New Non J.J. Constitution

calumwilson98

We know that without hard negotiations with paramount we aren't going to see a J.J. connie any time soon so I think -and it's probably been proposed by others- that we get a new higher rank connie.

Personally I loved TOS and preferred it over TNG and one of the things that contributed was the constitution class cruiser which I loved and is still my favourite starfleet vessel but we could take advantage of new technology and make a redesigned connie but not the JJ Abrams one.

khan5000

i would support a redesigned connie class

defalus

There's one already, it's called the Exeter class.

khan5000

i guess i misunderstood or interpreted it as a fleet version...if there was a fleet version all my toons would be in them

defalus

There's a new design based on the Connie (Exeter) in the game already, but CBS is blocking it from being available at higher rank as a refit.

snoggymack22

I really liked the USS Excalibur. Too bad they never did anything with that.

age03

I would to

It would be better to look like this

admiralq1732

Age did you get that From UUM?

cpthardcover

If you're just talking about a new T2 variant.... I don't see it happening; we have the Excalibur and Vesper for free and the Exeter as a T2.5 from the C-store.

If you're talking about a T5 version... my understanding is that at this point it's not happening, as CBS has said that the Constitution-class is "too old" to stand with the rest of the endgame ships and Cryptic hasn't figured out how to create a fleet heavy cruiser retrofit that locks out the Constitution-class refit parts.

age03

admiralq1732 wrote: »

Age did you get that From UUM?

It might be in there but no I didn't I Daemon has a lot of good Connie models.

jam3s1701

Again really. . .

ANOTHER constitution request thread this is just a simple LOL moment

warmonger360

cpthardcover wrote: »

If you're just talking about a new T2 variant.... I don't see it happening; we have the Excalibur and Vesper for free and the Exeter as a T2.5 from the C-store.

If you're talking about a T5 version... my understanding is that at this point it's not happening, as CBS has said that the Constitution-class is "too old" to stand with the rest of the endgame ships and Cryptic hasn't figured out how to create a fleet heavy cruiser retrofit that locks out the Constitution-class refit parts.

can Exeter use Constitution parts?

snoggymack22

cpthardcover wrote: »

If you're just talking about a new T2 variant.... I don't see it happening; we have the Excalibur and Vesper for free and the Exeter as a T2.5 from the C-store.

If you're talking about a T5 version... my understanding is that at this point it's not happening, as CBS has said that the Constitution-class is "too old" to stand with the rest of the endgame ships and Cryptic hasn't figured out how to create a fleet heavy cruiser retrofit that locks out the Constitution-class refit parts.

The Vesper would make a sleek Fleet variant.So would the Excalibur. And the Exeter. All of which are modern and not old in the slightest.

f9thaceshigh

admiralq1732 wrote: »

Age did you get that From UUM?

The UUM devs have a history of stealing other peoples work without credit, I wouldn't be surprised if that's in UMM, but it definately is from Daemon Renegade Studios.

hravik

I still want the Chris Madden Enterprise F entry.

It has the feel of a Connie while looking modern, and has the size to be reasonable as a T5 cruiser.

daan2006

hravik wrote: »

I still want the Chris Madden Enterprise F entry.

It has the feel of a Connie while looking modern, and has the size to be reasonable as a T5 cruiser.

that dose look sexy JJ should have got this dude to do his JJ prise

but i could go for that being a T5 connie

hravik

daan2006 wrote: »

that dose look sexy JJ should have got this dude to do his JJ prise

but i could go for that being a T5 connie

I liked this one much better as a redress of the original. Sadly they didn't hire whoever made it.

ccmurphy

Really i don't see what everyone likes about the Conny. it's basically, a flying saucer with a neck, a cylinder, two sticks, and two smaller cylinders attached. she doesn't look remotely pleasing to the eye. same could be said for the Galaxy and the ambassador. on the other hand the Excelsior and sovereign really took look the opposite, easy to look at. But that's just my opinion.

On another note CBS has it right stopping criptic from making a tear 5 Conny. by the time of this game the ship is over 200 years old. in the time of Next gen, most Conny's were scraped, only a handful were used for Museum ships. though everyone would argue that they saw some in survive on DS9. Those Conny's were the Museum Ships rushed into active survive because of heavy ship loss. it can be reasoned these were taken back out when Voyager returned to earth with the Slipstream drive that they tested in the delta quadrant.

This drive required the use of less bulky star ships designs, eg, intrepid, vista witch are more streamlined. Bulkier ships disestablishes the slipstream corridor causing accidents like in voyager ep, timeless. even the intrepid needed heavy modifying before she could use the dive successfully.

true Starfleet might once again brake the Conny out of mothballs to face the new Klingon threat. but in long term Starfleet would never consider bring back a hole ship line based on the Conny, witch couldn't use one of the biggest weapons Starfleet now possesses, the Quantum Slipstream Drive.

ehgato

1st _ Sry for mi english.

2nd _ I really want a T5 Constitution the TOS not the one from JJ i dont like see fire on mi warp nacelles this is not star wars where a gas propeled turbine jump to ligth speed ... sry back to topic... if so many ppl flying under the starfleet flag but in a ship form tolian , jemhadar, ferengi, cardacian, mirror universe, or the future line of wells ship... what is the problem if a small group of ppl fly a T5 Constitution????? let them (and me) be happy

To much old for keep up ??? with that argument remove the mirandas , and excelciors for the game.

If the federation always was know for be capable of remarcable tech and upgrades, why the klingons have competent Brel and D7 and starfleet cant made the same upgrades and refit for they ship ?????

this is mi opinion , and hope madeit in rasonable terms sry again for any miss speling

ccmurphy

ehgato wrote: »

1st _ Sry for mi english.

2nd _ I really want a T5 Constitution the TOS not the one from JJ i dont like see fire on mi warp nacelles this is not star wars where a gas propeled turbine jump to ligth speed ... sry back to topic... if so many ppl flying under the starfleet flag but in a ship form tolian , jemhadar, ferengi, cardacian, mirror universe, or the future line of wells ship... what is the problem if a small group of ppl fly a T5 Constitution????? let them (and me) be happy

To much old for keep up ??? with that argument remove the mirandas , and excelciors for the game.

If the federation always was know for be capable of remarcable tech and upgrades, why the klingons have competent Brel and D7 and starfleet cant made the same upgrades and refit for they ship ?????

this is mi opinion , and hope madeit in rasonable terms sry again for any miss speling

As far as i know, no Klingon ship can go to transwarp, (outside sto.) The Klingon don't use the same ships from two hundred years ago but designs ships based on proven concepts and designs. increasing reactors, disturbers and so on. that's why we always see similar ship from them, while starfleet excels at making new ship designs, learning from past flaws, improving them and retiring them if need be.

When voyager came back, starfleet would have started retiring older ships, starting with the Miranda, Excelsior and so on. while moving newer ships (Galaxy, Nebula, Sovereign) without transwarp capability into the roles that the others just vacated. that being said starfleet would also look into ways to equip the transwarp drive to these newer classes, witch have seen maybe 5 to 20 years of service the most.

Look at it this way if you were running a country and you needed to protect the population would you leave it to a 200 year old man o'war or to a newer air craft carrier that could do things 300 times faster and better?

theultimatefunky

defalus wrote: »

There's a new design based on the Connie (Exeter) in the game already, but CBS is blocking it from being available at higher rank as a refit.

that's cause CBS suck and are so strict with what shud be in a STAR TREK game, and obviously decent ships arnt allowed, thanks CBS

theultimatefunky

jam3s1701 wrote: »

Again really. . .

ANOTHER constitution request thread this is just a simple LOL moment

I agree with your signature pal XD, that's what we get for letting a star wars fan direct a trek film XD

ehgato

ccmurphy wrote: »

As far as i know, no Klingon ship can go to transwarp, (outside sto.) The Klingon don't use the same ships from two hundred years ago but designs ships based on proven concepts and designs. increasing reactors, disturbers and so on. that's why we always see similar ship from them, while starfleet excels at making new ship designs, learning from past flaws, improving them and retiring them if need be.

Hi bro i dont fully agree, is true kdf upgrade thier ship but keep the desing line , BUT yuo can see the old D7 flying in the game(mi KDF have this one) and the almost same age old Brel (a few decades diference i dont remenber really) and dont forget the romulan side bird of prey, their have a fleet variant also.(this as in game reallity not a lore fact)

Some thing i dont think ever happen in this game is to be a fully 100% Star Trek lore, escort and shoot kill rule this game no exploration no real diplomacy, so thats "to me" let a hole where i can say : ey why not a T5 constitution...

ccmurphy wrote: »

Look at it this way if you were running a country and you needed to protect the population would you leave it to a 200 year old man o'war or to a newer air craft carrier that could do things 300 times faster and better?

If in my fleet have a old ship remove old wepons and engines put some new gear and put that in patrol of mi inner borders or for support of a brand new ship the upgrade is more cheap and fast than build a new one from start


on a side note i still fly mi T1 constitution in mi lvl 50 tactical in most of episodes ... yes im that crazy


again sry for mi english and i dont want offend anyone here , this is mi personal opinion

ccmurphy

ehgato wrote: »

If in my fleet have a old ship remove old wepons and engines put some new gear and put that in patrol of mi inner borders or for support of a brand new ship the upgrade is more cheap and fast than build a new one from start

the point i was making is that it's not really feasible if you have to tare the ship apart all the way to it's keel to upgrade those engines and weapons. by time you done you have already spent the man hours to build two new ships. one to tear it apart and one to rebuild.

that's basically why the Big E was decomposition this last year, to get her up to scratch with the rest of the fleet the us government would have had to basically rebuild her.

the real truth behind why the Klingon use the same ships is because the Klingon have never really gotten much love by the creators of startrek, it's easier to just use the same enemy ships then to build new ones ever week. witch they did until half way through ds9 and the start of voyager.

people just like the sound of Klingon upgrading there ships, when in reality most active service ships have to go in for a refit once ever 3 year, the max being 5 years. the war and tare on the hall just cant take longer.

snoggymack22

ccmurphy wrote: »

On another note CBS has it right stopping criptic from making a tear 5 Conny. by the time of this game the ship is over 200 years old. in the time of Next gen, most Conny's were scraped, only a handful were used for Museum ships.

CBS has the D'Kyr at Tier 5.

And in a day or so, the T'Varo will be available at T5.

Both of those ships are far older than the Constitution class vessel.

though everyone would argue that they saw some in survive on DS9. Those Conny's were the Museum Ships rushed into active survive because of heavy ship loss.

Not a single Constitution showed up in Deep Space 9.

khan5000

ehgato wrote: »

1st _ Sry for mi english.

2nd _ I really want a T5 Constitution the TOS not the one from JJ i dont like see fire on mi warp nacelles this is not star wars where a gas propeled turbine jump to ligth speed ... sry back to topic... if so many ppl flying under the starfleet flag but in a ship form tolian , jemhadar, ferengi, cardacian, mirror universe, or the future line of wells ship... what is the problem if a small group of ppl fly a T5 Constitution????? let them (and me) be happy

To much old for keep up ??? with that argument remove the mirandas , and excelciors for the game.

If the federation always was know for be capable of remarcable tech and upgrades, why the klingons have competent Brel and D7 and starfleet cant made the same upgrades and refit for they ship ?????

this is mi opinion , and hope madeit in rasonable terms sry again for any miss speling

this is from the Original Series writer's guide:

The Enterprise has a secondary propulsion
system. These are impulse power engines
(same principle as rocket power), located
at the rear of the "saucer section".

Impulse power is just another name for rocket power.

http://captainrobertapril.angelfire.com/Star_Trek_Writers_Guide.pdf

targoust

OK maybe a silly statement, but why would you have to tear it apart? (Hers the silly part) Couldn't you use a teleporter of some sort to take out the old engines and such and beam the new ones back in? Even if it was in sections I do not think it would take the time it would take to build a new ship, let alone two.

Now maybe I am wrong, with what can and cant be teleported. But a body is a crazy machine made up of living parts and that can be beamed about.

I understand people have attachment to ship classes, I love the Miranda and the Excelsior but I am from a older generation of Trek. I was never a fan of the Galaxy Class.

It seems people just want to fly around space the way Kirk did, and I am not judging that. Would people be happy with a T5 ship that shared traits of the Connie design pattern?

I might be missing some thing, and if so no reason to flame. Just thought I would add some thing to this and maybe learn some thing in return

ehgato

khan5000 wrote: »

this is from the Original Series writer's guide:

The Enterprise has a secondary propulsion
system. These are impulse power engines
(same principle as rocket power), located
at the rear of the "saucer section".

Impulse power is just another name for rocket power.

http://captainrobertapril.angelfire.com/Star_Trek_Writers_Guide.pdf

ithink u quote me for this : ..... not the one from JJ i dont like see fire on mi warp nacelles this is not star wars where a gas propeled turbine jump to ligth speed .....


key words in your sentence "same principle" and "impulse power" not warp speed like in jj movies .

And no impulse is not a another name for rocket power , the fact the same principle dont mean is the same thing both system push the ship (this is the principle) but they use realy diferent methods i wish have at hand the tecnical manual where i read that but i dont have it anymore.

but the point here is the T5 constitution

snoggymack22

targoust wrote: »

I might be missing some thing, and if so no reason to flame. Just thought I would add some thing to this and maybe learn some thing in return

What you have here is a bunch of STO fans who love flying their Excelsior as the tip top cream of the crop cruiser complaining at Constitution fans because there's no way in heck a ship THAT old could compete with a Galaxy let alone a Sovereign or an Odyssey. Even though the Excelsior tops them all.

That clear it up for you?

anazonda

If it's this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Ft7WILemLU, I would even support a T5 variant of it

stardestroyer001

I thought this topic was covered in at least a dozen different threads.

CBS banned a T5 Connie. It is illegal for PWE/Cryptic to make one.

That's all there is to it.