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iceaxe18
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It took me about an hour or so to fight of the first wave plus I was getting killed of course, and there's a total of 3 waves. I haven't finished the 2nd wave, because it takes about an hour or so. I think they should just have one wave for this mission, because currently its 3 large groups of waves.
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Commanding Officer: U.S.S. Parabellum NCC-95963-E
Simply put.. First time EVER have I chosen to SKIP a story arc instalment.
This series (esp Candle in a HUrricane) needs a MASSIVE complete Re-work.
1. Agreed... Simply WAY too many ships.... IT equates in essence to at minimum 27 to 1 (9 ships each wave by 3 waves).
2. The abilities and strength of the ships... Nothing wrong with a challenge and hard battles BUT this is idiotic.
Virtually IMPOSSIBLE to destroy, Instant jump warping to up to 15k dead behind you every 10-15 secs, Shields take forever to knock down and then seem to instantly recharge as soon as your max fire power is interrupted for more than 2 seconds...
Of course, its impossible to maintain concentrated fire when every 10 secs without failure your engines, weapons and aux are all taken offline for at least 15 seconds.
This is the most stupid and pointless mission in STO....
Great story arc, then you cop this load of TRIBBLE... VERY DISSAPOINTING....
Hopefully they will fix it.... But advice... IF you haven't gotten to it yet, SKIP IT... you will spend up to an hour+ JUST on the FIRST wave of three.
Vice Admiral Dir Sonatra, I.R.W. Kholairlha, Scimitar Class Warbird
Vice Admiral Oshin S'ree, USS Steamrunner, Steamrunner Class
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I did not feel it was challenging at all if you assign the correct Officers for each station piece a cake . Good luck
Trust me, Doesn't Help at all.
Ended up re-spec my de'derdix with all beams and two photon launchers (faster ROF and Higher DPS). Still just as annoying.
After dumping out 3 times (getting nowhere fast and decidedly annoyed by the fact that you get one or two shots in, bang ship jumps.... turn around... by the time your turned, bang ship jumps... repeat for 3 hours) Switched back to my previous ship.
Yeah it works better in respect to keeping them lined up for longer, but the lack of overall firepower (reduced weapons and bof slots) means virtually the same result, except you die more.
So far the only option for this mission (btw didn't mind the first 2 portions, just the third) is park on top of the starbase, auto target and fire on targets. Get in the car, drive down to the local cinema, by a ticket and go see a movie.... Come back perhaps you MIGHT have actually killed enough of em to continue. (Yes Sarcasm)
After finally killing the first subgroup of Wave 1 I couldn't believe looking at the counter that this wasn't a wave but instead they mean for me to kill ALL of those 3 times?!?
About half an hour later and halfway through the 2nd wave I asked a friend if there was another System coming after this one, because if so, I would've quit that Mission right there.
And yes, I admit i found them too hard!
I leveled 4 Toons to 50 and do Elite STFs regularily but those guys...
No thank you! I'm pretty sure I'll never get the "Kill 100 Elachi Ships" Accolade because now that I made Commander I'm gonna skip the rest of that story arc and never look back. Don't want to see another of those jumping jacks ever again.
And mind you, right now, most players there are seasoned veterans, but there will be those noobs that start off with a Rom Char as their very first one, and for those I'm pretty sure the Elachi, and this Mission in particular, will end their STO experience for good.
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There must be something seriously wrong with your ship setup if the first wave took you this long to defeat. It shouldn't take you longer than a few minutes! Which ship are you flying and which BOff powers have you chosen?
I did the mission with a science ship and the gravity well was a real murderer. The Harg'Peng torpedo works also nice.
I always try to get as fast out of the middle of the battle and skirt the edges, picking some smaller target or some lone stranglers in these kind of fights. It works well. The allied ships are repairing themselves most of the time, but the do keep aggro.
I can't even hear my ship firing my weapons because there are so many sounds from the hundreds of ships that the sounds of my weapons can't be played. So I would say that alone says they put way to many ships in one area.
I have not used the foundry yet but I did watch a tutorial starter video and the first thing the guy said was, BE VERY CAREFUL about putting to many ships into one battle.
I am playing this battle on normal difficulty and its near to impossible. The only way to have any chance is to continually die, respawn, die, respawn, die, respawn, die, respawn. How is that supposed to resemble anything like fun?
What were they thinking? :eek:
We had this exact same scenario in a level 60 battle against the Mad Dragon in Neverwinter Alpha testing, they had way to many spawns that the dragon continually brought into the fight. Not only that but the dragon itself was so damn difficult that it was instant death for anyone if he focused on you. We told them, we pleaded with them, and finally they did relent and toned it down so that it was possible to win the fight if you did everything perfectly, and had the perfect group, and all players had well above average skills.
I think Cryptic does this to see how hard a battle should be, and then tones it down until the complaints stop. However did they even test this? I don't think so or they would have re-adjusted everything when it was on the test server. Really poor design of the ending for an otherwise really good storyline to put in a battle that is so difficult that you would rather just surrender and let them put you in one of them pods so you can be on their side.... :rolleyes:
But yes, those Elachi ships (and their wave numbers!) really need to be toned down.
Throw the mission designer in an airlock with Tovan, please.
Romulan Praetorian Guard
Next, go for the frigate group and charge them head-to-head, that way you mess up their fore shields and when they jump, they leave those shields facing you. If you have a torp on the back of your D'deridax, you're golden as soon as they jump behind you and eat the torp. Run a torp on front and one on back and you won't have a problem.
For the last group, just take out the cruiser first since it cones, jumps, and heals the others with TSS. Easy.
Just repeat twice more and you're done, easy mission. Yes, it drags on since it is time consuming, but the little ships that are launched to "help" will keep aggro off you if you don't charge in like an idiot. All you need is TSS and HE for heals if you mess up and you shouldn't die a single time. The mission isn't broken due to difficulty, it's just boring due to being so repetitive.
I solo'd this mission on elite in about an hour and a half, not saying it wasn't a ball ache though.
You get caught in that Elachi beam attack and its one shot over, that gave me a few grey hairs.
So it basically equates to 9 -1 as you will never have more than one wave in the battle area at one time, and its pretty easy to pull one target out at a time and combat them 1 -1.
This build really helped a lot with is mission, that and I made sure not to fly too close to the other mobs in that area.
It took longer than the last mission with saving the Holograms, but all in all it wasn?t too painful.
It took around 20 min for me.
After wasting an hour and a half on a mission which is just like one of those repetitive boring missions that we all remembered and resented from the original release of Star Trek Online, I wish I could have skipped this thing. I expect a mission to be ongoing and have a set path, not just three freaking waves of 10 ships each, let alone two whole other systems that needed cleared!!!!
This mission is terrible, anyone with common sense should skip it before they get too far ahead of themselves.
I love this game, but I went into this mission hoping that it would be around 30-45 minutes (like the ~30 missions before it!!!) and it was a whopping two hours!!! that's ridiculous!!! If I was not a veteran it would have made me quit the game for a week from frustration. This is an Admiral or end-game type mission, not something you throw at a player halfway up the ranks!
I echo mostly everything previous posters have said, Too many ships, too many waves, overall it just flat out takes too long. Took me about an hour and half from start to end on normal.
Now, i've read a few commenters that say, "well, you gotta do your tactics like this" "or you should outfit this way and its easy". Well think about this, not everyone is playing with YOUR rig or style of playing the first time around. Someone mentioned earlier that for a complete newb with no help (or money to upgrade) at all, they'd get so sick of this that they would have a new negative view of the game.
I have to agree with that point of view. All they have is whatever mission rewards they have earned. They have a ship rigged in its basest form. That is how I chose to play this mission with my first rom toon. For Last Stand, there is NO WAY it can be completed with a fair amount of ease or in a timely manner. Not at least with the natural progression of using a D'Derabrick. And if anyone out there says "Oh yes it can, I did it", prove it. I want to see a Youtube video from start to finish just so you can shut me up personally.
So my recommendation is with everyone else...Either remove a wave or two, cut the number of ships in each wave, increase their jump ability cooldown, or remove the "above average" state of the mobs.
Every time I have done the last stand I have flown throught it with ease very quickly. Even the battleships don't last that long.
I would suggest that some folks need to work on their builds, rather than blame the mission, as it really is very easy to complete, and fast too. Go try the invasion of new Romulas if you want a stupidly difficult and long mission.
Ven
My character Tsin'xing
The Elachi space-jump thing is certainly a decent quirk but can get irritating when you're trying to turn in a D'dex whilst firing. D'dex is a great ship except for the turn rate - utter space cow! But, I realise that's to balance its size and fire power capabilities.
This mission seems odd because unlike the others where there was a coherent sense of plot and progression, this one just comes across as solid pew-pew. Really disjointing to the story up until that point. Once the bugs and other high-priority issues have been taken care of - could this mission please get some love?
First time I did last stand I managed to kill the first wave using a ship my captain wasnt suited for after dieing more times than should happen with a good build, saw that was just part 1 of 3 and left the station to do it's own last stand without me. Tried it again at lvl 40ish with a ship more suited to a tac captain but tissue paper hull after i pulled out to repair they killed all the small shuttles and parked themselves in 4 groups shooting the station. I pulled in at 9 kilometers and opened fire with torp spread and cannon rapid and not a single ship bothered to disengage the station and come at me. That was the first wave of 10 minutes shhoting stationary targets that wont fire back.
Second and third waves I pulled away from the station outside of agro range and waited for them to kill off the small ships and engage the station, they ignored me the same as the first wave. So best way to do the mission is to not do it until it calms the fu.. down. then shoot them while they ignore you.
My thoughts on the mission is did they TRIBBLE up and give everyone a team version? Because thats exactly what it felt like was a mission designed for 5 players. Seriou bad design if that was for single player when a small group of the weakest fighters for the first wave then a mid size group of midrange for second , followed by the last wave of a few weak, some mid and 1 or 2 battle ships would have been perfect. Not 3 waves of the same exact ships doing the same exact thing. Bad design because it is copy and paste the first wave and too many in each wave.
"I'm drunk, whats your excuse for being an idiot?" - Unknown drunk man. :eek:
I thought this thread was about the defense of New Romulas, I am stuck on that mission..
Last night I had the Command ship down to nearly blowing up and all of a sudden I look and the damn thing is fully healed! :eek: and once again surrounded by support vessels! I hate this mission with a passion though I am not to the point of skipping it yet...:rolleyes:
This one's just a TINY bit out of control.
And combining that with the decidedly sub-par combat characteristics of the ill-equipped "D'Deribrick" (good name, galahax - i like it!) that many players will be stuck flying? Not helping.
Seriously, if a mission requires a complete and total, hyper-optimized, finely tuned, ground up refit of BOFFS, Skills, equipment and powers, just to drop the difficulty below "Insane"?? That's something you reserve for an Elite STF, not something you broadside clueless mid-rank players with!!!