That is some really convoluted logic you're trying to use. Also, your grammar needs some work.
Seriously, have you never played an MMO during a major release? Even Blizzard can't keep up; the Mists of Pandaria launch was hilariously laggy & buggy due to the sheer number of peopley trying to play. This isn't new, nor is it as easy as using a P2P download (as that doesn't help with the server load of many more people trying to play at once).
Feel free to correct my grammar, I am not native english speaking. I doubt your grammar would be well in my native language.
That is some really convoluted logic you're trying to use. Also, your grammar needs some work.
Seriously, have you never played an MMO during a major release? Even Blizzard can't keep up; the Mists of Pandaria launch was hilariously laggy & buggy due to the sheer number of peopley trying to play. This isn't new, nor is it as easy as using a P2P download (as that doesn't help with the server load of many more people trying to play at once).
If that were the main problem right now, you'd have a point.
Except the main problem is that the patch downloads are proceeding at low single digit KILObytes per second
Not really related to your main point. Try addressing how this is ANY different from other MMO launches.
Most decent MMO launches these days include bittorrent patching systems that ensure there is always adequate available download bandwidth. Maybe not spectacular, but adequate.
Given that Bittorrent is open source (and therefore free) and requires minimal infrastructure (the performance boost is from the CLIENT end and doesn't have to be paid for), there's really no valid excuse for this.
Not really related to your main point. Try addressing how this is ANY different from other MMO launches.
This is not a MMO launch. STO exists already several years.
Pointing at other MMO launches that show similar problems (or pointing at MMO's which do it better) is no argument making download speeds of 1kb/sec acceptable for me.
Actually, he's not. He's not complaining about login queues, bugs, lag on the server, or any of those other patch day woes.
1. The fact that you define these issues as "patch day woes" means this is nothing new to the MMOverse. Should it be this way? of course not. He's acting like this is an egregious violation of his rights as a player.
2. His original post indicated that they should "stop this romulan stuff" because he wants "to play [his] fed." MMOs don't allow you to play on older versions of the game, so it's expected that he should have to accept the new patch.
3. Pre-patch has been available for a long time. If he is going to be this fussy about having to wait, then he should have taken the time to review the pre-patch concept prior.
It's not Cryptics fault your computer and internet service sucks. The only delay I've noticed is waiting in queue between creating 4 new characters, and having LTS give me priority my longest wait was 4 minutes. The download itself went remarkably fast for me. But the I didn't wait until the last minute to do it. I ran my launcher 3 times while the server was down and when LoR finally went live the launcher started without any delay.
I came home from work so was not able to start the launcher sooner. So because of that I have to blame myself, is that what your are implying?
Note: launcher prepatched last 5 days over 100GB on my pc, still I am looking at a very slow patching process.
It's not Cryptics fault your computer and internet service sucks. The only delay I've noticed is waiting in queue between creating 4 new characters, and having LTS give me priority my longest wait was 4 minutes. The download itself went remarkably fast for me. But the I didn't wait until the last minute to do it. I ran my launcher 3 times while the server was down and when LoR finally went live the launcher started without any delay.
It IS Cryptic's fault, because the problem is on their end, not the user's. They do not have a Bittorrent based patching system, it's direct download only, and between the prepatch not working correctly in many cases and the sheer number of people downloading, direct download isn't adequate.
People are getting patch downloads at a tiny fraction of their capability because Cryptic's using a system from the late 90s, basically.
I've personally been trying to get the patch downloaded for over five hours, because it bogged down to 56k level speeds at about 1pm.
I can image how bad it was from what you are saying. Sad that paying customers are treated that way.
Nobody said you were wrong for expecting it to work. Everybody wants it to work but the MMO concept carries the problem of aggy patch day performance. That's how it is. Should the companies do something about it? Absolutely. But why should they bother if you keep paying?
Did you play during the original release of Age of Conan or any of the WoW expansions? Those were absolute nightmares.
At least with the WoW expansions you could get the frakking patch downloaded at a reasonable percentage of your connection speed! Sure it was a nightmare when you got in, but it was at least possible to get the patching done BEFORE the server came up!
Nobody said you were wrong for expecting it to work. Everybody wants it to work but the MMO concept carries the problem of aggy patch day performance. That's how it is. Should the companies do something about it? Absolutely. But why should they bother if you keep paying?
It's because of paying customers these games exist in the first place.
So following your lead and trolling each other is the way to go?
Gutter community.
Downloading all of Age of Wushu, itself several gigs larger than the LoR update, during the middle of the day (3PM EST), took less time than downloading 2-3 gigs of the LoR update in the middle of the night (3AM EST).
It's not Cryptics fault your computer and internet service sucks.
My end is fine. I'll cap out at slightly over 2MB/s download speeds. But I can only download it as fast as its being uploaded to me. That's on Cryptic's end, and even trying to pre-patch during off-peak hours doesn't help.
"Tolerance and apathy are the last virtues of a dying society." - Aristotle
Nobody said you were wrong for expecting it to work. Everybody wants it to work but the MMO concept carries the problem of aggy patch day performance. That's how it is. Should the companies do something about it? Absolutely. But why should they bother if you keep paying?
That's actually the entire problem. People accepting the 'patch day problems' is why nobody's bothered to fix most of them.
Unfortunately for Cryptic, in this case the biggest problem right now is one that WAS solved almost a decade ago, they just haven't bothered to implement the solution(Which is extremely inexpensive).
This is not a MMO launch. STO exists already several years.
Pointing at other MMO launches that show similar problems (or pointing at MMO's which do it better) is no argument making download speeds of 1kb/sec acceptable for me.
This is a launch for the expansion. I'm patient enough that I'll just do something else while waiting for them to correct the issue. I'm in no rush to start a new Klingon character at level 1 or create my Romulan character. I can wait to do these things.
Are you seriously happy with the slow downloading? Or are you trolling me?
I'm at work, so I can't actually do anything, even patch, right now. And I never planned on being able to play when I get off tonight: I'm familiar with expansion/patch days, I know it's going to be slow downloading the last of the patch files, and difficult fighting through the queues to log in. I'll be pleasantly surprised if I can even get in to check my existing characters tonight.
This is nothing new.
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Keep calm, and continue firing photon torpedoes.
This is a launch for the expansion. I'm patient enough that I'll just do something else while waiting for them to correct the issue. I'm in no rush to start a new Klingon character at level 1 or create my Romulan character. I can wait to do these things.
Cheers that you have such a passive attitude and can just not care about how horrid the dl speed is. Some people actually have limited time and were excited to play today. Take your nose out of cryptics backside.
So you'r currently playing and posting on the forum?
It's rather obvious from the post that he's at work, but his patch will be completed and he'll be able to play when he gets home.
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
I'm at work, so I can't actually do anything, even patch, right now. And I never planned on being able to play when I get off tonight: I'm familiar with expansion/patch days, I know it's going to be slow downloading the last of the patch files, and difficult fighting through the queues to log in. I'll be pleasantly surprised if I can even get in to check my existing characters tonight.
This is nothing new.
If that makes you feel in control, I mean starting the games hours maybe day's later after Cryptic patches something so your not hampered by it?
Cryptic on the contrary states "We are also investigating reports of slow patching and are working on a resolution." admitting there is a problem which requires a solution. Acknowledging there is lacking service right now.
I would like to see a future proof solution in this case.
Yeah right, and the moon's made of green cheese, the world is flat, and republicans aren't trying to rig elections cuz they can't win honestly. :P
They're using a direct-download-only patching system straight out of the late 90s/early 2000s. There's a ton of people trying to download the patches, in part due to last-minute touch-ups, part because the prepatching malfunctioned horribly for many people, and in part because some people didn't pre-patch at all.
This excessive load has caused their antiquated and obsolete patching system to become overloaded and unable to give acceptable speeds.
If that makes you feel in control, I mean starting the games hours maybe day's later after Cryptic patches something so your not hampered by it?
Cryptic on the contrary states "We are also investigating reports of slow patching and are working on a resolution." admitting there is a problem which requires a solution. Acknowledging there is lacking service right now.
I would like to see a future proof solution in this case.
Future proof solution: Use a bittorrent based patcher.
Ah ok, I see. So he is posting during working time according to what you write. Could also be during a break I guess.
What's the difference? Most employers these days allow their employees to be on the internet, as long as they get their work done on time and aren't on TRIBBLE sites.
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
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Feel free to correct my grammar, I am not native english speaking. I doubt your grammar would be well in my native language.
If that were the main problem right now, you'd have a point.
Except the main problem is that the patch downloads are proceeding at low single digit KILObytes per second
Seriously. Get back to me after you've lived through every WoW expansion cluster****, Half of EVE's and most recently SWTORS.
THEN, and only then, can you whine about a 10 gig patch that you had every opportunity to reduce.
Been there did that played 4 hours yesterday ...zero today ... I'm not even making a romulan toon ...
also mine showed 6 gigs of patch not 50 mb ... it was faster when I uninstalled it from other pc and started over ....
Not really related to your main point. Try addressing how this is ANY different from other MMO launches.
Actually, he's not. He's not complaining about login queues, bugs, lag on the server, or any of those other patch day woes.
He's complaining about the patch download proceeding at 56k modem level speeds.
Which, frankly, he's got a point about. Downloading a game patch for over five hours because the SERVERS ARE OVERLOADED?
Ridiculous.
Most decent MMO launches these days include bittorrent patching systems that ensure there is always adequate available download bandwidth. Maybe not spectacular, but adequate.
Given that Bittorrent is open source (and therefore free) and requires minimal infrastructure (the performance boost is from the CLIENT end and doesn't have to be paid for), there's really no valid excuse for this.
Pointing at other MMO launches that show similar problems (or pointing at MMO's which do it better) is no argument making download speeds of 1kb/sec acceptable for me.
1. The fact that you define these issues as "patch day woes" means this is nothing new to the MMOverse. Should it be this way? of course not. He's acting like this is an egregious violation of his rights as a player.
2. His original post indicated that they should "stop this romulan stuff" because he wants "to play [his] fed." MMOs don't allow you to play on older versions of the game, so it's expected that he should have to accept the new patch.
3. Pre-patch has been available for a long time. If he is going to be this fussy about having to wait, then he should have taken the time to review the pre-patch concept prior.
Did you play during the original release of Age of Conan or any of the WoW expansions? Those were absolute nightmares.
I came home from work so was not able to start the launcher sooner. So because of that I have to blame myself, is that what your are implying?
Note: launcher prepatched last 5 days over 100GB on my pc, still I am looking at a very slow patching process.
It IS Cryptic's fault, because the problem is on their end, not the user's. They do not have a Bittorrent based patching system, it's direct download only, and between the prepatch not working correctly in many cases and the sheer number of people downloading, direct download isn't adequate.
People are getting patch downloads at a tiny fraction of their capability because Cryptic's using a system from the late 90s, basically.
I've personally been trying to get the patch downloaded for over five hours, because it bogged down to 56k level speeds at about 1pm.
I can image how bad it was from what you are saying. Sad that paying customers are treated that way.
Nobody said you were wrong for expecting it to work. Everybody wants it to work but the MMO concept carries the problem of aggy patch day performance. That's how it is. Should the companies do something about it? Absolutely. But why should they bother if you keep paying?
At least with the WoW expansions you could get the frakking patch downloaded at a reasonable percentage of your connection speed! Sure it was a nightmare when you got in, but it was at least possible to get the patching done BEFORE the server came up!
Show a little maturity and go post in another thread.
So following your lead and trolling each other is the way to go?
Gutter community.
Downloading all of Age of Wushu, itself several gigs larger than the LoR update, during the middle of the day (3PM EST), took less time than downloading 2-3 gigs of the LoR update in the middle of the night (3AM EST).
My end is fine. I'll cap out at slightly over 2MB/s download speeds. But I can only download it as fast as its being uploaded to me. That's on Cryptic's end, and even trying to pre-patch during off-peak hours doesn't help.
That's actually the entire problem. People accepting the 'patch day problems' is why nobody's bothered to fix most of them.
Unfortunately for Cryptic, in this case the biggest problem right now is one that WAS solved almost a decade ago, they just haven't bothered to implement the solution(Which is extremely inexpensive).
This is a launch for the expansion. I'm patient enough that I'll just do something else while waiting for them to correct the issue. I'm in no rush to start a new Klingon character at level 1 or create my Romulan character. I can wait to do these things.
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This is nothing new.
Keep calm, and continue firing photon torpedoes.
So you'r currently playing and posting on the forum?
Cheers that you have such a passive attitude and can just not care about how horrid the dl speed is. Some people actually have limited time and were excited to play today. Take your nose out of cryptics backside.
Cryptic on the contrary states "We are also investigating reports of slow patching and are working on a resolution." admitting there is a problem which requires a solution. Acknowledging there is lacking service right now.
I would like to see a future proof solution in this case.
Welcome to the internet! Would you care for some cheese with your whine ?
Ah ok, I see. So he is posting during working time according to what you write. Could also be during a break I guess.
They're using a direct-download-only patching system straight out of the late 90s/early 2000s. There's a ton of people trying to download the patches, in part due to last-minute touch-ups, part because the prepatching malfunctioned horribly for many people, and in part because some people didn't pre-patch at all.
This excessive load has caused their antiquated and obsolete patching system to become overloaded and unable to give acceptable speeds.
Future proof solution: Use a bittorrent based patcher.