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emeraldagenda12emeraldagenda12 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
Honestly, without throwing playable Borg and Borg ships in at some point...
(not that I'd want that)

How could there possibly be a way to top such a long awaited, highly anticipated free expansion such as the Romulans.


What would the next ideal expansion be for you in the next few years?
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  • johngazmanjohngazman Member Posts: 2,826 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    Honestly, without throwing playable Borg and Borg ships in at some point...
    (not that I'd want that)

    How could there possibly be a way to top such a long awaited, highly anticipated free expansion such as the Romulans.


    What would the next ideal expansion be for you in the next few years?

    Borg would not top this. Or be ideal.

    Cardassian faction would be my ideal "expansion" in a year or so's time.
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  • coldicephoenixcoldicephoenix Member Posts: 344 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    A dominion expansion perhaps?

    I've been grinning the whole day now that 21st is here :D
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  • emeraldagenda12emeraldagenda12 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    johngazman wrote: »
    Borg would not top this. Or be ideal.


    Yes, hence why I mentioned that in the first place.


    So even with the Card ship available currently from lock boxes, you think they would eventually come into play as the next big thing?
  • xlocutusofborgxxlocutusofborgx Member Posts: 1,376 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    I dont think they should top something theyve done but soley add more quality content similar to what we have in this expansion.

    but on a more personal note.. borg would be just fine, I want to assimilate the whole lot of yeah :)
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  • tc10btc10b Member Posts: 1,549 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    This expansion hasn't even been released yet and everyone is talking about the next one.....
  • threat21threat21 Member Posts: 300
    edited May 2013
    dominion prolly wont happen since all 3 canon ships that were used in ds9 are already available for anyone to use. Cardi's would face a similar problem cuz their 'work horse' ship is similarly available.

    If I had to guess at w/e the next faction would be, prolly looking at a delta quadrant species... maybe kazon splinter faction or maybe a privateer 'generic' faction that could comprise of multiple races from the delta quadrant looking to expand trade relations to the alpha quadrant. That would certainly allow for a lot of creative liberties.

    Id really really hate to see borg as playable though. some things just need to be left alone.
  • guilli88guilli88 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    You can top this expansion by :

    Fixing ship class balance
    Fixing red alerts
    Overhauling useless crafting
    Fixing many longstanding bugs
    Fixing crew mechanic
    Fixing certain Boff abilities
    Fixing ship roles (it's all about dps)
    New STF's every few months instead of years
    Elite STF versions of everything
    Fixing item balance (most consoles are useless)
    Fixing shield regen to make it worthwhile
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  • ravenechosevenravenechoseven Member Posts: 4 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    guilli88 wrote: »
    You can top this expansion by :

    Fixing ship class balance
    Fixing red alerts
    Overhauling useless crafting
    Fixing many longstanding bugs
    Fixing crew mechanic
    Fixing certain Boff abilities
    Fixing ship roles (it's all about dps)
    New STF's every few months instead of years
    Elite STF versions of everything
    Fixing item balance (most consoles are useless)
    Fixing shield regen to make it worthwhile
    ...

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  • aelfwin1aelfwin1 Member Posts: 2,896 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    I'd settle for a critical understanding on Cryptic's part about End Game , and why ppl enjoy playing the way they do VS why ppl suffer through the things Cryptic wants to force you to do .
  • mirrorchaosmirrorchaos Member Posts: 9,844 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    johngazman wrote: »
    Borg would not top this. Or be ideal.

    Cardassian faction would be my ideal "expansion" in a year or so's time.

    judging by what i seen, its likely 2 years away yet. but yes, adding a cardassian faction would be nice.

    a storyline similar to the romulans but not the same, fleshing out the deferi and breen, more on the internal workings of the current cardassian government and the true way. in the process of starfleet taking out the key players with the alpha jem'hadar and link, cardassians made away with a cloning vat and learned to create better jem'hadar that are not cold blooded killers, but ones who can think for themselves without an overriden purpose telling them otherwise, in addition the tube is gone and a longer lifespan is given. jem;hadar can become a force for change, a productive member of society.
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  • redsnake721redsnake721 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    I would love to have crafting expanded to include the ability to craft your own starships from scratch. Start with a space frame and work from there. Once your done you will have a nice 10 console "fleet" ship that you built and spec'd and designed yourself.
  • delerouxdeleroux Member Posts: 478 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    Top this expansion? What exactly is there to top? The game didn't need Romulans. Another faction was low on the list of things this game needs. As another poster pointed out, there are tons of perpetually neglected issues and improvements that could be made that would easily dwarf adding Romulans. Overhauling crafting alone could quite easily be the most substantial improvement the game could make right now, and would have certainly been 10x more desirable than Romulans.

    I like new content as much as the next player, but I guess I prioritize the content I'd like to see differently than some of the LoR fans.

    Am I supposed to get excited about the idea of starting a new character, bearing in mind the daunting, ever-expanding, mind-numbing, grind that awaits said character (dilithium, EC, reputation, gear, etc.). They couldn't seem to handle keeping two factions on an even keel with one another, now there's three... that will play it well, surely.

    At least they're revamping character traits and ship power management/+warp cores... that's probably the best thing about this update, IMO.
  • maxdragon77maxdragon77 Member Posts: 44 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    I going to tell you what tops it.

    Cardies as playable race faction. With dominion expansion and entirely new quadrants of space. It must also have all the little races of the gamma quadrant. Battling over freeing the worlds under the dominion. I would really like to see the hunters that were chasing task from ds9. After all they were dressed as power rangers and had a beam that dropped a space stations shields in seconds.

    or

    Delta quadrant expansions space zone with all the races and ships in a massive battle for control. 7 years of material here to work with. Hirogen/Undine/Caretaker/ocampa/swarm/vodwar/kazon to name a few.

    Or

    Playable liberated borg vessels with alien semi-assimilated liberated ships. Take just about any ship and assimilating it to a borg design changing its shape and appearance, but retaining a borg and original markers. Also, have a whole faction based around this and there battle to fight the regular borg.

    or

    Massive pvp expansion with capturable territory and a persistent map. Something they talked about long ago. It would interact both pve and pvp based on what was captured.

    or

    Just thought of this for edit. How about a fluidic space expansion. Surely there must be other races other aliens to create new content with.

    Just a few ideas that I think would bring a lot of players back again and again to drink the koolaid.
  • paxfederaticapaxfederatica Member Posts: 1,496 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    A massive upgrade to the Foundry editor - basically give the STO foundry all the new goodies the Neverwinter Foundry is getting.
  • sandormen123sandormen123 Member Posts: 862 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    And there always that guy...

    But he is right, though...
    ...and add to that, optimizing code just a Little bit. i have a strong feeling there is a lot of dirty coding going on here. -No I cannot 'prove it', so i will not come with examples, let's just say that playing for a long time, one tends to notice these Things.
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  • thomas12255thomas12255 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    With Mint Frosting.
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  • erei1erei1 Member Posts: 4,081 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    reyan01 wrote: »
    Iconians.

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    This. I mean, I love LoR, and I've been waiting for it for a long time, so I'm happy, but the question is "how do you top this expansion" :)
    So far, the story is running in circle. No news from the evil Iconian since a while, and the last FE (the 2400) have nothing to do with them.
    I know we will have the return of Sela some time soon, and with it, the Iconians, but I fear it will just be few episodes about Sela, and some hints about Iconian, nothing else.

    It's about time we face them. I feel like I'm playing mass effect 1 over and over again "The reaper are coming !" "we have dismissed that claim".
    Granted, knowing how ME 3 is, and particularly the ending, I understand why I would want to stay on ME1, but this is STO, it can't be worse than a god like child appearing from nowhere and a 3buttons choice ignoring about everything the whole 3 games did.

    I want to use the gateway in New Romulus to spy on Iconians, and finally learn the truth behind them. I want to make peace with the Klingon, to make an alliance against them. I want to tell the Undine we are not the true enemy. I want to know why the Tholians act like that, and if they are with or against the Iconians.
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  • tenkaritenkari Member Posts: 2,906 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    I going to tell you what tops it.

    Playable liberated borg vessels with alien semi-assimilated liberated ships. Take just about any ship and assimilating it to a borg design changing its shape and appearance, but retaining a borg and original markers. Also, have a whole faction based around this and there battle to fight the regular borg.

    so, something similar to the tal shiar adapted ships?
  • thecosmic1thecosmic1 Member Posts: 9,365 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    The next big thing needs to be the Gamma Quadrant as a post-level 50 content Expansion. They need to let us go through the wormhole and experience new things with our 3 Factions. New end-game FEs, new STFs, new Patrols, and a focus on Exploration - and a true enemy for us all in the Dominion.
    STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
  • zerobangzerobang Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    deleroux wrote: »
    The game didn't need Romulans. Another faction was low on the list of things this game needs.

    another faction is EXACTLY what STO needed... or more to the point what Cryptic needed!

    New Faction = NEW SHIPS TO SELL!

    they are running out of canon Federation Ships (there are maybe 5 more background ships left that might or might not sell well)
    KDF Ships don't make enough money with such a low userbase, no matter how you spin it, Geko even said they lost money on some Ships (which i find hard to believe).

    Cryptic is in the business of selling Ships.
    You might have noticed, there are no new Bridge Packs for a while now, not much in terms of Uniforms going on anymore either (unless it is Lobi Store per character stuff).

    Ships are the #1 money maker for Cryptic.

    So yes, look at the Legacy Pack, look at the new LockBox and then add a 5000 Zen Scimitar Pack on top of it.
    THAT is why a Romulan Faction needed to happen. $$$

    Plus the foreseeable Player influx with the announcement of a new Faction, right when the new Movie came out. <- if handled right this will be the biggest PR push the game will get since F2P.


    The question if more Factions will happen can only be answered by: will this stuff make them MONEY?

    And what Faction could sell the most Ships?

    A Dominion/Cardassian/Breen faction... well the bulk of the main Ships are here, the people who really wanted them have them by now. Also it would hurt future LockBox sales if there was a proper Faction for these Ships now, not to mention disgruntled Players who don't feel special anymore about their 500 Million EC Bug Ships and god knows how many $ some people spend on them.

    (and think about it, the Dom Faction would just end up to be like the Romulan Faction doing an Alliance with FED+KDF... so what would really be the difference here to an existing LockBox Ship? the UI? a few more DOffs and BOffs and some shiny extra items?)

    Nope, Dominion/Cardi/Breen Faction would not happen because there is too much negative fallout attached to it already, LockBoxes killed that faction already = not enough Ships that would still sell good.

    I would want one, sure, but i don't think it would make financial sense to do one and i don't see it being any bigger & better than the Rom Faction either.

    IF there is another faction EVER, it has to be something huge and abstract that is a real game changer... so yes i'd say BORG... or maybe Species 8472 (Undine)... but probably Borg.
    But Cryptic would not go for the real Borg, they would go Hugh Style, liberated Borg as Geko already said in interviews = boring, will NOT top Romulans, won't give you that Tactical Cube you want either... but maybe a bunch of assimilated Ships.

    i don't know


    i think they should really concentrate on remastering old FED + KDF Missions now (bring them to the same level of quality as the Romulan content) and improve Endgame and Systems regularly now for a year or two again.
    Not to mention that they need to get going on new and more regular Featured Episode Series
    a Level Cap increase is overdue, with all the Power Creep Endgame has gotten way too easy... or Elite versions of all PvE Maps... (which has the same result of having to redo all Maps and Missions to a new higher level) and i could use 10 - 20 new PvE Maps anyway... the old ones are old and mostly boring by now. bunch of new Rep Systems that come with it and lots of gear to buy of course.

    Foundry, PvP and DOff System also need some attention before anything like Exploration or Crafting is touched. (those Neverwinter updates need to be ported back to STO, Foundry for PvP Maps would be a neat thing to have... and the DOff System hasn't gotten much attention since Heretic left and is basically in maintenance and monetization mode).
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  • istvaanshogaatsuistvaanshogaatsu Member Posts: 134 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    I predict the next expansion will be... Borg From The Future.

    Let's face it, the Borg, that all-conquering threat from the TNG era, have become a complete joke. Most DPS players can insta-pop Borg cubes. Even tac cubes are a limited threat at best.

    The Borg have gone from "We can conquer the Federation with a single cube" to "Our ships are the equivalent of level 10 Forest Spiders from WoW." Truly a shameful fate for an enemy that was once so frightening.

    As we've seen in First Contact, when the Borg are losing, they'll cheat - and use time travel to do so. Now, the Borg know there are awesome future-Borg in the future, thanks to that one Borg from the future on Voyager. So, current-day-Borg contact future-Borg and go "Yo, help your grandpa out." Suddenly, 29th century Borg everywhere! New and awesome Borg ships! Much tougher NPCs!

    It'll be awesome.
  • ironmastodonironmastodon Member Posts: 12 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    One of the best ideas to me would be a Raiders/Rogues/Mercs faction. Think "Gambit I & II", Maquis, Pirates, Neutrals. Limitless concepts here: Ships that are more bare-bones than their Fed/KDF/Rom counterparts, but maybe more slots for customization (Turn a cargo freighter into a functional cruiser, for instance). explore the unregulated side of star trek. The seedy underbelly of the Orions, the back-alley deals of the Ferengi, the brutal mugging tactics of Nausicaan pirates, Spies, Assassins, and your average cowboy smugglers.

    We don't need a fancy sword and ancient mystic beliefs, when we have wide beam settings and Q.
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  • zalzanyzalzany Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    A real third party faction would be a great way to top it. Or maybe a new race that is you know not the abused step brother of the vulcans. I would love to see a merc/pirate faction. A new semi faction that isn't even a faction, just two races with a back story, and more detail isn't hard to top, the new content not related to the romulans could have easily been introduced before LoR in series of patches. Maybe next we could do an orion expansion, make all orions start off on there home planet, get more ships for them, but still be part of the KDF, but pretend they are a faction?

    Honestly I would play an Orion subfaction story line, and I always love an excuse to use more Orion slaver pets. They could just hold all good content patches from now on, for about a year, then release them with a back story and new ships for a race already in a faction, then sell founders packs for each one, opening the flood gates for lockboxes, and cstore stuff, heck might even make KDF popular if you didn't have to play through the eyes of a Klingon by defualt.
  • ironmakoironmako Member Posts: 770 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    I think they should use a species which has only had a small mention. This means that the devs can go to town on clthing, ship development, and missions/story.

    Does anyone remember the Tkon Empire, mentioned in ST: TNG?
  • johngazmanjohngazman Member Posts: 2,826 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    thecosmic1 wrote: »
    The next big thing needs to be the Gamma Quadrant as a post-level 50 content Expansion. They need to let us go through the wormhole and experience new things with our 3 Factions. New end-game FEs, new STFs, new Patrols, and a focus on Exploration - and a true enemy for us all in the Dominion.

    I fully support this notion. Getting back to what Trek is at heart as well as keeping the life of the game intact.

    I would like to see more Omega force content centered around an enemy other than the Borg. The Undine would make good bad guys for new STFs.
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  • blitzy4blitzy4 Member Posts: 839 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    Honestly, without throwing playable Borg and Borg ships in at some point...
    (not that I'd want that)

    How could there possibly be a way to top such a long awaited, highly anticipated free expansion such as the Romulans.


    What would the next ideal expansion be for you in the next few years?

    I expect to see a version of the hugh borg ship in a lock box eventually, maybe a sphere. I doubt playable borg though, unless you join a faction right away after ten level, I can't think of much story line they could use.

    Although I don't know if I'd like them, a Cardassian faction might be interesting. Give them a side of Jem'Hadar (outcasts probably).

    Personally, I'd like them to redo borg space with more end game content. after 50, you pretty much never go back except in STF form. They could add in a few random missions where you do something on one of the STF maps. One mission is a defend the starbase, using the STF map, a save the klingon/federation/romulan raiding party on the cure ground map, with bonuses for destroying or doing things. I defend the shipyards with the cure space map, or a tractor the damaged ships to the docks mission. Theres allot they could do with them, if they tried. All that could be tied into a rep system to buff whatever rep they're concerning.
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  • dixoniumdixonium Member Posts: 219 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    thecosmic1 wrote: »
    The next big thing needs to be the Gamma Quadrant as a post-level 50 content Expansion. They need to let us go through the wormhole and experience new things with our 3 Factions. New end-game FEs, new STFs, new Patrols, and a focus on Exploration - and a true enemy for us all in the Dominion.

    Agreed. Gamma Quadrant first, then the Delta Quadrant.
  • zalzanyzalzany Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    dark4blood wrote: »
    The easiest way to top this is to do it in 3 steps that have a clear vision:

    1. Make it possible to have a Tal Shiar operative and play the opposite side of all the missions after getting to level 50, only make 1 out of each tier special for the Tal Shiar to break the monotony, however make it possible to have a Tal Shiar Starbase near the destroyed remains of old Romulus. Also release the Hirogen and the Elachi for Tal Shiar Bridge Officers. Lastly do this with the new level cap increase by the end of the year with all new missions for all factions. December 17 would be a perfect time since student will be out of school or close to it, and Christmas buying will feed the necessary optional expansion pack that follows the free update.

    2. While One sounds like a doozie, number 2 could be put in it's place if Cryptic want more time to flesh out the Tal Shiar purpose and reasoning. This one involves fixing PVP by making the Klingon Omega Leonis Sector Block bases, Federation Sirius, Eta Eridani, and Regulus Sector Block bases, and the Iota Pavonis sector block bases attackable. This does not mean the WHOLE sector but the bases, and since KDF is so dead to most people they will have more options on where to attack while the Klingons only have to defend one home base. This will be a PVP action that does not interfere with normal use of the base but asks whether you want to enter the fleet action to defend or attack that base. This will happen once every 3 hours and will reward Ultra Rare gear that is only obtainable by the winning faction. These will be 10 vs. 10 space battles with NPCs to make it feel like a real battle and 1st-3rd place "extra" rewards will be obtainable.
    Lastly, the Side that wins the overall faction battles will get a bonus Skill points, EC, drops (rare and very rare), and fleet marks for battles in those sectors. This is a good motivation for people to join Fleets in general and does not hurt the overall play for the game if people do not want to participate in Fleets or PVP. If Cryptic can muscle up the servers I would prefer the battles to be 15 vs. 15 or 20 vs. 20 without NPCs but this can be taxing on servers and computers so it is probably not possible. This will also coincide with a level cap increase that should happen in December if Cryptic went this route instead of suggestion # 1.

    3. Last but definitely not least, release the Dominion and Cardassian factions together by only adding one sector block for the dominion that uses the Bajoran wormwhole to get to the Dominion sector of space keeping in line with cannon Star Trek universe. Make the story what you want, though making this group a little more aggressive would be nice instead of a nice broken Cardassian/Dominion group. Actually you could make this a desperate faction that have to suddenly defend against a shift in Borg tactics which target Federation allies instead of the Federation directly. Since the Federation is at war with the Klingons, they would not be able to assist the Cardassians/Dominion as much as they normally would. This would breed resentment and make set -up a True Way Faction that continues to gain power by finding anyway to defend their homeworld from the Borg, even by attacking the Federation and Klingons. This step should ONLY be done a year or two from now, because it requires alot of thought and planning, plus a WHOLE new set of ships equal to the LOR release we are getting today.


    While these may seem more "complicated" than "easy", they lay out a clear plan of action for Cryptic to follow with many options. I hope many will read, comment, and expand upon these ideas as many have asked for similar updates since launch and very recently with the new expansion on the horizon.

    Walls of text make it harder to read, I ramble a bit as well but I try to put in paragraph breaks. I did see what appears to be a paragraph separation, but no line break. It kind of forced me to skim a bit...

    What your proposing is pretty much new games, it would take a decade or so to do all that. And while some games like SWG did slowly revamp their games in chapters into something better, it has yet to succeed minus WoW that changes a tiny chunk a year so you have to stand back and go "really this can't be the same game I played x years ago." In fact quite a few of those involve steps that people kind of want before they put new stuff in period, although this expansion proves they would rather put those off to make a new expansion look good; Cough cough, editable UI to escape the red HUD, and starting at level 1 for KDF.
  • kurumimorishitakurumimorishita Member Posts: 1,410 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    Honestly, without throwing playable Borg and Borg ships in at some point...
    (not that I'd want that)

    How could there possibly be a way to top such a long awaited, highly anticipated free expansion such as the Romulans.


    What would the next ideal expansion be for you in the next few years?

    Bug Fixes? :)

    Well, to be serious again.. I'd really love to see a major "Exploration Overhaul" including Tricorders with much more functionality and lots of adventure style missions with obstacles that could be solved in different ways (than just shooting). And on top of that.. an overhaul of the sector space (no borders for example) including much more planets that could be visited.. esp. the famous ones like Betazed, Trill, Ferenginar, ..
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  • emeraldagenda12emeraldagenda12 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    And there always that guy...


    Every ship needs one.
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