expected to change my entire build because Cryptic broke something (again)?
@DevolvedOne
What would be fun is a bunch of fleet Voquv's drain builds droping acetons, spamming siphon drones everywhere, running enegry siphon, spamming other science powers.