So Confused - why doesn't everyone use the Chel Grett?

towani

I'm no expert, but I don't see why people still use old school Defiants, MVAE, etcs and not the Chel Grett Warship.

Now I pretty much exclusively play escorts with my Tact toon. Although the Chel Grett only has a 13 turn, with 4/4 front/back weapons and 4 Tact Slots, what's not to love? 1 Sheild Modifier, good hull...

What is it I'm missing. Do people play the others for nostalgia? Or is there something that the T4/T5 variants have that make those better than the Chel Grett?

Thanks for any feedback as I'm really at a loss on why to fly anything else currently available

charliescot25

I think most people prefer to fly Starfleet Ships.

kurumimorishita

charliescot25 wrote: »

I think most people prefer to fly Starfleet Ships.

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This + the 5th Tac console of the Fleet versions of the above mentioned ships !!!

robeasom

I fly the Chell Grett warship on my KDF tactical but now that i've done the Omega rep may switch back to my B'rel BOP retrofit

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drowrulesupreme

Well, to answer your question you would need to be aware that not everyone has access to a Chel Grett (you could only get one per character by completing the race 25 times over a 35? day period) so that severely limits numbers somewhat.
For those that do have one it is a bit of a Marmite situation... some (myself and 6 of my toons) fly one and love it... others seriously hate it because it does not fit their own playstyle/have enough hull/have enough tac skills/consoles/etc. Don't forget that it also has almost no skin customisation whatsoever (and some HATE its looks with passion).

I have sci, eng and tac toons on fed side and eng and tac toons on the KDF. I had flown the free Odyssey, assault cruisers, star cruisers, mirror patrol escorts, Raptors, mirros Qins, Vor'cha, Negh'var and almost every free sci ship you could.
I found I could change any KDF toon specced for a raptor or mirror qin straight into a chel grett and, whilst they lost a little they gained a LTCOM. sci skill (grav well is a favourite) and they had very similar turn rates, more hull and could load 4 cannons and 4 turrets quite happily.
Even those toons not really specced for an escort/raptor build (my fed sci and first toon, before I learned what the hell I was doing, flew cruisers so was a healbot) fly this beast with ease and things go BOOM a lot. I rarely die, and if I do it is in a fleet defense where the other players are level 30 or below... seriously, that hurts when you draw ALL the aggro in a destroyer
I rolled a new sci on both factions after WWonderland and have had a blast speccing them for the ships they have available (Vo-Quv and Luna) but I would have had just as much fun, I suspect, in a Chel Grett.
If the powers that be ever gave the KDF a K'Vort with the Chel Grett's stats, BOFF layout, turn and everything the same I'd buy it in a heartbeat.

baudl

personally i believe the breen cruiser is great, but there are other ships just as good and capable of delivering more dps. i use it on 3 of my 6 chars and each is different, but it also has a few minor disadvantages.*
One disadvantage of it that i see is that a hangar bay is worth more, much more than a rear weapon slot.
The lower turnrate takes practise, and can be a bummer from time to time, but it is not that big of a drawback, atleast not in PVE.

certainly among the top ships currently ingame and designed for the current PVE content, but IMHO the JH bug still beats it statwise.

*one of my tac toons still uses the 9 console guramba, simply because the javeline is that awesome in stfs and anything that is worth being oneshot. You can never dublicate that with the breen cruiser...

dirlettia

I fly it around Defera as it seems the best ship to rescue Defari in. By rescue I do of course mean put out of their misery

May not be the most effective ship but I generally fly sips for there looks anyhow.

trhrangerxml

Chel is pretty cool, science heavy Battle Cruiser. You're comparing Apples to Oranges, Feds are use to flying escorts, this is a Battle Cruiser, something the KDF are more use to. I have a tac which I'm waiting to lvl that will use the Chel and I appreciate the Battle Cruiser.

towani

Thanks for the great replies.

Really give me something to think about.

I do understand the RP / lore issue. I'm usually big on that too, but have just overlooked it for this ship cause I liked the ship so much.

As for the PVP vs PVE, I could see that too. I don't PvP, so for me (the turn rate especially) in PvE is fine.

Does the 5th slot on the Fleet variant Defiant and MVAE add a lot of firepower? I could get either now, but haven't because I assumed the diminishing returns wouldn't be worth it (and I think they are only 4/3 as opposed to 4/4 front/rear). Therefore, does the 4th back slot sort of equal out the 5th console?

sollvax

Non Canon
Non Symetrical
Non Cruiser
Non starter

a3001

I have the Chel Grett, and I really prefer my Kumari over it mostly because of the 5 fore/2 aft weapon slots and the fact that the doctrine the Kumari is built upon (kill them before they can respond) reflects my play style better than a Chel Grett could. To answer your question of "why won't everyone use it?", I think the fact that while supply is a major factor as to why you don't see them often, it is also because the ship has the "Jack of all trades, master of none" syndrome. IE: it's average at everything but doesn't shine in any one particular area.

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kurumimorishita

edalgo wrote: »

No diminishing returns on tac console stacking. That's for armor consoles. Therefore a 5th tac console boosting your DHC's in front more than make up for the loss of 1 or 2 turrets in the rear.

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This. Now add the better turn + nearly equal shield+hull stats..

towani

kurumimori****a wrote: »

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This. Now add the better turn + nearly equal shield+hull stats..

Awesome, I didn't realize that Thx!

I may have to get the T4 Fleet MVAE and take it out for a swing

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crappyturbo

Sollvax I think the Chel Gret was in DS9 as the Breen cruiser but I am not sure about that as I have not watched much of that series.

fmgtorres1979

As far as I'm concerned it's simple:

1-Don't have one

2-Having something better doesn't mean not liking something worse/different (Example: my MVAE is far faster at blowing up things, but I still like and use my Odyssey more often)

3-Federation character = Federation ship

stardestroyer001

Well in my case, I was going to have the Chel Grett, but the event ended 5 minutes before I logged on. 960 Q-Pics, still sitting in my bank for next year.

tom61sto

It was a nice little Battlecruiser Fed side, and I used it for quite some time on my Fed Eng. It got replaced by Jem'Hadar Heavy Escort Carrier, which is more survivable and can put out more hurt with it's Hangar and special Console. I rather like the look of the Chel Grett, and even ran around with a Holoprojection of it running on my Steamrunner prior to the winter event, but the JHEC looks even more awesome, IMO.

I also have one on my Fed Sci still boxed, as the Vesta line is so much more capable with Science, and the Vesta is still able to lay out quite a bit of hurt. Every now and then I think of unboxing it for a drain build, as I already have a Polarized Disruptor DHC/turret set from when I was using an Armitage on that char.

I unpacked one on My KDF Tac, but I quickly switched back to my Fleet Tor'kaht as it made a much better battlecruiser.

fluffydoorman

I'm in the boat of not having one and actually never having seen one. So I looked it up and to be completely honest I'd love to be able to fly this ship. It looks like something that'd be a great replacement for my aging Patrol Escort. As a PVE ship it looks more than capable. As a PVP...no idea as I run in fear whenever the subject get's mentioned.

Now to bend the laws of space and time and find me a Chel Grett.

smokeybacon90

It isn't a Battlecruiser. Compare the boff layout to a Neghvar or Vorcha. It is a Destroyer in the same family as the Chimera.

shookyang

I used it for a few days. Then I moth-balled it.

It is still, pretty much, fully equipped with all of the consoles that I want to fit on it.

Turns too slow for my taste.

lordmalak1

I fly it just to TRIBBLE off the fed RPers. It's total overkill for the lame PvE fed side but the more I loiter around ESD the more the RPers rage.

snoggymack22

I believe the better question is why doesn't everyone use the JHAS?

sollvax

crappyturbo wrote: »

Sollvax I think the Chel Gret was in DS9 as the Breen cruiser but I am not sure about that as I have not watched much of that series.

no that was similar but not quite the same

either way its non canon for federation and klingons

hereticknight085

snoggymack22 wrote: »

I believe the better question is why doesn't everyone use the JHAS?

Something about the 250 million EC cost? Or the fact that they are a pain in the rear to get? Yeeeah something like that.

As for OP, one of the myriad of reasons that the Chel'gret is under-utilized is simply that a lot of people just don't like the ship. I am not one of them, and most of my fleet love the thing, but it's basically a tougher, slower escort. For PvP I use it and abuse it, and enjoy it, and for PvE, it's gold. Also it has the Breen console, which is amazingly useful and useless at the same time. Soooo it's more of a users choice thing.

tpolebreaker

I do use one, on my KDF tac 8) Doesnt seem like a Fed ship to me, for purely rp reasons.

It's a fun, flexible ship, I quite like it, and the looks are unique. I dont even have particularly good gear on it, and she still does very well in any situation I put her in.

baudl

sollvax wrote: »

either way its non canon for federation and klingons

and so is pretty much any other lockbox ship and by a stretch all the non core race ships (orion, nausicans, gorn, caitan, andorian, vulcan,...)

i think the episode in which sisko captains a JH bug ship is sufficent to make the claim that all those ships actually are captured ships in a similar fashion.
while i agree that this is not really canon, i think with a little imagination and storytelling cryptic can come up with a perfectly canonic reason why we have those ships...and they do actually, one must only read the background story to the ships in question.

in the case of the breen ship: Q did it!

metalkoreking

I love the ship. It has a layout I consider perfect for my plasma build. Plus grav well. My favourite ship so far. Only wish I hadnt brought the vesta and kumari as neither are now used.

snoggymack22

hereticknight085 wrote: »

Something about the 250 million EC cost? Or the fact that they are a pain in the rear to get? Yeeeah something like that.

Meh. ECs come. ECs go. No biggie.